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THE PERSONALITY SOUND of the SIXTIES
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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Stereo Ronettes on CD
From: RICK
2. Peggy Santiglia
From: Ron Buono
3. Re: Flowerpot Men & Cryan Shames
From: "David Parkinson"
4. Fab Flowerpot Men
From: "Ian Chapman"
5. Cryan Shames & Flowerpot Men
From: "Kingsley Abbott"
6. Cryin' Shames & The Flowerpot Men
From: Brian Chidester
7. "Captain Of Your Ship"
From: "Phil Chapman"
8. latter-day Reparata
From: "Spector Collector"
9. Delrons (and others) on TV
From: "Ian Chapman"
10. Mystery session
From: Aleecat
11. Dee Dee sets the records straight
From: "Spector Collector"
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:42:42 +0900
From: RICK
Subject: Stereo Ronettes on CD
I'd like to trade/buy a cd format copy of "Presenting
the Fabulous..." - my vinyl has said: "No More!" (I'm a
born-again Spectorphile from way back: this is one
FANTASTIC site...)
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:03:46 EDT
From: Ron Buono
Subject: Peggy Santiglia
Billy writes:
> BTW: Was Reparata in the (studio?) group Dusk, which
> had a 45 on Bell in 1970-1 called "Angel Baby"? I just
> scored a copy last month and the vocalist sounds
> awfully familar!
Hi Billy-
I believe that it was Peggy Santiglia of The Angels who
fronted the group "DUSK". They made several recordings on
the Bell label during the 70's including the excellent "I
hear those church bells ringing".
BTW- Peggy also was a member of the group "The Delicates"
(Unart), and "Jessica James & The Outlaws" (Dynovoice).
Ron
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:54:53 -0700
From: "David Parkinson"
Subject: Re: Flowerpot Men & Cryan Shames
Richard Havers wrote:
> The voice of Tony Burrows has featured on many hits,
> both before and after the Flowerpot Men. He was in First
> Class, The Ivy League, Edison Lighthouse and The Pipkins,
> he was also one of the backing vocalists on the early
> Who singles. Throughout the 70's and 80's he also sang
> on numerous advertising jingles.
In the Varese bubblegum series (5 separate CDs), one
is entirely dedicated to The Voice Of Tony Burrows and
the dizzying array of pop projects he was associated
with:
1. Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse
[Macaulay/Mason]
2. Every Little Move She Makes - Tony Burrows [Cook/G/M]
3. Have You Had A Little Happiness Lately - Domino [Arnold/M/M]
4. Beach Baby - First Class [Carter/Shakespeare]
5. In The Bad Bad Old Days - Tony Burrows [Macaulay/MacLeod]
6. Take Me In Your Arms - Edison Lighthouse [Macaulay/MacLeod]
7. My Baby Loves Lovin' - White Plains [Cook/Greenaway]
8. The Disco Kid - First Class [Carter/Shakespeare]
9. Melanie Makes Me Smile - Tony Burrows [Macaulay/Mason]
10. Better Fly, Butterfly - Touch [Arnold/M/M]
11. Summertime - West End Boys [Burrows/Martin]
12. Dreams Are Ten A Penny - First Class [Carter/Shakespeare]
13. In A Moment Of Madness - Flowerpot Men [Cook/Greenaway]
14. United We Stand - The Brotherhood Of Man [Hiller/Simons]
15. Girl You've Got Me Going - Tony Burrows [Arnold/M/M]
16. Never Gonna Fall In Love Again - Magic [Carmen]
17. Gimme Dat Ding - Pipkins [Hammond/Hazelwood]
18. Too Many Golden Oldies - First Class [Carter/Shakespeare]
I think that his is the quintessential AM radio voice
of the early 70s, hands down.
David
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:04:55 +0100
From: "Ian Chapman"
Subject: Fab Flowerpot Men
Jamie said:
> But oh, Brian - You're gonna love the Flowerpot Men!
> The two principals, John Carter and Ken Lewis, were
> formerly the core of the British vocal group Ivy
> League ....you need a good Flowerpot Men comp too! An
> essential Mellotron drenched summer-of-'67 psyche pop
> classic - Let's Go To San Francisco!!
If you can still find a copy, there was a superb comp
issued on Summit in '97, "The Very Best of the Flowerpot
Men". Apart from A and B sides of the first three
singles, there's also unreleased tracks, some of which
were to be included on a never-completed album. As you
might expect, the vocals are excellent and there really
isn't a duff track, with something to please most
Spectropoppers. "White Dove" is awesome - harks back to
Carter & Lewis' Ivy League days, with added cavernous
Spectorish echo. Fans of Beach Boys will recognise
familiar little touches throughout the tracks - the intro
to "Heaven Knows When" briefly borrows from "Good
Vibrations", while "Am I Losing You" invokes "Caroline No"
in the verse. The surf-influenced, summery "Silicon City"
gives an indication of the First Class "Beach Baby" hit
that was to come later. What was probably to be the
"concept" piece of the album is the anti-war marathon
"Children of Tomorrow", which runs at 7' 57, starts with
children's voices in conversation, includes a verse sung
in French, and ends with a baby crying! Apart from a
different intro and retrospective lyric, "Let's Go Back
To San Francisco Pt. 1" follows the same pattern as the
hit. But the real surprise is "Let's Go Back To San
Francisco Pt. 2" which kicks off unmistakably with their
Ivy League track, "Funny How Love Can Be" with the lyrics
replaced by the group occasionally singing "Remember.....",
then it segues into "Back to San Francisco" once more.
You're right Jamie - everybody needs a good Flowerpot Men comp!
Ian
Full track listing:-
Let's Go To San Francisco Pts 1 & 2
A Walk In The Sky
Am I Losing You?
Man Without A Woman
You Can Never Be Wrong
Piccolo Man
Mythological Sunday
Sweet Baby Jane
Journey's End
Let's Go Back To San Francisco Pt. 1
Silicon City
Busy Doin' Nothing
White Dove
Cooks of Cake and Kindness
Gotta Be Free
Heaven Knows When
Brave New World
Children of Tomorrow
Let's Go To San Francisco Pt. 2
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:37:48 +0100
From: "Kingsley Abbott"
Subject: Cryan Shames & Flowerpot Men
Interesting to see the Shames being discussed - leaving
aside the obvious confusion between the Chicago group
and the UK one, the US group certainly did more than
just the rather weak version of "Sugar and Spice". They
managed three albums, amongst which there are some fine
summery soft sunshine pop that I reckon would be very
greatly enjoyed by members of the group - nearest
reference would probably be The Critters soft sound.
Search out tracks like "I Was Lonely When", "It Could Be
We're In Love" (both written by group member Jim Fairs
if memory serves correct) and a nice version of "Up On
The Roof". Their third album was called "Synthesis",
and was their attempt at more adventurous pop. Go for
the second one if you should get a choice!
Coincidence time - I am just writing notes for a new
Flowerpot Men CD that will arrive on Britain's RPM label
in about a months time. It will (I think) be called
"The Psychedelic World Of The Flowerpot Men" and will
feature twelve tracks of their best, but often in
extended versions. John Carter has often put out the
tracks in various forms, but tries each time to make
them different/better for collectors. In the States they
were just known as The Flowerpots - maybe the vintage TV
imagery of the original puppet characters was deemed too
subversive! "Let's Go To San Francisco" (Parts 1 & 2)
featured JC on lead, Ken Lewis, Tony Burrows and Robin
Shaw on BVs. Neil Landon didn't come on board for that
project until a little later. The new compilation
should go down well with Spectropoppers, specially if
you don't have any of their stuff. BTW If anyone could
track down a US only cover of "LGTSF" on Roulette by
Brit group The Summer Set, I would LOVE to get some/any
sort of copy of that one. The Summer Set were an
excellent four piece harmony group around London and
environs circa 1965/6 that I remember seeing at the
famed Marquee club once. They cut a good cover of Brian
Wilson's "Farmer's Daughter".
Kingsley Abbott
PS. I love Reparata too (World Artists and RCA stuff),
and some video does exist - in Stockholm at least. I
think I may have it somewhere. It was a later oldies
type show with one of the later, post Captain line-ups.
There was also a second album in U.K. called I think
"Rock And Roll Revolution" (Atco?) with some somewhat
weaker versions of girl group classics and a smattering
of other things. Not worth top dollar unless you're a
completist.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:11:31 EDT
From: Brian Chidester
Subject: Cryin' Shames & The Flowerpot Men
To Everyone Who Answered,
Thanks for the information. I have all of the
Zekley-produced 45's, most of the cover versions that
artists/groups did of his songs and all of the LPs that
he worked on. I have to say that I was just shocked to
see those groups in the same sentence as that of Zekley,
which is why I enquired.
Thanks Again,
Brian
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:48:25 +0100
From: "Phil Chapman"
Subject: "Captain Of Your Ship"
John wrote:
>Well, I guess "Captain of Your Ship"
> did bubble under int he US and made the Top 20 in the
> UK
One stunt that helped "Captain Of Your Ship" do so well
in the UK was the so-called 'feud' between Reparata & The
Delrons and The Paper Dolls, who had "Something Here In
My Heart" charting at the same time. I can't remember the
exact details, but it was managed well enough to make the
national newspapers. Those were the days!
April 1968 "Captain Of Your Ship" peaked at no.13 the
same week "Something Here In My Heart" hit no.12 - that
was a nail-biting 'Top Of The Pops' I can assure y'all:-)
Another minor contribution to the song's popularity was
that in March 1968 the last two defiant offshore pirate
radio stations, which had been the voice of young Britain
since 1964, were cut loose, towed over to Holland and
impounded.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:40:10 +0000
From: "Spector Collector"
Subject: latter-day Reparata
With all the talk about Reparata and/or the Delrons
here lately, I thought I'd bring up some latter-day-era
items to keep the conversation going. In 1974, a year
before her marginally successful solo single "Shoes,"
already discussed here, Reparata cut a solo remake of
the group's smash "Whenever a Teenager Cries," once
again with John Abbott arranging and with Steve and
Bill Jerome producing. I only have this on a DJ copy
with the same song in stereo on one side and in mono on
the other; does anybody know what was on the flip,
assuming that there was ever a commercial release of
the disc (North American Music Industries 2024)?
In 1976, RSO released a Barry Manilow-and-Ron
Dante-produced LP called "Beauties in the Night" (#3002
in the U.S.) by an all-female disco trio called Lady
Flash, of which Reparata was the caucasian third (the
other members were Monica Burruss and Debra Byrd).
Manilow co-wrote about half the album, including the
brilliant doo-wop tribute (its disco leanings
notwithstanding) "Street Singin'." Most of the disc
utilizes their voices equally and/or harmonically, but
each woman has one track on which she solos; the
spotlight falls on Reparata on "Arms of Mary." Two
singles were released, also in 1976: "Street
Singin'"/"Hypnotizin'" (the latter not included on the
album) on #852, and "Never Gonna Let You Get
Away"/"Nowhere to Run" on #864.
Soon after that, Reparata went out on tour with some
Delrons on the oldies circuit (I say "some" because I
don't know whether any or all of the originals were
involved.) This group cut an album called "On the Road
Again" to sell at those shows. J. D. Doyle taped this for
me years ago, and I've never seen the cover. It must be
incredibly rare, but I must say that it's also incredibly
bad. The instrumentation sounds truly elementary-school
level, and every aspect, from performance to production,
runs the gamut from amateurish to perfunctory.
I'm guessing that this is from 1978, due to its
inclusion of that year's big hit for The Pointer
Sisters, "Fire," whose treatment Reparata et al attempt
to lift note for bravely approximated note. Apart from
that, it's remakes of "Whenever a Teenager Cries" and
"Tommy," lots of girl group staples, "So Young," and
"Why Do Fools Fall in Love," along with a halfhearted
stab at (or near) country.
All that said, I'd love to own a copy of the LP, not
least of which reasons is the many Spector songs
covered on it. Any of y'all have one you could scan so
I could at least see it?
David A. Young
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:22:50 +0100
From: "Ian Chapman"
Subject: Delrons (and others) on TV
Tony said:
>Sorry, no Reparata footage though--does any exist??.....
Yep, Tony, they lip-synched to "Captain of Your Ship"
for the German 60s show "Beat Club". It was screened on
UK TV about 10 years ago when they ran a series of Beat
Clubs. Most of the shows were from the 70s, but the few
black & white late-60s shows had a some real gems. Gene
Pitney with "Heartbreaker" and "Something's Gotten Hold
Of My Heart", Madeline Bell - "I'm Gonna Make You Love
Me", PP Arnold - "Angel Of The Morning", Sandy Posey -
"Single Girl", the Association - "Time For Livin'" and
Billie Davis with "Make The Feeling Go Away" and her
version of "Angel of the Morning" are just a few that
come to mind. And fans of German 60s girls would have
appreciated the fab Marion Maerz performing her English
version of "I Go To Sleep".
Ian
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 06:52:45 -0000
From: Aleecat
Subject: Mystery session
A certain New York baroque rock genius composer
producer who had hits in the sixties is back in the
studio doing a reunion album of his once well known
chart hit act. All the original members are
participating. This man, once acclaimed by Leonard
Bernstein, has been compared to Brian Wilson in the
talent dept., and is considered his East Coast
counterpart.
I can say no more, but I have a feeling there's going
to be some very good music coming from these sessions.
They said it wouldn't/couldn't happen. NEVER say never !
Aleecat
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:06:05 +0000
From: "Spector Collector"
Subject: Dee Dee sets the records straight
A while back, I mentioned the Web site of Dee Dee
Kenniebrew, saying that I'd asked her some questions and
would report back here if she answered. Well, she has, and
I'm just sorry that the thread about "Please Be My
Boyfriend" had not yet started at that point or I would
have asked her for any insight she may have about that as
well.
First, although I know that her given name is Dolores, I
asked her whether the 1966 Loma single by Delilah
Kennebruew ("Bright Lights"/""We'll Be Together," #2049)
was really by her. Here's what she said:
"The girl might be a relative. She more than likely is. I
never heard of the song or the singer though."
I also asked her whether she recalled The Crystals ever
having a go at two tunes, and she dispelled two
longstanding rumors in her response. The group was long
believed to have recorded the original version of Phil's
composition (with Anders and Poncia) "Mary Ann," released
by Honey Love and the Love Notes on Cameo 380, but she
says no. They were also said to have had the first shot at
"It's My Party," but that's not the way she remembers it.
I thought it was on Spectropop, but maybe it was somewhere
else, but in the time between my asking Dee Dee about this
and getting her answer, I believe that I learned that it
was actually Darlene who got as far as the studio with it
for Phil, or nearly anyway. Corroboration please? Here are
Dee Dee's comments on these songs:
" 'Mary Ann,' I never heard of. 'It's My Party,' we never
got a chance to record. Carole King brought it to us
before she even had the verses finished. She presented it
to us as a ballad. We were going to do it but Quincy Jones
got hired by Lesley Gore's dad I am told (he is a rich man
you know in the garment industry; ladies undergarments, I
understand) and it got quickly recorded by Lesley Gore and
released before we were able to!" That's the latest; if
anyone wants to write her about "Please Be My Boyfriend,"
you can reach her at [her email address]; I don't want to
bother her again this soon myself. If you do write her,
please post the answer here!
David A. Young
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