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More Things R Changing info From: Mark Landwehr ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:17:16 EDT From: Brian Chidester Subject: PF Sloan / Sandy Salisbury > The PF Sloan release looks really interesting. It is worth getting. P.F.'s voice can be annoying sometimes, but the songwriting is always enjoyable and you get an interesting glimpse at this artist in transition. Not that there is a mix of Fantastic Baggies and Grass Roots demos or anything. I just mean that this was the time he made the transition. Not an essential disc, though. Sloan essentials, as far as I'm concerned, include the Fantastic Baggies compilation on Sundazed, the Rhino solo "Anthology" and the 2CD Grass Roots "Anthology." > I quite enjoy other songwriter "demo" releases that > have come out these last few years - John Carter > Denmark Street demos are wonderful and the Second Sandy > Salisbury album, Falling to Pieces, despite the > rudimentary production value, may be better than his > actual studio album - the material is that strong. That was a studio album? I thought that the Sandy Salisbury disc "SANDY" was just a collection of 45 releases and some extra tracks? I never knew that it was supposed to be an album. It wasn't released in 1969. Did Sandy say that Curt had wanted to release an album, but it never came out? Whatever the case, I do agree that "Falling To Pieces" is a much better listen than "SANDY." Best, Brian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:45:58 -0400 From: "David Ponak" Subject: P.F. Sloan/Red Bird I highly reccomend the P.F. Sloan "Child Of Our Times" demo collection. Though these are termed "demos," most of the tracks are very much arranged and produced. (Ala the Roger Nichols/Paul Williams demos from the late 60's) It's great to hear the demos of familiar songs such as "You Baby" and "Another Day, Another Heartache," and there's many great songs I've never heard before. As for the Red Bird compilation, the sound quality is quite good (much better than the UK 4 disc box), but aside from that, I'm don't have the expertise to dissect it. If you don't already have the tracks, it's well worth having. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:18:39 +0000 From: "Donny Hampton" Subject: Re: Two from Varese I agree that the Varese compilation is conservative. The Taragon Red-Bird compilation of a few years back covered much of the same territory, but it sold practically zilch. Cary Mansfield at Varese wanted to give the concept another chance. He felt it needed to concentrate exclusively on girl group material in order to be marketable. Hence, The Girl-Group Sound. I fear Jamie has judged it a bit hastily, though. There are some unique points of interest. The Dixie Cups' "Gee, The Moon Is Shining Bright" is presented in its remixed single version on CD for the first time I'm aware of. Also, Roddie Joy's R & B charter "Come Back, Baby" is included, as well as her cult hit "He's So Easy To Love." None of the British compilations I know about have Roddie Joy's Red-Bird tracks. Finally, there are two hidden bonus selections by Ellie Greenwich and The Jellybeans at the end of the CD, both previously unissued in the United States. If it sounds like I'm touting this release, I have to plead guilty. You see, I wrote the liner notes! Wanna know the real story about those seagulls on The Shangri-Las' "Remember (Walkin' In The Sand)?" Buy it. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:59:46 -0800 From: Steve Stanley Subject: The Sisters- Gee Baby Gee: Del-Fi Girl Groups > Subject: Del-Fi's Sisters > > Hey group, can anybody shed some light on this?? On the > Del-Fi CD, there are several tracks by an Hispanic > girl-group called the Sisters. The majority of their > vocals were done in a pleasant 3-part harmony unison. But, > they had 1 BEAUTIFUL unreleased tune called "His Name Was > John". Actually, only 1 of the girls is singing (there > are no background vocals at all). Does anybody know > which member is singing that great song? Was it Ersi > Arvisu who later went on to sing for a spell with El > Chicano (I've never heard their material, but in a book, > I did see a photo of her performing with them at the > Apollo in NYC). And can anybody tell me what the members > of the Sisters are doing now? > > Tony Leong Hi Tony, I'm the guy that wrote the liner notes for "Gee Baby Gee: Del-Fi Girl Groups" and unfortunately, we weren't able to locate Ersi or any of the other Sisters. At last I heard, she lived in Arizona. The previously unreleased "His Name Was John" is a perfect example of the unexpected thrill that can be found working on reissues. You just never know what pops up on tapes as you research for a project. I couldn't believe how cool that track was when I heard it. Fortunately, "Gee Baby Gee" compiles all of their known studio output. The next reissue from the vaults is the long awaited "Tripping on the Sunset Strip." This release comprises mid-sixties (mostly pre-psychedelic) Mustang Records sides, including a previously-unreleased-on-CD Bobby Fuller production. Basically the last stuff Bob Keane worked on before folding Stereo-Fi in 1968. On another subject, has anyone seen the new Evie Sands "Anyway that You Want Me" Japanese CD reissue around? Steve Stanley --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:03:51 -0700 From: bryan Subject: Re: Del-Fi's Sisters I've actually written to Tony Leong off-list, but thought some other folks on this list may like to read about Del-Fi's group The Sisters. Steve Stanley, who I believe is also on this list, wrote the liner notes and was the person hugely responsible for Del-Fi's Gee Baby Gee compilation coming out in the first place. Steve and I used to work at Del-Fi. Below I've pasted into text a rough draft of the chapter on The Sisters, written by Bob Keane for his book The Oracle Of Del-Fi: The Bob Keane Story, which he's still working on (and I hear he's doing a complete overhaul, so this rough draft may be substantially different when it comes out). Bryan THE SISTERS Del-Fi 4300 "All Grown Up"/ "Gee Baby Gee" September 1964 Del-Fi 4302 "Happy New Year Baby"/ "Ooh Poo Pa Doo" December 1964 Del-Fi 4306 "For Sentimental Reasons"/ "Wait Till My Baby Comes Home" September 1965 Unreleased "His Name Was John" September 1965 Although we had many Latin groups on our labels in the early 60s, I signed only one Latin rock 'n roll Girl Group. The Sisters were an all-Chicano girl group, and had been discovered by producer Billy Cardenas, my contact man on the East Side. They were sisters - Rosella, Ersi and Mary Arvizu - and had been raised in a musical family and encouraged to sing by their parents. They grew up adoring the music of Mexico: mariachis, rancheras, and boleros. By their high school years, like many other American teenagers, they were ultimately consumed by the exhilarating sound of rock 'n roll, especially recordings by girl groups. Using Motown's Supremes as their main source of inspiration, the Sisters wore matching outfits (designed by their aunt) and performed meticulously choreographed routines (primarily developed by fourteen year old Ersi). The Sisters are perhaps best known for their version of "Gee Baby Gee," which, in my opinion, was far and above superior to The Dixie Cups (who had recorded the song first), The Butterflies and countless other girl bands of the day who also took a stab at this blissful little shuffle. Cardenas - once interviewed about the Sisters - recalled there was something special about the Sisters version: "I heard that song on the Dixie Cups album, and I knew the girls could do a great job with it. I took the group to Bob and he liked them so much that he booked time at Gold Star Studios. That's where we cut "Gee Baby, Gee." So good, in fact, was their version of "Gee Baby Gee" that KRLA DJ Charlie O'Donnel soon caught the Sisters bug and made it a "Pick Hit." Unfortunately the action was short lived as Cardenas recalls: "By this point, I had left my production job at Rampart Records where I had some hits and made a name for myself. My business partner there, Ed Davis, thought that I was taking my sound to another label (Del-Fi) and was very mad about this. Because he was a close friend of (KRLA Program Director) Dick Moreland, he made sure we got off the air. He had the record killed on radio." The Sisters version of "Gee Baby Gee," however, did enjoy mild success in East LA where my old friend DJ Dick "Huggy Boy" Hugg also took a liking to the cut and played it on his late night radio show at KRLA, his new home. The recording session was a fascinating scene. We brought a full orchestra onboard including a very young Arthur Lee and Johnny Echols, both later from the seminal, psychedelic L.A. rock band, Love. "Gee Baby's" flipside, "All Grown Up," was a superb Spector/Greenwich/Barry composition that had been performed by the classic Crystals on Spector's Philles label. Three months later, we released the Sisters' second single: "Ooh Poo Pah Doo," written by Jessie Hill, which revealed a raw, R&B soulful side of the girls that seemed well beyond their teenage years. According to Cardenas, Ersi was on lead vocals for this song, which was unusual considering that Rosella was the main lead vocalist. This side seemed like a winner to me but it never got a chance on radio, because three Latin girls singing R&B was just too new for L.A.'s R&B radio audience. Besides, they were Latin and not black, and urban radio wouldn't give them a shot. "Ooh Poo Pah's" b-side, "Happy New Year, Baby," was written by Paul Politi who, you'll recall, also wrote the Little Caesar & the Romans top ten hit "Those Oldies But Goodies (Reminds Me of You)," and some stuff for Valentino & the Lovers, as well as hits with Barry White. Their next single was the Sam Cooke hit, "I Love You (For Sentimental Reasons)" b/w "Wait 'Till My Bobby Gets Home" (another Spector/Barry/Greenwich tune and a #26 Billboard hit in 1963 for the one and only Darlene Love). This was in fact, the very last release on the Del-Fi Records label October 1965. By this time, I had completely switched over to putting out singles on my newly-formed Stereo-Fi Corp labels, Mustang, and Bronco. Erci's musical career certainly didn't end along with the "last Del-Fi release." She went on to fame as a member of the Latino rock act El Chicano, who scored a #28 Billboard hit in the Spring of 1970 with the ultimate low-rider instrumental, "Viva Tirado." --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:29:11 EDT From: Ben Subject: Things Are Changing "Things are Changing (for the better) " was originally written as "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" by Brian Wilson, but Spector passed on using it for the Ronettes, who Brian wrote it for, and instead recorded it with new lyrics under this title, and it was used for a public service announcement/ad . Ben --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:43:56 -0400 From: Mark Landwehr Subject: More Things R Changing info > Does anyone have any info on a Supremes song called > "Things Are Changing" written by Phil Spector? It sounds > very much like he produced it, but did he? Anyone know > what year that was recorded? The Supremes also did a > version of "River Deep, Mountain High" which I don't think > he showed up for. > > Skip The original instrumental track was completed in March, 1965, quite a bit before the EEOC recordings were put together...For a look at all 3 EEOC labels & the sleeves for the Blossoms & the Supremes releases, check my website. Mark Landwehr Phil Spector Record Label Gallery (updated) @ http://home.tbbs.net/~msland/Spector --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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