________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Girl Groups - Fabulous Females That Rocked The World The book by John Clemente about the Girl Groups phenomenon Reviews, photos, artist line-up and how to order. http://www.spectropop.com/gg/girl.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 11 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. #224 From: Tony Leong 2. Re: Flowerpot Men/Cryan Shames From: Stewart Mason 3. Re: Flowerpot Men & Cryan Shames From: Richard Havers 4. Cryan Shames From: Dan Hughes 5. Re: Flowerpot Men and Cryan Shames From: LePageWeb 6. Bessie Banks -- Go Now From: John Clemente 7. Dusk From: John Clemente 8. I Have A Boyfriend From: Jimmy Crescitelli 9. Reparata / Ellie From: John Frank 10. New/Old Cowsills Reissue From: Billy Spradlin 11. Breakfast w/ George Harrison- 97.1 KLSX From: "Chris Carter" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 01:54:24 EDT From: Tony Leong Subject: #224 Excellent digest!! Yes, Mr. Ron B., I love Reparata and the Delrons' "ballroom version" of "I Have A Boyfriend"!! Reparata and the Delrons do great cover versions (Mr. John Clemente mentions "Bye Bye Baby" in his book "Girl Groups: Fabulous Females That Rocked The World" -- GO BUY THAT BOOK if you are a girl group NUT like me!!!). And John, when did the Chiffons record that Hoagy Lands cut? Oh, my ultimate killer Reparata track is still "Do Wah Diddy"--Brooklyn rawness at its' best!! I feel left out here though, I've NEVER HEARD "I'm Nobody's Baby Now". Can't someone just put out a Reparata and the Delrons' 2-cd set?? They have enough material!! I need to have a clean copy of "I Can Hear The Rain" on CD. Out of curiousity, was Reparata's song "Heaven Only Knows" the same song that the Shangri-las sang? For those interested Delrons fans, Mary (Reparata) just recently retired the group, and she lives in Queens. Shelia is a school principal in Seattle. Carol died years ago. Nanette lives in Queens, and she sings with a local band. And Lorraine.....who knows??? And wow, I can imagine what went on in the studio with the Shangri-Las--the girls (esp. Mary and Betty complaining about hating what they were singing, the girls cursing (at Ellie??), and gum cracking?? Just kidding--people I have spoken to said that they were regular teenagers, not the stereotypical thuggish chicks that most journalists (not my buddy John Clemente) make them out to be. And Mary was sophisticated and gracious at the Brill Building documentary screening. Lastly, there's lots of Neil Sedaka stuff in the documentary too...there's something in this documentary for everyone of you guys that posted in this digest!!! (Sorry, no Reparata footage though--does any exist??)..... Tony Leong --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 19:02:32 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Flowerpot Men/Cryan Shames Brian asked: >Who are these groups? A little info please? Are they >Zekley projects? Nope, Gary Zekley had nothing to do with either band. The Flowerpot Men were a trio of UK session singers featuring the great Tony Burrows (Edison Lighthouse, etc. etc.) who had a 1967 UK hit with the harmony-heavy lite-psych "Let's Go to San Francisco." They later relased one single as Friends before splitting. The Cryan Shames were from Chicago and sounded like a more garagey version of the Byrds. They had a minor hit with a version of "Sugar and Spice," which I think the Searchers had the biggest version of. S --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 08:24:17 +0100 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Flowerpot Men & Cryan Shames Hope this helps Flowerpot Men The Flowerpot Men's Let's Go To San Francisco was a classic instance of recording a song and then forming the group to promote it. Written by John Carter & Ken Lewis, they hired a studio, recorded the backing track and brought in Ivy League members Tony Burrows (b.14.4.43 Exeter) and Neil Landon (b.26.7.44 Kirdford Sussex) to sing the vocals. The voices of session vocalists Robin Shaw (b.6.10.43 Hayes Middlesex) and Peter Nelson (b.10.3.46) were also added, released on Decca's Deram label and it reached No.4 in the late summer of '67. The excellent follow-up Walk In The Sky, failed to register, as did two other singles. The voice of Tony Burrows has featured on many hits, both before and after the Flowerpot Men. He was in First Class, The Ivy League, Edison Lighthouse and The Pipkins, he was also one of the backing vocalists on the early Who singles. Throughout the 70's and 80's he also sang on numerous advertising jingles. Neil Landon was born Patrick Cahill, after the demise of the group he became the vocalist with Noel Redding's Fat Mattress. Robin Shaw re-emerged in the chart in the summer of '74 when he teamed up with Tony Burrows, John Carter, Spencer James and others to become First Class and have a hit with Beach Baby. Deram DM 142 Let's Go To San Francisco (Parts 1 & 2) 1967 4 Deram DM 160 A Walk in The Sky/Am I Losing You? 1967 Deram DM 183 A Man Without A Woman/You Con Never Be Wrong 1968 Deram DM 248 In A Moment of Madness/Young Birds Fly 1969 Cryin' Shames Originally known as The Bumblies, this five piece R&B group came from Liverpool. The nucleus of the Bumblies was John 'Ben' Bennett guitar, George Robinson (b.26.12.46) bass and Charlie Gallagher (b.17.3.46) drums. These three were joined by Phil Roberts (b.28.4.47) organ, and Joey Keen (b.6.11.47) harmonica/vocals. All of them were born in Liverpool, as was their last recruit Paul Crane (real name Charles Crane b.30.7.47), who was a vocalist with a local blues group, The Protests. The Bumblies built a big following on Merseyside, before they decided it was time to get a recording contract. On the spur of the moment, after a gig at the Orrel Park Ballroom, they drove their old van through the night to London. Their destination was the studio of renowned record producer Joe Meek, they arrived at six in the morning, and none too surprisingly got a negative response. Undaunted they waited until late afternoon when Meek, who admired their determination, gave them an audition. They sang The Drifters Please Stay; it so impressed Meek he recorded it there and then. Meek 'sold' the recording to Decca and the band were signed, although Meek was not happy with his new protegees calling themselves The Bumblies, so the Cryin' Shames were born. The story goes that the group were travelling to the studio on the tube one day and elderly lady disgusted at the group's appearance, remarked "The kids today are a cryin' shame!" To promote the band their name was written with a teardrop as the apostrophe. As Please Stay was released, the group were unsuccessfully wooed by Beatles manager Brian Epstein, preferring to sign with the equally eager Walker Brother Management, in retrospect they felt, a bad decision, and one which affected the singles ultimate chart position; Please Stay peaked at No.26. Before recording a follow up Richard 'Ritchie' Routledge (b.27.11.49) guitar/vocals replaced Bennett. Nobody Waved Goodbye a song that Meek was adamant they release missed completely and in the late summer of '66 the group split up. Gallagher went to run a taxi company, Keen worked in electronics, Roberts ran a coach hire business and Robinson moved to the West country; where he continued to play part time. Crane and Routledge continued and brought in bass player Brian Norris (b.13.11.48 York), the husband of Beatles fan club secretary Freda Kelly, and three members of another Liverpool group. Pete Byrne (b.9.2.46) organ, Paul "Whiskey" Commerford (b.3.10.48) drums and Michael Espie (b.4.11.48) guitar; they were all Liverpool born. This line-up, billed as Paul & Ritchie and The Cryin Shames, recorded a third single, a version of George Shearing's '49 million seller September In the Rain; it failed to chart. Robbie Hewitt had replaced Norris on bass by the time Meek committed suicide in February '66. Crane and Routledge then argued, which resulted in the latter leaving; ex Masterminds member Joey Molland (later to join The Uglys/Badfinger) replaced him. Routledge moved to America, playing pedel steel guitar; he returned to the UK and is thought to have a recording studio. Gradually the group fell apart, Commerford ended up playing drums for Tangerine Dream. Crane and Molland joined John Lawson and Walker Brother's drummer Gary Leeds to form Gary Leeds and Rain. They released a Scott Walker produced single, Spooky, it suffered from the release of the original by Classics IV in the same week; there was also the little matter of a high court injunction which prevented Gary Walker and Rain from performing Spooky on TV. Rain were massive in Japan, they had 3 major albums, 03 top 3 singles and Crane was voted No.5 top world male singer. Rain lasted until '68; Crane then re-recorded Please Stay with Scott English. English wrote Brandy for Crane, which he unfortunately refused to record, although English did produce Come Day Go Day Man which come out in '68 as Charles Crane. Crane moved into the business side of music, In the mid 70's he teamed up with Radio Luxembourg DJ Mark Wesley to record as The Philadelphia Flyers. Later still he recorded as Leroy Brown, releasing One Woman Man and I'll Keep Holding Out. Crane also recorded again as The Cryin' Shames, with I'm Gonna Tell The World on the York label, Over My Head on Logo and as The Outsiders with Autumn In The City. During the 80's he worked in music publishing and his company looked after a singer/songwriter called Harriet. Les Crane died sometime at the end of the 1990s, Joey Keen is also dead. George Robinson is still playing in Liverpool as a duo called Class of '59. Decca F 12340 Please Stay/What's New Pussycat 1966 26 Decca F 12425 Nobody Waved Goodbye/You 1966 Decca F 12483 September in the Rain/Come On Back 1966 Best wishes Richard -- --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:31:06 -0500 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Cryan Shames The Cryan' Shames were a Chicago group; I saw them several times in the late 60's when they did concerts at my college (Purdue). They had one chart hit: Sugar and Spice. They're still going strong, and would love to play at your bar mitzvah: ---Dan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:45:41 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Re: Flowerpot Men and Cryan Shames Brian Chidester wrote: > Who are these groups? A little info please? Are they > Zekley projects? There is a small site on Gary Zekley linked here: http://www.spectropop.com/go2/producers.html He had nothing to do with either of the groups you asked about. But oh, Brian - You're gonna love the Flowerpot Men! The two principals, John Carter and Ken Lewis, were formerly the core of the British vocal group Ivy League - you need to get a good Ivy League comp, Brian, because they were the original group to (write and) record My World Fell Down! As producers, Carter/Lewis did a bunch of British girl group records too, Just about the time Gary and Curt were making magic on the West Coast, on the other side of the world Carter and Lewis were recreating themselves as the Flowerpot Men. You need a good Flowerpot Men comp too! An essential Mellotron drenched summer-of-'67 psyche pop classic - Let's Go To San Francisco!! I also highly recommend John Carter's Denmark Street demo collection on the UK West Side label (also the label for Girls Will Be Girls, co-compiled by our own Mick Patrick). Carter's Denmark Street demos are so well produced, it's like a collection of long lost recordings by a non-existent British Invasion band - plus you get demos of several tracks that ended up on Flowerpot Men too. Go now and buy these - knowing you are into harmony pop a la Beach Boys and Millennium - I guarantee them. As to the Cryan Shames, Dave could have meant the Cryin' Shames, and if so, it's Joe Meek. It should only follow - They're out of this world! All the best, Jamie n.p. Little Bit O' Soul - Music Explosion --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:20:07 -0400 From: John Clemente Subject: Bessie Banks -- Go Now Hello All, In answer to the question about Bessie Banks in the Brill Building/Red Bird entry, yes she did record in the 50s as Toni Banks (real name Bessie White). Her husband, Larry Banks, who wrote "Go Now" was in the Four Fellows, a group from Brooklyn, NY who had a hit with a song called "Soldier Boy" on Glory Records in 1955 (#4 R&B). Bessie sang with the group when they were Three Guys and a Doll prior to becoming the Four Fellows. The Four Fellows back her on "You're Still In My Heart/Johnny The Dreamer on Glory in 1957. She and Larry were married on stage after a performance in Baltimore at the Royal Theatre. I'm sure the Moody Blues version of "Go Now" netted the family some royalty money. Larry Banks passed away about 8 years ago. This info comes from Jim McGowan's website (http://soldierboy.50megs.com/McGowan/fourfellows.htm) He is an original Four Fellow. Regards, John Clemente --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:01:44 -0400 From: John Clemente Subject: Dusk Hello All, In regard to Dusk on Bell Records, the lead singer is Peggy Santiglia of The Angels (My Boyfriend's Back), formerly of The Delicates (Unart/UA/Roulette) and, aka Jessica James. Regards, John Clemente --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:13:59 EDT From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: I Have A Boyfriend Fon-chif-fon-FON! When I was 14 a cousin brought over a box of 45s for me to hear, in 1970. In one night I heard "I Have A Boyfriend," "Then He Kissed Me," and "He's Sure the Boy I Love." Since I had no memory of those particular songs >from 1963, suffice it to say... my life was changed. 'nuff said. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 21:16:57 -0700 From: John Frank Subject: Reparata / Ellie Hello All: Billy G. Spradlin said: > BTW: Was Reparata in the (studio?) group Dusk, which > had a 45 on Bell in 1970-1 called "Angel Baby"? I just > scored a copy last month and the vocalist sounds > awfully familar! To which John repled: Mr. Clemente can comment on whether Reparata was in the group, but it's my understanding that the lead vocalist for Dusk was none other than the absolutely GREAT Peggy Santiglia. Dusk had a sizeable hit with "I Hear Those Church Bells Ringing." Back to Reparata, though. It's always struck me as unusual that they recorded for so long and for so many labels all throughout the 60s and into the 70s without charting at all nationally after their initial outings on World Artists. (Well, I guess "Captain of Your Ship" did bubble under int he US and made the Top 20 in the UK; and "Shoes" scratched the bottom of the Top 100 in '75...) Their songs were adventurous and varied all throughout this period. I think I have all of them on vinyl or tape -- and some of their early and later ones on CD. It's the middle period, though that just fascinates me, though: "You Can't Change A Young Boy's Mind," their remake of the Paris' "Always Waiting", their version of "I Can Tell," (was it theirs or Lesley's that was the original?) "Saturday Night Didn't Happen," "(That's What Sends Men To) The Bowery," "Weather Forecast," "Your Life Is Gone," "I've Got an Awful Lot of Losing You To Do," and, of course, the exquisite Barry-produced "I'm Nobody's Baby Now." This last must be on my Top 10 -- and why wasn't it on the national Top 10, I wanna know! And I also wanna know where's the double-CD or Boxed set? In fairness there were so many labels involved, it would probably take a gaggle of lawyers to get it out. I'll just make my own minidisk, I guess. The first volume of "Where The Girls Are" (liner notes by someone called Mick Patrick -- where have I heard that name?) gives up the amazing and, amazingly, never-previously released "Look In My Diary." ---and Vlaovic B said: > I just picked up the Varese Red Bird compilation...the > other I dunno....A sort of Ellie Greenwich vocal doing > a rather Lesley Gore-ish type track called (I assume), > 'There could never be another boy like mine'. Any ideas? John's 2 cents: It's her version (maybe the demo?) of "Another Boy Like Mine" which was on the Dixie Cups' "Chapel Of Love" album -- may have been one of their B-sides, too. I much prefer Ellie's take on it. Vlaovic again: > Other stuff I'd like to know...Did Bessie Banks ever > record anything else. Moi: She released at least 7 singles from 1964 to 1976 on 7 different labels, two of which were Red Bird subsids: Tiger and Blue Cat. The others were Wand, Volt, Verve, Spokane and Quality. Wonder what the story is behind such a superb singer not being held on to and "developed" by one label... John Frank --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:21:41 -0000 From: Billy Spradlin Subject: New/Old Cowsills Reissue Just a quick note to 60's Pop fans that Polygram has issued the "The Best Of The Cowsills - The Millennium Collection" as part of their budget "20th Centruy Masters" series. It's a different comp than the old MGM "The Best of The Cowsills" LP that was re-issued on CD by Polydor in the mid-late 80's (or the truncated budget version with a different cover on Rebound). I only paid $8.99 for it at Best Buy and it contains several songs that haven't appeared on CD before: Most of All (the group's first single on Philips) The Rain, The Park And Other Things (Mono 45 mix) We Can Fly (Mono 45 mix) In Need Of A Friend Indian Lake Poor Baby Hair The Prophecy Of Daniel & John The Divine (Six-Six-Six) (Single version - The strangest thing they ever did, and it made it to #75 on Billboard) Silver Threads And Golden Needles (stereo) II X II Love American Style (mono) When Everybody's Here - Bill Cowsill Its a nice collection, if you can find it under 10 bucks. I wish it was a bit more comprehensive, but its nicely done, well mastered, and it does fill in some gaps. (Now if we can only get their great 1968 "We Can Fly" album on CD!) Bill --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:44:29 -0700 From: "Chris Carter" Subject: Breakfast w/ George Harrison- 97.1 KLSX Breakfast with the Beatles - 97.1 KLSX - FM George Harrison Special / 8/5/01 Guest Host - Chris Carter Hare Krishna...Welcome to my George Harrison Special Playlist. I would like to thank in-studio guest engineer/producer Ken Scott, who was extra cool... and I appreciate all your votes at www.fmtalki.com I hope this won't be my last Playlist from Breakfast with the Beatles, as there is nothing I'd rather be doing on a Sunday morning....(and I mean that!).....Thanks for all the support.....and EXTRA Special THANKS to all my guests who helped make these shows so fun > Brian Wilson, Denny Seiwell, Don Novello, Ken Scott, Matthew Sweet....and lets say a prayer for Deirdre for starting such a great show. Cheers, Chris ...........................> Wah Wah - All Things Must Pass Devils Radio Cloud Nine 87 Sue Me Sue You Blues Living in the Material World 73 Do You want to Know a Secret? (George vox) Feb 11 3/ Please Please Me Don't Bother Me With the Beatles - Sept. 12 63 I Need You HELP! Feb. 15 /16 65Tk.5 You Like Me Too Much HELP! - Feb. 17 65 It Don't Come Easy DEMO for RINGO Mo 1977 Outtake orig slated for 1978 George Harrison LP. Issued on a 6 CD Promo set celebrating Mo Ostin's tenure @ WB in early 95 Think For Yourself Rubber Soul Nov. 8th 65 Taxman Revolver Outtake I Dig Love All Things Must Pass Soul Milk Sea From George's living room w/ all 4 Beatles. When We Was Fab Cloud 9 Interview Disc trk's 1 into 2 I'd have you Anytime Re-Mastered Tired of Midnight Blue Extra Texture 75 Here Comes the Moon George Harrison 79 Here Comes the Sun Abbey Road July 7,8 / Aug. 15/19..69 It's All Too Much -Long Version Blue Jay Way Early Mix (No Strings) Ken S. 2E Within You Without You - MONO/Sgt. Pepper Only Northern Song New Yellow Sub Re-master Martin Lewis Phones In w/ Salon.com report on George Harrison story The Art of Dying In Studio Guest - Ken Scott~~~~~~~~~~~ Savory Truffle MONO/ Trident Oct. 68 Ken S. E Let it Down Demo 70' Ken Scott re- master Not Guilty Ken Scott/ More takes than other track ! While My Guitar Gently Weeps MONO Ken S. E Piggies - From George's living room w/ all 4 Beatles. (Esher) My Sweet Lord 2000/ Ken S. E 2000 Apple Scruffs - All Things Must Pass Nowhere at All - Acoustic Demo 70' --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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