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There are 10 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 216:

      1. John Clemente's Dance Party
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
      2. Re: shangri-las
           From: Patrick Rands 
      3. Re: shangri-las
           From: "Mike Arcidiacono"
      4. Red Vinyl CYRKLE Red Rubber Ball question
           From: Matthew Kaplan
           From: Mick Patrick 
      6. Re: "I Want You To Be My Boyfriend"
           From: "Donny Hampton" 
      7. Crystal screws and Spector boots
           From: LePageWeb 
      8. Spector produced Supremes song?
           From: "George Young"
      9. Shangri-Las
           From: John Clemente 
           From: Mick Patrick 


Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:30:17 EDT
   From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
Subject: John Clemente's Dance Party

Thanks, John, for clearing up the 4/4 girl group rave
that's always moshing in my head! "Quadrophenia," right...
that was the one. And I remember the girl in "The
Wanderers" calling out directions, like "sweep the floor,"
etc., as they (it turns out) Wobbled. The older girls on
my Brooklyn block were very into hair and dancing in the
summer of 1963; I was their little accomplice (7 at the
time) because, well, they were just so interesting. They'd
have these long afternoon sessions where they would all
gather in someone's bedroom and play 45s, drinking those
tiny little bottles of Coca-Cola, and generally moaning
about the guys on the block. Then we would all troop up
the block for Italian ices. Come to think of it, I was
probably being baby-sat, but boy did I get an education. 

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Message: 2
   Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:00:12 -0000
   From: Patrick Rands 
Subject: Re: shangri-las

Jennifer wrote:

> a  friend of mine just saw on that the
> shangri-las are doing a small tour that includes a TBA
> boston date.
> anybody know any details??

It most probably isn't -the- Shangri Las - I believe an
imitation band has been making the rounds,


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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:41:04 -0400
   From: "Mike Arcidiacono" 
Subject: Re: shangri-las

"Jennifer Sullivan" wrote:
> a  friend of mine just saw on that the
> shangri-las are doing a small tour that includes a TBA
> boston date.

Yes, its one of the original Shangs amd her daughters.
They played here in NY last weekend. I didnt see then but
a friend of mine did.


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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:43:14 EDT
   From: Matthew Kaplan 
Subject: Red Vinyl CYRKLE Red Rubber Ball question

I'm looking for a country of origin on a record and maybe
one of you can help.  The record in question is a red
vinyl pressing of The Cyrkle's "Red Rubber Ball" album and
it is some for Asian writing on it, Japanese or Taiwanese
>from 1966 with a catalog number of CSJ-383.  It came in
one of those loose sleeves in plastic, can anybody tell me
where this came from?  Does it have value beyond the crap
pressing and the wonderful music?

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Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:39:17 +0100 (BST)
   From: Mick Patrick 


Just sat here filing my feet. I find I HAD A DREAM by
DIANE RENAY has the perfect rhythm for this procedure.
You're picturing it aren't you?

Anyway, it got me to thinking about Jamie's missive
about DIANE RENAY'S website and her lack of royalty

Diane has 4 tracks on the Mercury's wonderful GROWIN' UP
TOO FAST CD. I believe this CD sold quite well. Heck, it
was even released in little old England. The packaging
clearly states that the copyright in the recordings
contained on the CD is owned by Polygram. Diane's
Collectables CD is also licensed from Polygram. Polygram
is now part of the Universal conglomerate. They are a
big company who can afford to pay royalties.

Likewise, the copyright in Diane's DYNOVOICE recordings
is owned by EMI in the UK and Rhino in the USA. BOB
CREWE sold the Dynovoice label many moons ago. A few of
these tracks have appeared on UK CDs in recent times.
EMI owes Diane royalties for these tracks if they have
licensed them out to other companies. Which they have.

Now, I am a simple person. I know little of the law. But
it all seems quite clear cut to me. Copyright laws exist,
the law should be enforced. All recording artists should
receive royalties when their work is reissued on CD.
It's the law. As copyright owners, Polygram/Universal
and EMI (not Bob Crewe) owe Diane Renay some money.
Probably not a lot. Perhaps, if she has not already done
so, she should find herself a lawyer.

FORMAT. Whatever that is.

It has been suggested to me that Diane's UNBELIEVABLE
GUY has the perfect rhythm for wanking to . . . get back
to me in 20 minutes.


PS No prizes on offer but who will be the first to name
an answer song to NAVY BLUE.

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Message: 6
   Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:24:12 +0000
   From: "Donny Hampton" 
Subject: Re: "I Want You To Be My Boyfriend"

If "I Want You To Be My Boyfriend" isn't the same song
as "Please Be My Boyfriend," you can't hear it anywhere,
because it has never been released.  However, I'm not
convinced that it isn't the same.  I have "Please Be My
Boyfriend" on a 45 (Japanese?) with The Blossoms'
"Things Are Changing" on the topside.

Don Charles

"George Young" wrote:

>I'd love to hear that song. 
>  Where might I find it?

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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:24:14 +0900
   From: LePageWeb 
Subject: Crystal screws and Spector boots

Tony Leong wrote:

>I found a more interesting Crystals CD collection from
>Marginal.  Even a full version of "The Screw" is here...

Well, not quite "full" to be nitpicky. It has a skip in
it because it was mastered from a bootleg 45 vinyl copy
that was mastered with the skip in it. Billy Spradlin
fixed the skip using a digital editor and played it for us
sometime back when the Screw was discussed in great detail
here earlier this year. :-)

Two threads - the first starting here:

...and the second starting here:

It's a good read for those interested in this rare Spector 

>Other Crystals cuts that have yet
>to surface on CD are "Please Be My Boyfriend"...

This has been issued on CD on a Japan boot entitled "Off
the Wall". It has several takes of the song. A (reportedly)
complete version was on the B-Side of the Blossoms' Things
Are Changing (Japanese 7" vinyl).

You can find full track info for Off the Wall and many
similar compilations (including the Marginal CD) at

>...reported rough draft of La La's take of "It's My

Better ask Mick Patrick about that one! ;-)

>does anyone reading this know if the Crystals were the
>FIRST group to record "On Broadway"??

>From the Barry and Cyn interview by Alan Warner...

Barry Mann: "The Drifters were up to record and we had
written a song called On Broadway. This is before we ever
got together with Mike and Jerry. And we played them the

Cynthia Weil: "As a matter of fact we had written it
because Carol and Gerry were cutting a group called the
Cookies and they were one song short. That's the only
reason they came to us - they were desperate! So we wrote
this song called On Broadway from a girl's point of view..."

Hope this helps...


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Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:48:46 -0400
   From: "George Young" 
Subject: Spector produced Supremes song?

Does anyone have any info on a Supremes song called
"Things Are Changing" written by Phil Spector?  It sounds
very much like he produced it, but did he?  Anyone know
what year that was recorded?  The Supremes also did a
version of "River Deep, Mountain High" which I don't think
he showed up for.


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Message: 9
   Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:40:43 -0400
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Shangri-Las

Hello All,

No sooner had I e-mailed Tom Waters about Mary Weiss,
when I scrolled further down on the last digest to see
Jennifer Sullivan's inquiry.  Here is what I told Tom:

I went to the screening of "Brill Building Pop -- The
Teens That Stole Pop Music", shown on May 3 at The Museum
of Radio and Television in NYC.  In the audience was Mary
Weiss, looking as good as ever (she was also interviewed
in the documentary).  She signed my book and asked if I
said she was a "bad girl" in the chapter on the Shangs. 
I told her no, that I stayed away from most of the
cliches, which I had, for the most part.  She still parts
her hair on the side, straight down, more updated, though.
She said that neither she nor her sister have involvement
with the current Shangs.  They are all imposters.

Please don't be fooled by these Shangri-Las.  None are

John Clemente

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Message: 10
   Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 01:46:51 +0100 (BST)
   From: Mick Patrick 


Bootlegs, schmootlegs. Don't people collect vinyl
anymore? To own an original 45 is far more rewarding
than having some dull-sounding bootleg CD. Legal CDs are
aplenty. And, hey, they cost no more than boots. If the
Crystals have trouble obtaining royalty payments from
legal releases, how much are the group likely to earn
>from bootlegs? Nothing. Why do you think artists like
the Crystals persist in the vile practice of re-cutting
their old hits for 'budget' labels? Easy. Because they
are PAID to. I've even seen bootleg CDs offered for sale
by auction! That stinks. Get real. Don't bid on those
things. Burn one, instead. Whatever that means.

Anyway, regarding the Crystals' Marginal CD. You know, that

Tony Leong wrote:

> One omission that I was disappointed about was the
> "Crystals" version  of "Wah Wahtusi" (actually the
> Ronettes were the vocalists for that one, but they
> sang "Mashed Potato Time" too, and THAT was on this
> CD!!!!). Further Crystals cuts that have yet to
> surface on CD are "Please Be My Boyfriend" and the
> reported rough draft of La La's take of "It's My
> Party". 

Errrr, Ronnie Ronette sang lead on the Crystals' "HOT
PASTRAMI" and "Mashed Potato Time" but not on "Wah Watusi".
That WAS the real Crystals. Trust me, I know my onions.
Whatever that means.

I have seen the Crystals' "Please Be My Boyfriend" on a
CD. It was a Japanese bootleg called "Off The Wall" - I
think. A lovely looking, nicely made, good (for a boot)
sounding, EXPENSIVE bootleg. This track has never been
legally issued, on vinyl or CD. But it ain't a great
track. Nice, not great. I suspect elitism lies behind its
appeal. By the way, if this cut is ever proved to be an
actual Phil Spector production, I'll eat my copy of
"Tandoori Chicken".

I realise that it has been long-accepted, since as far
back as 1963, that there is an unissued version of IT'S
MY PARTY by the Crystals in the Phil Spector vaults. Well,
that's not what DARLENE LOVE and FANITA JAMES say.
According to them, it wasn't the Crystals that cut the
song for Spector but their group THE BLOSSOMS, with
Darlene on lead vocals. Heck, ask Darlene nicely and
she'll even wail you a bit of how her version went . . .
much slower than Lesley Gore's.

But, what about the HELEN SHAPIRO version, cut
'pre-Lesley' in Nashville?? Not to mention the ORIGINAL
version by BARBARA ENGLISH. Well, I ain't got all day!!!
Read the FULL story contained in the booklet of the
MIXED-UP HEARTS" (Edsel EDCD 645). Barbara English and
Darlene Love are interviewed in the booklet. No, it ain't
a bootleg. Yes, Lesley Gore gets her royalties from
Universal (the copyright owners). And, no, I won't scan
my copy of the booklet so you can download it. Whatever
that means.

Some may have seen a picture of a supposed La La Brooks
version of IT'S MY PARTY on a Goldstar label acetate.
That pic was a mock-up. I mocked it up. Sorry. Who knows,
maybe the real Crystals did do this song too. La La is
around. Maybe someone could ask her.


PS It was too fast and twenty minutes wasn't long enough.
Whatever that means.

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