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There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this Digest Number 203:

           From: Mick Patrick
      2. Re: The Georgettes
           From: "Peter Lerner"
      3. Less Jive, More Love (Baby)
           From: "Walter Massey"
      4. Re: Comin' On Too Strong
           From: "Peter Lerner"
      5. Raul Abeyta
           From: "Kingsley Abbott"
      6. T.M. - Comin' On Too Strong
           From: "Jeffrey Glenn" 
      7. Re: Vampire
           From: Ton Borsboom
      8. Kenny Karen
           From: Michael Gessner 
      9. Re: Ike and Kenny
           From: Dela Trinidad


Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:29:30 +0100 (BST)
   From: Mick Patrick


The heat, the unbearable, platter-warping heat! I must
have sorbet now, damson sorbet, or I will very surely
expire from dehydration . . . Er, just having one of my
Tennessee Williams moments.

Anyway, to business. In answer to Jimmy Crescitelli's
question about THE GEORGETTES: I was expecting John
Clemente to get in touch about this group, but as he
hasn't I thought I'd share what I know as best I can.
(Before I continue, can I say a personal hello to Jimmy
C. Of course I remember you well from the old Philately
days. How very young and attractive we must all have
been. Ho hum).

Yes, the Georgettes were named after a man but GEORGE
MOTOLLA not George Goldner. Troy was one of Motola's
labels. He wrote "Little Boy" with his wife RICKIE PAGE
who sang lead on the track.

Rickie Page was a prolific West Coast songwriter and
session-singer. She made lots of records in disguise.
For example, "Donnie" by THE BERMUDAS and "White Levis"
by THE MAJORETTES. Rickie was also a member of THE
I'm sure there are many more examples awaiting discovery.
Becky & the Lollipops, anyone?

Still no sign of any frozen dessert. I could put on some
pants and go buy some, I suppose.


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Message: 2
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:16:06 +0100
   From: "Peter Lerner" 
Subject: Re: The Georgettes

These Georgettes are not the same people, I assume, as
the Georgettes on my UK 1960 Pye International 45 "Down
by the River" - charming old fashioned girlie sound. I'd
say they were young but not male! The recording is US in
origin, label says "A Lee Silver, USA recording". Anyone
know anything more about them?


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>From: "Jimmy Crescitelli"

> And now for something completely different! Anyone have
> any info on this group--? They recorded a song called
> "Little Boy," a frothy, foamy, chirpy, very-1963 number
> sung by a lead with the most amazing falsetto: leading me
> to think that they may in fact be boys. (Someone years
> ago told me the lead, hence the group name, was George
> Goldner... I don't think so !!!!!) It's eminently catchy,
> and sounds as if the Chiffons ran into the Secrets and
> decided to record a side. Any help?

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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:51:49 -0400
   From: "Walter Massey"
Subject: Less Jive, More Love (Baby)

Brian Flaherty wrote:

> Any suggestions on how I should alter my track selection?

Hello, all. This is my first post after lurking for quite
a while. My name is Walter Massey and I have been an avid
collector of music in various formats since 1964. I hope
to add more in future posts. Brian, the only suggestion I
might make on your selection would be replacing Roy
Wood's "See My Baby Jive" with his "This Is The Story Of
My Love (Baby)." Both have truly bombastic Spectoresque
sound, but it is just a thought regarding the flow of
your production. 

Best wishes. 

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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:25:27 +0100
   From: "Peter Lerner" 
Subject: Re: Comin' On Too Strong

> > Wayne Newton's "Comin' On Too Strong"
> > The song is co-written by Raul Abeyta and Gary Usher.
> > Don't know too much about Raul. Can anyone elaborate?

Re Raul Abeyta. He wrote a few songs with Sharon Sheeley
for Metric Music in the early 60s. They include Fine,
Fine Day; Girl in the Rain; It's no use; Memories of your
Face; Only an hour; She'll be there; Sweet and bitter
melody; There goes my love; Till you came home; What a
groovy world.

I'm not aware that anyone ever recorded these songs
although demos were made for Metric.


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Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:23:05 +0100
   From: "Kingsley Abbott"
Subject: Raul Abeyta

In answer to Jamie's query, Raul Abeyta was a Screen
Gems staff writer that Gary Usher met and befriended for
a couple of years c 64/5.  He was an intelligent writer
and it was his input which basically helped lead Usher
away from all his Surf/drag/bike knock-offs into more
serious writing.  They wrote some 30 songs together, and
I'd recommend people look out for the Neptunes "Shame
Girl" single as a good place to start.  Regarding the
other names, I'm pretty sure Jerry Kolbrach was Jerry
Cole's real name; Roger Webster I'm not sure about,
except he was Usher's session leader a few times
(possible the studio engineer??).  More info can be
found in various volumes of Stephen J McParland's great
5 Volume history of Gary Usher (details on the Weekes

To complicate the Georgettes issue further, I have a
group of that name on Saber Records doing "Oh Shucks"/"A
Good Man Is Hard To Find" - both written by Steve
Verroca - A Verbar/Jones Production, with the latter
apparant B Side (but better) Arr & conducted by Teacho
Wiltshire.  It's sort of what I call gospel-pop.  Are
these ones the same as any of the others?

Kingsley Abbott

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Message: 6
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:25:47 -0700
   From: "Jeffrey Glenn"
Subject: T.M. - Comin' On Too Strong

> Comin' On Too Strong is credited as produced by T.M.
> Productions...Terry Melcher?

Hi Jamie,

The Capitol Collectors Series Wayne Newton CD lists the
producer as Bobby Darin/T.M. Music (also for the B-side
"Looking Through A Tear").  And other tracks on the disc
list Steve Douglas/T.M. Music as producer.  So while I
think it's OK to assume the T.M. is Terry Melcher, he's
not necessarily involved - just his company (to which
Darin and Douglas must have been contracted to for these
songs).  Both sides of the actual 45 say "Produced by:
T.M. Productions."


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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 17:52:56 -0000
   From: Ton Borsboom
Subject: Re: Vampire

Ian wrote:

> It was the Crystals on Mercury 71381, released '58,
> backed with "Tropical Illusion".
Ian, thank you for the information on the "Vampire" track.
But are these Crystals the same group as The Metros?

Appreciate your help.



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Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 22:02:44 -0400
   From: Michael Gessner 
Subject: Kenny Karen

I did a search at  for Kenny Karen. There was
a lot of info. He was a/the demo singer for the Burt
Bacharach musical "Promises, Promises". There's a whole
web site about it and a CD of the session.


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Message: 9
   Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:26:09 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Dela Trinidad
Subject: Re: Ike and Kenny

Hey David,

John is right about it not being Ike's voice,
indeed it is the voice of Mickey Baker.


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