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Spectropop - Digest Number 264

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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this Digest Number 264:

      1. Acetates: another Carole and back to Tina
           From: "Spector Collector" 
      2. Spector web site
           From: Mark Landwehr 
      3. from Perry Botkin: Gil Garfield
           From: Carol Kaye 
      4. Ronnie 'n' Andy
           From: "Don Charles" 
      5. Re: Nitzsche
           From: "Jack Madani" 
      6. The Phil Spector Recording Sessions
           From: Mike W 
      7. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Carol Kaye 
      8. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Will George 
           From: Mick Patrick 
     10. Current poll for spectropop
           From: Spectropop Polls


Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:55:32 +0900
   From: "Spector Collector" 
Subject: Acetates: another Carole and back to Tina

Howdy, y'all, I loved the recent thread about the Carole
King demo acetates. I hope that all with knowledge,
especially firsthand, of these gems will contribute to the
conversation. Here's my $.02 worth: I have one of her
doing a nascent version of The Righteous Brothers' "Hung
on You." As has been noted consistently here (and
elsewhere) regarding other such titles, the demo, at least
in feel if not in production values, gives the familiar
version a run for its money. True to form as mentioned
previously on this list, the demo bears no artist credit;
the Screen Gems label has only the song's title and "7-667"
typed on it. Also true to form, a lead sheet is included,
although it's for the finished version of the song, not
the version heard on the disc, which is faster than the
Brothers' hit and features some different lyrics. When I
heard of the (admittedly dubious of origin but beautifully
realized) BrillTone compilation of her early output, I
hoped that this would be included on it, but unfortunately,
it's not, so, despite the wealth of great material on that
set, I can't help but wonder what's still out there.

Speaking of acetates, and reviving an old thread, I also
have one of Tina Turner performing "Everything under the
Sun." A sound file taken from the copy owned by Malcolm
Baumgart has been [heard] for a while now. However, an
A/B comparison reveals that the two discs, as is to be
expected with different acetates of the same tune, are
different mixes of the same master take. I've been
working behind the scenes with a lot of help from Phil
Chapman, Mick Patrick, and Jamie LePage to develop a
Spectropop page about the two discs, which is on-line
now at:

Now someone who knows how to do it cleaned up the sound
and digitized my acetate (I'm mp3-negative, whatever that
means), and those who are interested in hearing the
second mix [should]. Many, many thanks to all three guys
for their erudite contributions to the content of this
page, and for bringing it all into such exquisite html

I regret the lag in time since the thread about Tina's
acetate was active, but between personal issues and world
events, it's the best we could do. I know I speak for all
four of us when I say that I hope you enjoy the page --
and the music!

David A. Young

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Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:43:53 -0400
   From: Mark Landwehr 
Subject: Spector web site

To anyone who may have tried to go to my web page using
the link I listed in my last post here, I
goofed... SHOULD be

A slash in place of a period after 'home' caused the
problem...Sometimes my thumbs get in the way of my
typing. Thanks to Spectropop for pointing this out to me
& MANY thanks to all who have passed along their nice
comments - It's a labor of love that I am glad brings
enjoyment to other Spector-philes.


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Message: 3
   Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:24:04 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: from Perry Botkin: Gil Garfield

This is from Perry Botkin:

  > Gil Garfield
  > Gil Garfield's name has been coming up here recently with
  > relation to songs he wrote with Perry Botkin and Harry
  > Nilsson.  I just thrifted a very odd LP by Garfield that
  > has me puzzled... perhaps some of you Spectropoppers know
  > something about it?
  > It's apparently a vanity pressing from c. 1972 (no label
  > info on the printed gatefold sleeve, and the LP itself is
  > a test pressing) called "Love Me For My Legs! (An
  > Autobiogramaphone)."  Liner notes talk about Garfield
  > conceiving the record in a drunken hang out session with
  > Botkin and Nilsson in 1970.  The record seems to be a
  > concept piece about Garfield's family history.  Ring a
  > bell for anyone?
  > Kim

Rings a bell with me, Kim

I co-composed and arranged all the songs on the album. 
It was never released but Gil had a single on A&M. 
("Poor Butterfly").

You're right about the family history concept.  Gil and I
had known each other since we were 10 years old and I was
aware of all the stories in the album.  It was a unique
project.  Had nothing to do with what was happening in
the pop scene at the time. It gave me a chance to stretch
out a bit creatively and I really enjoyed it.

The "drunken hang out" with Nilsson happened at my pad.
Gil was at the piano improvising a piece about an
adolescent who was a great dancer but, otherwise, had
very low self esteem.  This inspired the album title
"Love Me For My Legs", which made no sense to anyone
except Harry, Gil, and me.

Ah, those were the days.

Perry Botkin

Perry's website btw is:

got some great new interesting music on CDs he's composed
and is very humble about his fine writings.  Carol Kaye

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Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:58:08 +0000
   From: "Don Charles" 
Subject: Ronnie 'n' Andy

"Spector Collector" wrote:

>Speaking of people listening to the same song and hearing
>different things, why can't I detect Ronnie Spector's
>voice on the Jimi Hendrix tune "Earth Blues"? 

Has anyone heard Andy Kim's 1971 Steed Records single "I
Been Moved?"  The female backing/duet vocalist on it
sounds an awful lot like Ronnie Spector.  Jeff Barry
can't recall who it was.  Can anyone confirm this?  The
track was probably recorded in Los Angeles.

Don Charles

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Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:49:57 -0400
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: Re: Nitzsche

aleecat writes:



Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
   Princeton, NJ  08540
"You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." 
 --Henry Cabot Henhouse III

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Message: 6
   Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:59:34 -0000
   From: Mike W 
Subject: The Phil Spector Recording Sessions

Dear Members,

I just got ahold of the 5 CD set of Session outtakes !
It's such a mind blowing experience, I can't begin to
articulate it!

It's easy to understand the extent of Spector's influence
on many a generation of producer's and musician's work
and the HARD WORK that goes into the production of any
piece of music...especially a crafted, work of
entertainment, as all of is songs are!

I'm still wading through it, enjoying every minute.

The only sad note, is that his Art is lost upon most of
us as being just Pop Music. If only he would release
these things officially, for once he would be taken
seriously for the Genius that he is!

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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:47:38 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett

> Carol, you make no mention of him on your web site. Did
> you ever play on one of his sessions?

He is listed as one of the producers I worked for on my
website (under "Biography"), yes.  I worked quite a bit
for Snuff for awhile, who lives in so. Ariz. now, see
his picture in my Library Photos), good producer yes. 
He did quite a few different kinds of dates here, the
25 Guitars albums being some of his best I think.  Good
person too, very down-home.  He had suffered a
devastating stroke quite a few years back but has made
almost a full-recovery, just a little damage in use of
one arm, he's in good spirits and good health now.  

Carol Kaye

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Message: 8
   Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:57:39 EDT
   From: Will George 
Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett

Garrett certainly produced a lot of hits, and had a
recognizable style. His trademark was adding a lush string
section to rock and roll songs. I think this practice has
also led to his not being as fondly thought of as Spector
with his wall of sound. Garrett diluted the rawer aspects
of the music in many cases. Granted, he produced some real
gems, but he also ruined some potentially great records.
One need look no further than Eddie Cochran's records to
prove that point.


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Message: 9
   Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:01:05 +0100 (BST)
   From: Mick Patrick 


Previously on Spectropop...

> "...In the mid-'60s, Harry (Nilsson) released, in
> publisher circles, a demo album of his songs,
> recorded by studio singers and distributed among A&R
> types.The version of "Paradise" from that album is
> quite good; not a voice I recognize, and a bit more
> soulful than the other versions of the song. Does
> anyone have a copy of that album? How do the credits
> read? I'd be very interested in any other info on
> this rare LP: name; number; label, if any, etc..."
> (David A, Young)

Well, David, as it happens, I'm looking at a copy of that
very LP right now. It's titled "New Nilsson Songs" and
was issued circa the late-1960s by the Perry Botkin/Gil
Garfield-owned publishing company Rock Music. Of the 13
tracks, 10 are written or co-written by Nilsson. The
album has a plainish white label, no catalogue number and,
I believe, arrived with no outer sleeve. No artists names
are listed, just song titles and their composers. I can
identify the voices of Robin Ward, Jimmie Cross, Jean
King (of the Blossoms) and Harry Nilsson himself but the
rest of the performers on the LP are unknown to me. A few
of the tracks, like "Wonderful Summer", I recognise as
being released on 45s. The remainder I presume to be
demonstration recordings. To my ears, the version of
"Paradise" contained on the LP is performed by Jean King.
Authorship of this track is listed as NILSSON.

It puzzles me that the names of Perry Botkin and Gil
Garfield are absent from the writer credits of "Paradise"
on this long-player, given that the pair owned the very
publishing company that supplied the disc.

It seems equally odd to me that, having produced it, the
name Perry Botkin fails to appear in the writer credits
on Gogi Grant's recording of "Paradise".

Incidentally, I'm reasonably certain that the girl
singing the working demo of "Stand By Him" (the song that
became "Paradise") can also be heard on the
above-mentioned "New Nilsson Songs" LP performing a tasty
Nilsson/Botkin number entitled "A Little More Rain". The
mystery girl has a great La La Brooks-type sound.

Note the absence of mind excursions contained in this


[ ADMIN NOTE: scans of the LP labels are on display in the 
Photos section of the Spectropop Members Page at:

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Message: 10
   Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:06:26 +0900
   From: Spectropop Polls
Subject: Current poll for spectropop

Enter your vote today!  This current poll will be closed soon. 

For nearly four decades, ever since 
Righteous Brothers' Unchained Melody 
first became a hit, Phil Spector has 
been listed as producer on all releases 
of the recording. However, one of the 
Righteous Brothers, Bill Medley, claims 
he actually produced the track and has 
never been given due credit. 

What do Spectropop members think? 

  o It was Phil 
  o It was Bill 
  o Bill probably was involved but that doesn't warrant producer credit 
  o Phil probably was involved but should have given producer credit to Bill 

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