________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Paradise lust From: "Phil Chapman" 2. Re: Spector song From: Frank 3. Gil Garfield From: Kim Cooper 4. Snuff Garrett From: Monophonius 5. Rolling Stones and Trade Winds From: "Kingsley Abbott" 6. Re: Brian's concerts From: Carol Kaye 7. Travis & Bob and more From: "Paul Payton" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:43:08 +0100 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Paradise lust Paul: >I can't say I rate Paradise that highly. The song doesn't >really break new ground, it's too much like a rerun of >Walking in the Rain, written to a formula. Yep, it's the same structure OK, but then sonata form has been around for a couple of hundred years. It could be regarded as new-improved "Walking In The Rain", with added imagination - but it is much more than that......... Let me put my rantings into some kind of perspective: Phil sent "Paradise" out in the 60s as a rough mix acetate to a number of friends and fans. Living in the UK, particularly industrial Manchester, walking in the rain was nothing to sing about:-) Then, out of the blue, came surf, seagulls, magical lands populated by lovers in all-year-round flowering gardens (is this L.A.?) - an utterly naive fantasy tale, narrated in song by a tremulous young woman, set in a complementary tapestry of rippling arpeggiated guitars (are you one of those Carol?) with a seductive rhythm backing vocal mostly over a tension-building pedal-bass, climaxing in a Puccinique modulation - all first time devices for a Spector/Nitzsche opus. Played at significant volume, the whole listening experience was overwhelming and infinitely more hallucinogenic than any available drug, the likes of which had not been attempted since the Hollywood excesses of Busby Berkeley during the Great Depression. This was pre "River Deep..." and the only previous 'saturation' examples were the UK-only release of "I Wonder" by The Crystals, and RB's "Hung On You". It is difficult to appreciate the impact some thirty plus years later after so many recordings in between have eclipsed the power of these. If you think the Ronettes records are a sexy chic trio backed by a bunch of musicians on steroids, then you're missing the beauty of Phil's work. His recordings are not about individual virtuosity, they are about everybody contributing to the common ecstatic goal, with Phil as studio Dalai Lama. If you assembled all the musicians of one of Phil's tracks on stage, and played the same parts, it would sound nothing like a Philles production; they are impossible balances, and can only be achieved and experienced through a manufactured medium. And that is where Phil's genius art was both ground breaking and unique: the illusory biggest and most powerful, laying down the staple of corporate rock. Back to reality: I'm not really bothered who actually wrote "Paradise", I just want to know why it was withheld. During an incident at Olympic Studios I asked Uncle Phil directly, disciple to God, why he didn't release it, but the reply was incomprehensible. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 01 13:55:08 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: Spector song Can't remember if it was mentioned but there's a recent Helen Shapiro compilation which has been released in the UK, including some never before released tracks. Among these, it includes a song called : I CAN'T SAY NO TO YOUR KISS written by Doc Pomus and Phil Spector. Any info on this song? Frank --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:34:30 -0700 From: Kim Cooper Subject: Gil Garfield Gil Garfield's name has been coming up here recently with relation to songs he wrote with Perry Botkin and Harry Nilsson. I just thrifted a very odd LP by Garfield that has me puzzled... perhaps some of you Spectropoppers know something about it? It's apparently a vanity pressing from c. 1972 (no label info on the printed gatefold sleeve, and the LP itself is a test pressing) called "Love Me For My Legs! (An Autobiogramaphone)." Liner notes talk about Garfield conceiving the record in a drunken hang out session with Botkin and Nilsson in 1970. The record seems to be a concept piece about Garfield's family history. Ring a bell for anyone? Kim --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:50:14 -0000 From: Monophonius Subject: Snuff Garrett To quote Mark Ribowsky: "Garrett was, in Phil's mind, the only L.A. producer who really mattered in Sixties rock." There is little mention of Garrett hereabouts and I'm wondering why? Let's make some comparisons. Phil produced eighteen (18) Top 10 records starting in 1958. Snuff produced twenty-two (22) Top 10 records starting in 1960. Both Phil and Snuff used Brill Building writers on a regular basis. Both were excellent at choosing hit material. Both recorded the bulk of their hits in Los Angeles. Both had a recognizable sound. Granted, Phil was the more innovative producer, but Snuff had the chops to make some pretty decent records. Take a listen to Bobby Vee's "Sharing You" or "Night Has a Thousand Eyes", Gene McDaniels' "Hundred Pounds Of Clay" or "Tower Of Strength" or "Point Of No Return." I would very much like to hear what my fellow list members have to say about Mr. Garrett. Carol, you make no mention of him on your web site. Did you ever play on one of his sessions? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:17:23 +0100 From: "Kingsley Abbott" Subject: Rolling Stones and Trade Winds Hi all I'm interested in collection any non-British first hand accounts from anyone on the list of any Rolling Stones concerts/stories/particular memories they may have. If anyone does have any thoughts to share I'd be very grateful to hear from them directly - Thanks. Now to return to our sort of pop, I noticed the brief phrase 'mind excursion' used which of course reminded me of that great Anders/Poncia Trade Winds song. Does anyone have any info on where they are and what they're doing at present? Record execs somewhere? Still writing? I'd love to hear if anyone knows. Also if there are any more Trade Winds tracks hidden away anywhere... Their (Anders/Poncia) writing and recording still is one of my very favourite sixties moments. Kingsley Abbott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:56:16 -0700 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Brian's concerts > The "Pet Sounds" concert on 2000 was almost a religious > experience for me. Yes, you get to hear the songs sung well, and get to watch the person who was responsible for getting those recordings together, the great Brian Wilson....and while he's not an entertainer (hardly any producer is), there's something about having him there that does something to everyone, I've seen that phenomena a few times already, knocks me out, even tho' the "performance" is not where it's at like what we're all used by visually by now, it's in the music, you're right. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ [ Spectropop Recommends: Brian Wilson's concert recorded live to video on June 29, 2001 in Milwaukee, WI at: http://www.hob.com/onlinemusic/concerts/concert.asp?conid=1093 ] --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:58:25 -0400 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Travis & Bob and more Ton wrote: "... by reading the postings done by the members of Spectropop I became more and more interested in oldies music I have never heard of and I like the stories behind it all." Amen - I'm thrilled to be in the present company. Maybe some of you can help - I'm interested in any bio info on Travis & Bob ("Tell Him No," "Lovers' Rendezvous," "Little Bitty Johnny") - not really sunshine pop, although they resemble a wonderful but poor-man's version of the Everly Brothers. I've inquired at several rockabilly and 50's sites with no response. They had several 45's on Sandy out of Mobile, Alabama in the late 50's to about 1960, and have been collected with the TwinTones a/k/a The Twins (more next paragraph) on a 1999 CD on Golden Sandy Records (no liner notes to speak of). To date I heard from a nephew of the one of the Twins that he'd ask his uncle to get back to be with bio info on both groups, but he never has. Any help here? The promised "more": as the TwinTones, John and Jim Cunningham wrote "JoAnn," made a hit in 1957 (?) by the Playmates (who had the superior version with that rich Hugo & Luigi production). Later, as the Twins, they made a gorgeous 45 on Lancer c. 1961-62 (an all-time fave song of mine) called "Heart of Gold" (Pomus-Shuman wrote it, I believe), whose exquisite sound IS definitely relevant to this list (think soft girl-group ballad done by double made lead). Thanks, all! Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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