________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ There are 7 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 243: 1. Re: NY or LA From: "GSPECTOR" 2. Re: Ann-Margret From: Carol Kaye 3. Ann-Margaret From: Carol Kaye 4. Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah From: Brian Chidester 5. Re: Reparata & The Delrons on RCA From: "Peter Lerner" 6. I'm Nobody's Baby Now From: Jimmy Crescitelli 7. Re:Jeff, Ellie, Carole and Gerry From: "Donny Hampton" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:35:20 -0600 From: "GSPECTOR" Subject: Re: NY or LA Hello: All, RE: NY or LA Where is the Brill Building located? I have not been able to get an answer from anyone regarding if my father was in NY or LA at the time of the attack. Gary P. Spector --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:29:05 -0700 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Ann-Margret I played guitar on her very first record date (actually a few dates with her) cut at the old RCA 1-story building, can't remember the year, but has to be between 1958-1962 or so....she was a nice young lady, we chatted and she had a lot of backing behind her - we all knew she was headed to be a big star. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:26:01 -0700 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Ann-Margaret >From Perry Botkin: I did one session with her at the then new RCA studios sometime in the late 60's with Al Schmitt producing. Not much of a singer but a very sweet lady. Don't remember anything about the session. (Time to check with Wapensky). P. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:12:30 EDT From: Brian Chidester Subject: Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah > Was this because Zip was a 'novelty hit'?, the > unrepeatable quality of Spectors production? or the > sheer beauty of Bobby Sheen, Darlene Love & Fanita James > vocals? Just thinking out a loud The total experimental way in which it was arranged. I was told by one member who played on the session that they thought it sounded so familiar, but couldn't quite make out what they were playing. Phil was giving them all directions that seemed way out of sync, but he insisted that they just play them. Needless to say, it was a shock to hear that song played in that way. The reverby surf guitar break is total genius. Just responding out loud.:-) Brian Chidester --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:10:57 +0100 From: "Peter Lerner" Subject: Re: Reparata & The Delrons on RCA I'm so proud that I have started off a really good thread on Spectropop, which I have come to late but already love. To add substance to John's analysis of the RCA singles, here are, in number order (presumably the oldest first) the singles in my collection: 8820: I'm nobody's baby now / Loneliest girl in town 8921: He don't want you / Mama's little girl 9123: Boys and girls / The kind of trouble that I love 9185: I can hear the rain / Always waitin' And I beg to differ from whoever said their Kapp 45s weren't up to much: That's what sends men to the Bowery (989) was the one which sparked my initial interest in the group - what a concept and production! Peter "John Clemente" wrote: > Hello All, > > I must say that I agree with Ian Chapman's old review of > "I'm Nobody's Baby Now". It is dead on. The bells used > in the recording are very haunting, like a death knell. > This is probably the best of the RCA recordings with He > Don't Want You and "Nobody's" flip, "The Loneliest Girl > In Town" running close seconds. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:48:26 EDT From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: I'm Nobody's Baby Now The song absolutely rocks-- her lead is perfect and heartrending. I've got this on tape, but that's it... still fab. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:24:03 +0000 From: "Donny Hampton" Subject: Re:Jeff, Ellie, Carole and Gerry Mick Patrick wrote: >It was me that badmouthed the "Goin' Back" CD to Mr >Hampton. And guess what? It was me that compiled it, too! >It was not really my intention to slag the compilation >off. I merely wanted to inform DC that Sequel's "Songs Of" >series, of which the Goffin/King volume is part, were >intended as tongue-in-cheek collections of cover versions. >That is, they were compiled with a sense of irony. > >I never imagined that people might actually prefer the De >Laine Sisters to Carole King... > >Unfortunately, there are too few versions of >Greenwich/Barry compositions in the Pye catalogue for >Sequel (now known as Sanctuary) to attempt a "Songs Of >Jeff & Ellie" compilation. However, I have been asked to >compile a CD entitled "WALLPAPER OF SOUND" featuring >British versions of Phil Spector originals. Of course, it >will contain quite a few EG/JB songs. And I can guarantee >that not one of the versions will be as good as the >American originals. Donny Hampton will adore it! Do I detect a note of sarcasm in Mick's email? I certainly never said that I preferred The DeLaine Sisters to Carole King, etc. I merely said (and meant) that the British versions were good-to-excellent. What's more, few if any of them came across to me as being "tongue-in-cheek." I dare anyone to apply that term to gems like Twice As Much's "Is This What I Get For Loving You" and "He's In Town" by The Rockin' Berries. Those kinds of performances and productions are hardly satirical. They don't justify an inferiority complex on the part of UK artists, either! What a shame that Mick can't see how excellent a compilation he and his co-producers came up with here. I'm a little bit taken aback when he implies that I don't have discriminating tastes when it comes to covers. I definitely do, and I think a CD with the following selections on it would make for very good listening: BABY, I LOVE YOU by Andy Kim BE MY BABY by Jody Miller or Cissy Houston CHAPEL OF LOVE by Bette Midler DA DOO RON RON by Shaun Cassidy RIVER-DEEP, MOUNTAIN-HIGH by The Supremes and The Four Tops DOO WAH DIDDY DIDDY by Manfred Mann LEADER OF THE PACK by Twisted Sister Need I add that all of these were hit singles? And don't forget the later, post-Spector hits written by Jeff Barry. Obviously, these don't come from the Pye catalogue, but I'm pretty sure that all of them are available for licensing. Mick and I have had a conversation about Barry-Greenwich originals vs. covers, and we simply had to agree to disagree. To me, saying you can't do a songbook because you can't get original versions isn't a legitimate excuse - especially when there are plenty of good covers to choose from. A visit to Ellie Greenwich's website (elliegreenwich.com) reveals just how many covers there are, and there are many more than she has listed. If you can't get what you think is the best version, then why not get the next best? You have to try pretty hard to totally mess up a Barry-Greenwich classic! I know it's been done on occasion, but even so... It's too bad if there aren't many Barry-Greenwich covers in the Pye catalog, but don't think for a minute this will stop me from pressuring Sequel/Sanctuary and other British and American labels to compile Jeff and Ellie songbooks. I am nothing if not tenacious! As for the Carole and Gerry compilation, I stand by what I said about it, but nobody has to take my word or Mick's about its quality. I encourage as many people as possible to judge for themselves. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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