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Spectropop V#0066

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 4/11/98
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            Volume #0066                              04/12/98
                America's First Family of Fine Recordings
    Subject:     Re: Another Spin On Covers
    Sent:        4/11/98 5:02 AM
    Received:    4/11/98 8:43 AM
    From:        BashPop, BashXXX@XXXXXXm
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    << Subject:  Covers eclipsing the originals
     Another spin on this thread: I was playing some Beatles 
     discs recently when Ticket to Ride came on. I was asked "Did 
     the Beatles record this Carpenters song?" Any other absurd 
     misconceptions out there?>>
    Hi Jamie,
    Yeah, when I was a kid back in 1968, I think, I saw a 
    variety show with Petula Clark as one of its guests. She 
    sang "A Little Help From My Friends", a song which I'd never 
    heard before. A few years later, when I heard the Beatles' 
    version, my first response was "Wow, The Beatles did that 
    song too?!"
    Man, did I have a lot to learn!!!
    Spectropop Rules!!!!!
    Take Care,
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :13:04 PM ]---
    Subject:     Re: Spectropop V#0065
    Sent:        4/11/98 7:48 AM
    Received:    4/11/98 8:43 AM
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    Yes, "Sharing You" was on Little Eva's Locomotion LP.  
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :13:04 PM ]---
    Subject:     Re: Spectropop V#0065 Lesley Gore
    Sent:        4/11/98 4:27 AM
    Received:    4/11/98 8:43 AM
    From:        Billy G. Spradlin,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    At 03:25 AM 4/11/98 +0900, you wrote:
    >Now for this other weird thing: I already had the Mercury 
    >single-disc "Golden Hits of Lesley Gore" cd. My favoritest 
    >LG song of alltimes is "What Am I Gonna Do With You." Well 
    >sir, that song is also on this 2-disc set, but it's in a 
    >radically different mix; the single-disc version is better I 
    >think, instruments more up front and the voice centered in 
    >the stereo mix, and more correctly balanced in relation to 
    >the instruments. On the 2-disc set, though, the stereo mix 
    >is more extremely panned left and right, the instruments are 
    >more recessed, and the voice is in the right channel and 
    >kind of harsh sounding. What's up with these two different 
    I believe that the "Golden Hits" version is a ADD remix from 
    the original 3-4 track masters. Its one of the few times 
    that I have heard a ADD remix actually improved on the 
    original version. I bet the version on the 2-CD set is the 
    original LP mix. Her voice sounds like it was recorded in a 
    restroom! I love that song too, it should have been released 
    as a single.
    Another weird thing is that there are two different versions 
    of "Look of Love". One version is very Spector-ish with 
    sleigh bells, handclaps and more compression and reverb that 
    appeared on the original "Golden Hits" LP. It also sounds 
    like someone sped the pitch up too. The other version is a 
    much cleaner sounding version without the sleigh bells, 
    compression, pitch control etc. and it appears on the "Golden 
    Hits" CD!  
    One wish for us 4-Seasons fans...A Singles collection with 
    all the MONO mixes of the original hits! (and for someone to 
    find "Ronnie" and "Huggin My Pillow" in stereo too!)
    [] Billy G. Spradlin          E-mail:  ICQ:2039627 []
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    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :13:04 PM ]---
    Subject:     What Am I Gonna Do With You
    Sent:        4/11/98 9:27 PM
    Received:    4/11/98 10:43 PM
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jack wrote:
    >My favoritest LG song of alltimes is "What Am I Gonna Do 
    >With You" (from "Golden Hits of Lesley Gore")...also on this 
    >2-disc set, but in a radically different mix...
    "What Am I Gonna Do With You" is my absolute favorite Lesley 
    Gore recording too. I just love the "Hey, baby" bits at the 
    end of the verses. 
    Without checking credits, I swore this was an L.A. 
    recording, string arrangement is Nitzsche or a perfect 
    simulation thereof, and it sounds to me like Gold Star and 
    the Wrecking Crew. When I checked the 2-disc set liners, it 
    said New York and Claus Ogermann, so I suddenly lost 
    confidence. Until then, I swore this was Nitzsche and Gold 
    Star. The liners mention that several months after My 
    Town... Pet went to L.A. to record with Nitzsche, but Off & 
    Running (btw Mindbenders too recorded a great version of 
    this) does not sound like Spector-era Gold Star. "What Am I 
    Gonna Do With You" does. It shares common elements with 
    "Expecting To Fly" by Buffalo Springfield, "Baby That's Me" 
    by the Cake and "You'll Be Needing..." by Nino & April. Or 
    am I imagining all this?
    Another strange credit on the 2-disc set is Ogermann as 
    arranger on My Town My Guy & Me, which on the single disc is 
    credited as arranged by Don Costa, an L.A. arranger I 
    believe. Now, if "after" My Town Lesley went to L.A., but if 
    Costa and Nitzsche worked on the My Town recordings, then 
    what gives?
    Finally, regarding the mixes, I can only guess that the 
    Golden Hits CD is a remix, because on the back it says 
    "mastered from the original 2, 03 & 4 track master tapes." 
    The 2-disc set is probably the original mix. 
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :13:04 PM ]---
    Subject:     Re: cover versions
    Sent:        4/11/98 10:20 AM
    Received:    4/11/98 9:53 PM
    From:        Big L,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >>Good ( and Fun) cover versions, well the list could go on 
    forever but here's a start :
    1. Over and Over/DC5
    2. You Got What It Takes/DC5
    3. Words Of Love/Beatles
    4. Roll Over Beethoven/Beatles
    5. Do You Wanna Dance/Beach Boys
    6. My World Fell Down/Sagittarius
    7. Dedicated To The One I Love/Mamas& Papas
    8. Iko Iko/Dr. John
    9 Younger Girl/The Critters
    10. Little Honda/The Hondells
    11. You Showed Me/The Turtles
    12. The River Is Wide/The Grassroots
    13. Laugh At Me/Mott The Hoople
    14. Nobody But Me/The Human Beinz
    15. Sugar & Spice/The Cryan Shames
    16. Just Like Romeo & Juliet/Michael & The Messengers
    17. Love Potion # Nine/The Searchers.
    18. Hush/Deep Purple
    19. Summertime Blues/Blue Cheer
    20. Don't Think Twice It's All Right/The Wonder Who
    I will accept #1, 02 , 05 , 07 , 15, 18 & 19 as fitting my 
    definition of a "stand alone" cover. I didn't know #6, 11, 
    14 & 20 were covers. I am not familiar with #8 and 13.
    I feel that as far as #12, the version by Forum was far 
    superior, actually high on my list of all time favorites. 
    That thing just rocks. It wasn't a major hit, but the 
    station I was listening to, WKYC, played it incessantly. 
    Another case of Big Jack Armstrong taking a song he dug and 
    pushing it up to hit status
    I have mixed feelings about #4. It was a great version, but 
    seems to me to be a little too close to the original to 
    qualify as "stand alone."
    #9, 10 & 17 sound to me very close to the original.
    Now, I will add:
    You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge
    Big L                   Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :59:01 PM ]---
    Subject:     Re: Dusty Springfield
    Sent:        4/11/98 9:15 AM
    Received:    4/11/98 9:53 PM
    From:        Marc Wielage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    JohnBarone <> wrote:
    >Don't know if this is old news here at Spectropop but I see
    >that Mercury is finally releasing Dusty Springfield-The Very
    >Best of, the week of April 21, on cd. Been holding out from
    >buying one of those expensive imports.
    The Mercury DUSTY SPRINGFIELD ANTHOLOGY 3-disc boxed set has 
    been out in the U.S. for at least six months, on Mercury 
    314-553 5301-2.
    My understanding is that the VERY BEST OF disc is just a 
    distillation of the 3-disc set.  It's cheaper, but it omits 
    several significant songs.
    Note, by the way, there are at least two phasey and/or fake-
    stereo tracks on the Mercury set: "Losing You" and "Wishin 
    and Hopin'," which is very annoying. I suspect these same 
    mistakes will be on the new Mercury single disc collection.
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    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :59:01 PM ]---
    Subject:     Re: Girl Watchin'
    Sent:        4/11/98 12:12 PM
    Received:    4/11/98 9:53 PM
    From:        Paulurbahn, PaulurbXXX@XXXXXXm
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    In a message dated 98-04-10 14:34:12 EDT, you write:
    << Then you'd want to get Love Power: Hard to Find U.S. Hot 100 
     Hits of the 60s (Sequel 669), which has it in stereo. >>
    Yes but the stereo version, If memory serves me has a guitar 
    break (solo) that is not on the hit mono version. Or is it 
    the other way around.
    Paul Urbahns
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :59:01 PM ]---
    Subject:     Re: Lesley Gore 2 cd set
    Sent:        4/11/98 12:10 PM
    Received:    4/11/98 9:53 PM
    From:        Paulurbahn, PaulurbXXX@XXXXXXm
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    In a message dated 98-04-10 14:34:12 EDT, you write:
    << Now for this other weird thing: I already had the Mercury 
     single-disc "Golden Hits of Lesley Gore" cd. >>
    You will notice the song Look Of Love on the two Cd set is 
    the original hit single in stereo with the sleigh bell 
    overdub, whereas I believe the Golden Hits had the LP 
    version without the overdub. To me the overdub makes the 
    Paul URbahns
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /11/98 - 09 :59:01 PM ]---
    Subject:     Re: Cover Versions
    Sent:        4/11/98 10:12 PM
    Received:    4/12/98 9:37 AM
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    RE: Cover Versions.  While Pat Boone is called the Cover 
    Artist, in fact only 60 of his 105 Billboard hits were 
    covers, and those were early in his career.  Compare that 
    to Elvis, who covered endlessly, from the Blue Moons and 
    "Hound Dog," right up to "Kentucky Rain" and "Suspicious 
    Even when songs were written for Elvis, he covered Demos by 
    PJ Proby, who imitated Elvis perfectly, and laid out the 
    vocal arrangments for EP on the demos.  Often Elvis just 
    added his voice to PJs demo track.  So the King of Rock and 
    Roll is also the King of Cover Versions!
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /12/98 - 10:59:01 AM ]---
    Subject:     Re: The Philadelphia Dimension continues...
    Sent:        4/11/98 10:12 PM
    Received:    4/12/98 9:37 AM
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
    To:          Spectropop  List,
    >After Doc wrote that the Dimension recordings were actually 
    >demos for Philadelphia artists,
    Well, that's not EXACTLY what I said. Lou Adler told me 
    that all of the COOKIES records were demos that did not get 
    picked up. And not all Dimension songs were aimed at PHILLY 
    artists anyway. "It Might As Well Rain Until September" 
    which was written for Bobby Vee in the "Take Good Care of My 
    Baby" style. But other than those details, you really are 
    right! I am sure that other Dimension records were demos, 
    like the Vee record, and that most were pitched in Philly!  
    Never thought of it just that way -- thanks!
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /12/98 - 10:59:01 AM ]---

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