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Topics in this Digest Number 193:

      1. Any info on this record?
           From: Dan Hughes
      2. Re: King of Pop
           From: Dan Hughes 
      3. Re: Beatles, Smile, and musique concrete
           From: Libi 
      4. Oh, Those Lifted Segments
           From: John Clemente 
      5. Jonathan King
           From: "David Mirich, Ph.D." 
      6. Stones ripoffs
           From: Andrew Hickey 
      7. the Clingers, or the Clinger Sisters
           From: Patrick Rands 
      8. Re: Classical lifts
           From: Watson 


Message: 1
   Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:00:45 -0500
   From: Dan Hughes
Subject: Any info on this record?

I have a Columbia 45 rpm record, 04 -42264, complete
with picture sleeve, by Kenny Karen.

Side 1:  Oh, Susie Forgive Me, written by Mann & Weil
Side 2:  The Light In Your Window, written by King,
Goffin, and A. Ripp

Both sides arranged and conducted by Alan Lorber, and
produced by Nevins-Kirshner Associates, Inc.

>From the record number, it must have been released
around January 1962.

Who was this guy, how was he able to get songs by these
writers and a major label release, and why have we
never heard of him?

And the big question--is this record worth anything,
near mint with picture sleeve?



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Message: 2
   Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:06:33 -0500
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Re: King of Pop

Hans asks,
> On another note, BJ Thomas: Is he still recording?

More than you care to know about BJ


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Message: 3
   Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:57:37 EDT
   From: Libi 
Subject: Re: Beatles, Smile, and musique concrete

Not as well versed as most of you folks seem to I
looked up "musique concrete" and thought some others
might be interested in this link.  Thanks for all the
rich information in all the posts.  :) 


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Message: 4
   Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:15:39 -0400
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Oh, Those Lifted Segments

Hello Everyone,

I think that the business of accidental or purposeful
soundalikes is an interesting strand.  I'm thinking more
and more that there are finite melodies and arrangements
within a particular genre of music.  Here are some of my
discoveries, some probably obvious to you, that either
are the same songs note for note or borrow passages:

It May Be Winter Outside - Felice Taylor/Everything Is
Good About You - Supremes

Makin' With The Magilla - Little Eva (Follow me now
...)/Sweet Seasons (inst. bridge) - Carole King

One Wonderful Night - Honey Bees (intro sung
slowly)/Come Go With Me (intro) - Dell Vikings

The 81 - Candy & The Kisses/In My Lonely Room - Martha &
The Vandellas

Dancin The Strand (intro) - Maureen Gray/Maybe (intro) -

These are just off the top of my head.  Anyone want to
add to this list?


John Clemente

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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 06:18:33 -0600
   From: "David Mirich, Ph.D."
Subject: Jonathan King

Hans wrote in part:

> First, a few things about Jonathan King which most US
> readers might not know about... Having interviewed him
> in Hong Kong many moons ago when a young journo, all I
> can say is that "bit" from Hooked On A Feeling is all
> his.

Maybe that's what he said.  But that is also what George
Harrison told the judge about My Sweet Lord.  Having
lost the case, he then said that maybe He's So Fine was
lodged in his subconscious -- but that his lifting of it
was not intentional.

Dave Mirich

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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Stones ripoffs

> And of course, speaking of Stills, you can't fail to
> mention Neil Young's blatant cop of the
> "Satisfaction"
> riff on the Buffalo Springfield's "Mr. Soul."  Or
> for
> that matter, the way he not only swiped "Lady Jane" for
> "Borrowed Tune," he wrote lyrics about why he did it.

But the Stones ripped off more than their fair share
of songs themselves. The Last Time is straight from an
old Pops Staples song, and, one that I've never seen
commented on, Ruby Tuesday has an almost identical
verse melody to a Kinks song (I can't remember if it's
called 'Ring The Bells' or 'I'm In Love' but it's on
the Kink Kontroversy album)...

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Message: 7
   Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:51:46 -0000
   From: Patrick Rands
Subject: the Clingers, or the Clinger Sisters

Hey All,

A combination of places have mentioned the Clinger
Sisters - Curt B. from the Millennium produced a side,
Kim Fowley produced a side, and one of the Rock Flowers
was a my question is - where can I find
their recordings? Are they on any compilations? Does
anyone have a discography?


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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:12:50 EDT
   From: Watson
Subject: Re: Classical lifts

Excuse the nitpick, but Sergei Rachmaninov died in 1943,
not 1945.  The reason his Second Piano Concerto is so
well known is the fact that it was used as the music for
the movie Brief Encounter in 1946; this, in turn, started
an avalanche of Piano Concerto Movies (Legend of the
Glass Mountain, Dangerous Moonlight, While I Live - there
are dozens of them), all with specially-composed fake
Rachmaninov concerti on the soundtrack.

The Eric Carmen horror lives near the top of my personal
Ten Most Icky list, but pride of place has to go to the
nightmarish Classically Sedaka, unleashed on an innocent
world in 1995.  Next time we meet, Neil, I am loaded for

(The artist formally known as)  Watson

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