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Re: Other thefts From: Gregg Luvox ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:15:06 +0100 From: "Martin Roberts" Subject: Golden Oldies While awaiting the new Lou Christie/Tammys release it prompted me to have a look through my newer UK/European CD's that may have been missed by Spectropopers. The Marvelettes "The Essential Collection" sub titled "The Best Of" UK Spectrum554 8592 rel. date '99. 6 unreleased. The Velvelettes "The Best Of" UK Spectrum544 467-2 rel '01. All the USA '99 CD tracks plus 4 unreleased. All the Spectrum releases seem to be budget buys these two >from HMV Oxford St. for GBP 6.99 each. Samantha Jones "Surrounded By A Ray Of Sunshine-The UA Recordings Vol 1" UK RPM199. 4 of the best British Girl Group tracks from the former Vernon Girl, inc. unreleased and great booklet on this 20 track release (I'd suggest passing on Vol 2 though.) France Gall "Baby Pop" French? Philips 539 842-2. Didn't hold out that much hope for this when bought - but hard to leave a record shop empty handed! Her most well known (in Britain) 65 Eurovision Song (winner?) "Poupee de Cire Poupee de Son" is not on this straight LP reissue >from '66 only 12 tracks but it's great! Francoise Hardy "The Vogue Years" UK BMG74321 822322 rel '01 A must buy. 50 tracks of the very best of French,UK (Charles Blackwell) & even US (Mickey Baker) pop. Can't find any of my favourites missing, great Spector Sound A Likes, great attitude & great looks! Good colour booklet. All of these are French language recordings so I'd guess English vocal's compilation to follow. But don't wait buy this now! For those new to Francoise's charms start at track 14 her version of The Joys "I Still Love Him" But what's going on here 5 Euro CD's with appeal to Spector fans and no mention of the King of Spectropop reissues Mick Patrick? Of course not! You can't walk into a record shop in England with out spotting and nine times out of ten buying Mick's latest compilation. The hardest working man in CD reissues usually, with the man who doesn't have a Wall Of Sound but all the walls, floor, stairs, chairs, cupboards, bath etc,etc Malcolm Baumgart. Keeping in the Gaelic mood:- Petula Clark "En Vogue (Beat en Francais)" UK Castle CMDDD 214 rel'01 another 50 track double CD, great pics and with Mick's name at the end (along with Richard Harris) great sleeve notes. All songs sung in French and most more Girl Group slanted than her usual 'pop' style. Some very good recordings but I still find her to "clean/smiley, smiley" for my tastes. Jack Nitzsche produced her, "Downtown" is a classic and sleeve notes talk of sales of over 68 million, think this is my problem not hers! Shirley Ellis "The Complete Congress Recordings" UK Connoisseur Collection VSOP340 rel '01. Thought she was to R&B/dirty sounding for my tastes! Maybe thats down to the guilt I still feel for singing 'naughty lyrics' to "The Clapping Song" when a boy.But a great (cheap £8.99) way to get all her Congress (including Calello) releases. This and the next both compiled & sleeve notes by the M&M's. "The Sound of Bacharach" UK Westside 894 rel '01. 27 tracks from Scepter, Wand, Musicor & various later Ace LP's/CD's. Wonderful early New York Soul Ballads from Tommy Hunt, Chuck Jackson, Jimmy Randolph & The Isley Bros. Female sides from The Shirelles, Maxine Brown, Tammi Terrell & Big Maybelle.Great hits by Gene Pitney & also B J Thomas but by this time Bacharach & David's music had long lost its edge, to smooth & easy listening for my tastes. Enough! Martin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:42:01 EDT From: James Botticelli Subject: Classical Gas Add to the classical music users society "Lullaby Of Love" The group? Ah......let me think........Oh well, they say the memory is the second to go... Jimmy Botticelli --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 03:48:31 -0500 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Similar songs I have always been struck by the identicality (?) of the line in the chorus of the Drifters' I Count the Tears: "Nah nah nah nah nah late at night" and the line in the chorus of the Grass Roots' Let's Live For Today: "Nah nah nah nah nah live for today." ---Dan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:55:11 EDT From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Hooked On A Feeling - Jonathan King David Mirich writes: > I can start us out by pointing to the hit song from > 1973 called "Hooked On A Feeling" by Blue Swede. There > is a segment that goes "A oooga, Chaca ooooga ooooga > ooooga, Chaca ooooga ooooga ooooga ........" This group > must have gotten their hands on a Brian Wilson Smile > session bootleg tape where this section was lifted. Dave, Truth of the matter is, the English musician Jonathan King (Everyone's Gone To The Moon fame) did the original version. In his two CD Greatest Hits set from England he explained that he finally realized you could not copyright an arrangement when this Swedish Pub band copied his arrangement note for note issued it and had a number 1 hit. The two CD set does include the original version of the song as he issued it in England and it went nowhere. He has had quite a few hits in Europe I understand, but only one of consequence in America. Paul Urbahns --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:40:46 -0700 From: Marc Wielage Subject: Re: Other "thefts" David Mirich, Ph.D. asked on the SpectroPop group: > What are other examples of blatant > "lifting" of songs or segments of songs? I can start us > out by pointing to the hit song from 1973 called "Hooked > On A Feeling" by Blue Swede. There is a segment that > goes "A oooga, Chaca ooooga ooooga ooooga, Chaca ooooga > ooooga ooooga ........" This group must have gotten > their hands on a Brian Wilson Smile session bootleg > tape where this section was lifted. >----------------------
--------------------< Not necessarily. That arrangement was created by British singer/producer Jonathan King for his own Top 30 British hit, which was the first to add a reggae beat and "ooba-chakas" to the refrain. Could King have heard the SMILE session tapes? Anything's possible, but I personally think he was a fairly innovative guy in his own right, especially for his time. There are a million "Copycat" hit songs out there that lift part of the melody or lyrics of another hit. It's a bottomless pit of a subject. Here's just a few: Air Supply - "Even the Nights Are Better" / "Arthur's Theme" [songwriter Burt Bacharach once said in an interview he considered suing them for using the melody to his hit, particularly on the phrase "the best that you can do." On the other hand, Burt's own 1958 hit "The Blob" featured a sax solo lifted almost note-for-note >from Bill Justis' 1957 Top 5 instrumental hit "Raunchy." (!) ] Beach Boys - "Surfin' USA" borrows Chuck Berry's melody to "Sweet Little Sixteen." They got sued and eventually had to share royalties and songwriting credits. Michael Bolton - "Love is a Wonderful Thing." Bolton got sued big-time on this by The Isley Brothers, who wrote an identically-titled (but very different) song. While I don't think those songs are all that close -- even though Bolton eventually lost, to the tune of millions of dollars -- his song is very close to that of Marvin Gaye's 1969 Top 5 soul hit "Too Busy Thinking About My Baby." [I think this might be the all-time biggest plagiarism suit, just under George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord / He's So Fine" from 1970-71.] Johnny Bristol - "Hang On in There Baby" has a melody that's uncannily similar to Barry White's 1973 soul hit "Never Never Gonna Give You Up," complete with occasional narration and "mmm's." Dino, Desi & Billy's "I'm a Fool" is note-for-note, the same song as "Louie Louie." (And even that is arguably borrowed or influenced by a dozen other R&B songs.) And a lot of singer/songwriters rip off _themselves_. Is there a difference between Neil Diamond's "Forever in Blue Jeans" or "Yesterday's Songs," both from the late 1970s/early 1980s? Naaaa. I could go on forever. There's hundreds of songs like this, to the point where you could do a pretty good article on the subject. Moving closer to the present: I worked on the music video to Cutting Crew's "I've Been in Love Before" back in 1987. At one point, I turned to their producer and said, "hey, is it just me, or does part of this chorus sound just like Bob Welch's late-1977 Top 10 hit 'Sentimental Lady?'" He laughed and admitted I wasn't imagining things. And don't even get me STAHted about white rock groups that rip off old R&B and blues songs from the 1930, 1940s, and 1950s. (Led Zep in particular.) --MFW -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= Marc Wielage | "The computerized authority =- -= MusicTrax, LLC | on rock, pop, & soul." =- -= Chatsworth, CA | =- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:49:12 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Hooked On Doc Mirich sez: > the hit song from 1973 called "Hooked On A Feeling" by > Blue Swede. There is a segment that goes "A oooga, > Chaca ooooga ooooga ooooga, Chaca ooooga ooooga ooooga." > This group must have gotten their hands on a Brian > Wilson Smile session I don't know about that, but the song, written by Mark James (Suspicious Minds), was first a hit for B. J. Thomas in 1968. Thomas' version didn't have any of that "ooga ooga" stuff in it. I don't know where the idea to add all that weirdness came from, after all HOAF is otherwise a straightforward pop song. At the time, not many had access to SMiLE outtakes - maybe only the rock elite like Derek Taylor and the Beatles... Strangely, that ooga-ooga "arrangement" part of the song became so identified with Hooked on a Feeling that anyone recalling the song today inevitably thinks of it. Of course, whoever thought up that part (or, as you suggest, borrowed it) does not have songwriting credit. The B. J. Thomas version is very good, by the way. Hooked on a Feeling is a great pop song on its own without the "ooga ooga" bit. Come to think of it, the Heroes and Villians single doesn't suffer much without it either... Not that this has anything to do with the subject at hand, directly anyway, but I came across this quote >from Van Dyke Parks on the demise of SMiLE which I found rather interesting... "I had assumed that all we had done would be clarified in the following weeks, but before that had a chance to happen Brian had a nervous collapse. What broke his heart was Sergeant Pepper. The year before, the Beatles had gone to LA to listen to the eight-track Smile sessions, and what they were looking for is revealed on that album. It was improper for the Beatles to take the musique concrete approach that Brian had started, and it was grievous because they were so obviously better than that. (London Guardian, 12.10.99)" Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 02:20:37 -0400 From: Rex Patton Subject: Re: Other thefts Dave Mirich wrote: > What are other examples of blatant >"lifting" of songs or segments of songs? In regards to other thefts, an obscure but really obvious one is Ocean's "Put Your Hand In The Hand" which is a total rip off of Don Shirley's 1961 instrumental hit, "Water Boy." Another obvious one is the Eagles "The Long Run" which is just Otis Clay's "Tryin' To Live My Life Without You" with different words. Then there's Bob Seger's "adaptation" of Frankie Miller's "Ain't Got No Money" for "The Fire Down Below." --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:57:27 -0700 From: Gregg Luvox Subject: Re: Other thefts Dave Mirich wrote: > What are other examples of blatant >"lifting" of songs or segments of songs? Great topic to inspire posts, by the way. I must chime in to note Joe Jackson's appropriation of Badfinger's 'Day After Day' for his 'Breaking Us In Two' - although there might be a classical origin that I'm not aware of. Gregg Lopez --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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