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Spectropop - Digest Number 236

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           thru the speakers of 10,000,000 transistor radios           

There are 9 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 236:

      1. Re: Wall of Sound, "Back to Mono", and Stereo Ronettes
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
      2. A&E
           From: "Vlaovic B" 
      3. Re: A&E "Songmakers" Special
           From: Marc Wielage 
      4. Re: Joe Meek audio
           From: "Nick Archer" 
      5. Dion article
           From: "James F.  Cassidy" 
      6. Re: More Goldie
           From: Frank 
      7. Goldie/Escorts
           From: "Ian Chapman" 
      8. Dream Babes/Paper Dolls
           From: Kieron Tyler 
      9. The Liquid Room-8/19/01
           From: David Ponak 


Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:35:06 -0400
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re: Wall of Sound, "Back to Mono", and Stereo Ronettes

> produced "the wall of sound," sound.This was before
> the days of multitracking right? So, this meant
> everyone who was on a recording was there at one time
> playing together, right? Also, these were mono
> recordings right?  he was trying to actually get a
> stereo sounding mono recording. Is any of this true?

Not really, no.  Spector didnt believe in stereo. He
believed that in a stereo mix, the listener could adjust
the balance and "ruin" the effect of his hard earned
mixes. (which is true to some extent).  In mono,
everything in the spacial plane is "fixed", the way the
producer wants.

Virtually every Spector hit was done on 3 track AMPEX
multitrack equipment at Gold Star and Mira Sound in New
York. Spector did many, many premixes before the final
mono mix. This means that he would record, say, the
guitars on track one,  two basses in unison on track Two,
and 4 pianos on track three. He would then "Premix"
these three tracks to track ONE of  another 3 track tape
(on the second machine) .  This left two tracks for ,
say, strings and horns. Then THIS tape was Premixed to
the first machine, leaving 2 more open tracks, for
vocals, etc.

THIS is why the Spector "master" tapes are loaded with
hiss and sound so "fuzzy" and indistinct. On some songs,
the backing tracks are almost buried in noise and
artifacts from all the bouncing. The vocals, which were
usually recorded last, would have the highest fidelity
of anything on the tape. This, of course, was the idea,
as the Vocals would have to cut thru the murk and blast
thru the speakers of 10,000,000 transistor radios. I
think it worked pretty well!


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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:27:32 -0400
   From: "Vlaovic B" 
Subject: A&E

Geez, what a treat that documentary was. I thought they'd
talk about Spector a bit more (or at least put him into
context), but I guess he was west coast (despite his
origins).  Someone asked about the Shirelles clip.  I
recall PBS showing this entire programme about 15 years
ago.  It was taped in England circa 1964.  I do remember
the whole show was led off by a biker roaring into the
studio.  Gene Vincent, Jerry Lee and maybe Little Richard
were on it (the others I can't recall).  However the
Shirelles provided back-up vocals for some of the other
acts.  Gene Vincent looked really wicked in it.


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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:43:56 -0700
   From: Marc Wielage 
Subject: Re: A&E "Songmakers" Special

You can buy the entire 5-hour special on DVD for forty
bucks directly from A&E, and they claim it'll have a
little more material than the TV show(s), and it's also
available on VHS for about the same price. 

It's a damned good show, too.  Lotta clips I'd never seen
before -- and I wish I could see the full-length versions,


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Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:31:50 -0500
   From: "Nick Archer" 
Subject: Re: Joe Meek audio

There is a radio show called Friendly Persuasion that
streams a series of realaudio clips each week
highlighting cool and strange music. This week's show
consists of 49(!) Joe Meek audio clips. You can check
it out at

Nick Archer
Nashville, TN

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Message: 5
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:09:15 -0400
   From: "James F.  Cassidy" 
Subject: Dion article has an article on Dion at the following URL:

It includes a brief discussion of "Born to Be with You,"
his album with Phil Spector.

Jim Cassidy

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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 01 08:08:15 +0200
   From: Frank 
Subject: Re: More Goldie

>Further Goldie research reveals an industrious four other
>Genya Ravan albums recorded during the 70s, as well as
>four albums as a member of 'Ten Wheel Drive' ('69-'74)
>and three albums as a member of 'Gamma'('79-'82). Does
>anybody here know these?

I have one of these LPs "Gamma 3" which were
imaginatively titled Gamma 1 Gamma 2 and Gamma 3
Apparently there is no Genya featured Gamma was the
brainchild of Ronnie Montrose. But maybe she was part
of another Gamma ?

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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:43:46 +0100
   From: "Ian Chapman" 
Subject: Goldie/Escorts

John Clemente wrote:

> Prior to Goldie & The Gingerbreads, Genya sang with a
> male group on Coral Records in 1963 named Goldie & The
> Escorts ("One Hand, One Heart/I Can't Be True" and "Back
> Home Again/Something Has Changed")


There was an earlier Coral record from '62, billed as
just the Escorts. Title was "Submarine Race Watching"
(Coral 62336), which Goldie wrote. Flip was "Somewhere"


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Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:27:12 +0100
   From: Kieron Tyler 
Subject: Dream Babes/Paper Dolls

Hello there,

Nice to see some mention of the RPM Dream Babes CD by Ian
Chapman and Jamie LePage. First - it couldn't have been
the package it was without Ian's help. Thanks Ian. And
thanks for the nice words about the liner notes.

Yes it was a slightly schizoid collection - but that was
part of the fun (at least to me) of the UK '60s girl scene.
There was no single sound. That said, RPM are planning a
follow up which include Peanut and The McKinley's and
hopefully Sharon Tandy's Hold On. There will be more
Peanut on RPM's soon-come Mark Wirtz double CD of his

But Jamie - I really like Ria Bartok, she ain't no goat.
And she was probably singing in English phonetically with
no idea of  the meaning of the noises coming out her mouth.
Her version of I'm Into Something Good is brill.  I love
Jill and the Boulevards - it's a one-off bonkers piece of
madness sounding like no other record I've ever heard.
It's hard to see why anyone at EMI thought it would have
been a hit.

On the Paper Dolls, Sanctuary (used to be Sequel) are
issuing all their Pye stuff (within the next month I think).
It will include their LP, three singles one unrel track
(Step Inside Love) and mono versions off the 45s. Their 2
RCA singles have proved unlicensable.  The CD insert will
have interview with Tony Macaulay as well as Paper Doll
Susie Mathis. Their recollections don't often coincide.

All the best, 


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Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:46:12 -0700
   From: David Ponak 
Subject: The Liquid Room-8/19/01

The Liquid Room, hosted by David Ponak (me), airs every
Saturday night from Midnight to 3AM (PDT) on 90.7FM KPFK
Los Angeles, as well as streaming at
Please join me this coming weekend!

This past week, my wonderful co-host/guest DJ was the
Millionaire from Combustible Edison. We tag-teamed on
sets all evening. 

The Liquid Room-8/19/01

1.The Association/Come On In
Birthday (WB)

2.Ananji Kalyani/Disco Raj (DJ Me DJ You Mix)
Bombay 2-Electric Vindaloo (Motel)

3.Wayne Cochran & The C.C. Riders/Satisfaction
High & Ridin'

Japanese Alternative Music Sampler

5.Cary Berger/The New Women These
The New Women Soundtrack

6.The Bully Boys Band/Face Off
Movie Scene (Dunhill)

7.The Love Unlimited Orchestra/Somebody's Gonna Off The Man
Together Brothers (20th Century)

8.Hugo Montenegro/Porcupine Pie
Neil's Diamonds (RCA)

9.Swing Out Sister/Alpine Crossing
Somewhere Deep In The Night (Universal-Japan)

Idiots Behind The Wheel (Fuel Records-UK)

11.Money Mark/People's Party (Red Alert)
Change Is Coming (Emperor Norton)

12.The Evolution Control Committee/The Whipped Cream Mixes

13.Omar Khorshid & His Guitar/Guitar El Chark
Rhythms From The Orient

14.Morroco/El 'Tho
7" (MGM)

15.Belly Go! Go!/Jelly Belly
Belly Go! Go!

Cambodia Rocks (Parallel World)

17.Pal@pop featuring Chappie/The Never Ending Rainbows
single (Dream Machine)

18.Margo Guryan/It's Alright Now
25 Demos (Franklin Castle)

19.The Gentle Waves/Falling From Grace
Swansong For You (Jeepster)

20.Steve & Eydie/Love Is Blue
A Man And A Woman (RCA)

21.Depth Charge/Harley Davidson
Carry On Kinky Beats (Lacerba-UK)

22.Monsieur Blumenburg/Escamotage
Musique Et Couleurs (Irma-Italy)

23.The Transistors/Mission On Venus
12" (Right Tempo-Italy)

24.Anubian Lights/Starvox
Naz Bar (Crippled Dick Hot Wax-Germany)

25.Cabaret Voltaire/Sensoria
Microphonies (Virgin-UK)

26.Donovan/Writer In The Sun
Mellow Yellow (Epic)

single (Happiness-Japan)

28.Swan Dive/Bachelorette
Words You Whisper (Siesta-Spain)

29.Combustible Edison/Bluebeard (FPM Mix)
Single (Bungalow-Germany)

30.Miss Lily Banquet-My Secret Love
Grace Of My Heart (soundtrack) (MCA)

31.Nirvana (no, not THAT Nirvana)/All Of Us
The Touchables (soundtrack)

32.Mort Garson/Aquarius
Cosmic Sounds Of The Zodiac

33.Cher/A Woman's Story
7" (Warner/Spector)

34.Scott Walker/That Night
The Mad Mad World Of Soundtracks Vol. 2 (Universal-Germany)

35.The Isley Brothers/Hello It's Me
Beautiful Ballads (Epic)

36.Hydroplane/Embassy Cafe
The Sound Of Changing Places (Drive-In)

37.Grace Jones/I've Done It Again
Nightclubbing (Island)

38.Tony Bruno/I'm Feeling It Now
Easy L (Epic)

39.The Peddlers/On A Clear Day
Three In A Cell (Columbia)

40.Norm Burns/The Human Breakdown Of Abusurdity
The Human Breakdown Of Abusurdity

41.The Kane Triplets/Theme From Mission Impossible
7" (UA)

42.Stu Phillips w/Lynn Perry/Cream

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