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There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 188:

      1. Re: Eric Carmen
           From: Frank 
      2. Re: All By Myself
           From: Dan Hughes
      3. All By Myself (with a little help from Serge)
           From: "James F.  Cassidy" 
      4. RE: Eric Carmen
           From: Marc Miller
      5. Eric Carmen
           From: "Antonio Vizcarra"
      6. Pourin' Sugar On Ya
           From: "Donny Hampton"
      7. Re: Sugar Sugar
           From: Marc Wielage 
      8. Hawaiian Classics
           From: "LePageWeb" 
      9. Re: Jackie DeShannon demos
           From: "Peter Lerner"
           From: "Tom Gross" 
     11. Re: Really, they sing it in german!!!!!!!
           From: "J.H. Ket" 
     12. Eric Carmen's classical roots
           From: "Charles G. Hill" 
     13. Re: ERIC CARMEN
           From: "chris king" 


Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 01 07:58:21 +0100
   From: Frank 
Subject: Re: Eric Carmen

Although I can't remember now which one it is but "All
by Myself" was definitely adapted from a classical piece.


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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:08:53 -0500
   From: Dan Hughes 
Subject: Re: All By Myself

Dave sez,

>...I must assume that Eric
> lifted the song -- melody, chorus and all, from a
> classical composition written a few centuries before.

Yep.  Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto Number Two.  Shame
on Eric for not giving credit....


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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:26:04 -0400
   From: "James F.  Cassidy"
Subject: All By Myself (with a little help from Serge)

In response to David Mirich's question about "All By
Myself," Eric Carmen lifted the tune from the second
movement of Serge Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2.

Carmen also plagiarized ol' Serge on "Never Gonna Fall
in Love Again" (Symphony No.2, Movement III).

Jim Cassidy

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Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:39:23 -0400
   From: Marc Miller
Subject: RE: Eric Carmen

Dave -

>>I would be pretty sure this station would never play
anything apart from the classics (having listened to it
for many years). Therefore, I must assume that Eric
lifted the song -- melody, chorus and all, from a
classical composition written a few centuries before.<<

If my memory serves, it's Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano
Concerto (failing that, it's his 2nd symphony).  I'm
pretty sure I remember this correctly...


contains Rachmoninoff adaptation

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Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:47:22 +0200
   From: "Antonio Vizcarra" 
Subject: Eric Carmen

Hi Dave
"All by myself" by Eric Carmen is an adaptation of
Rachmaninoff second concerto. Eric used classical
melodies in other songs too.
Hope this helps.

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Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:16:15 -0000
   From: "Donny Hampton"
Subject: Pourin' Sugar On Ya

 "Mike Arcidiacono" asked:

> who purred "Im Gonna Make Your life So Sweet" on the
> Archies "Sugar Sugar"??

As you can read in my Spectropop essay about The Archies,
that voice belonged to the very underrated Ms. Toni Wine. 
Toni also shared lead with Ron Dante on "Jingle Jangle,"
despite what is stated in the Billboard Book of Number One

Don Charles

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Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 04:50:16 -0700
   From: Marc Wielage
Subject: Re: Sugar Sugar

Mike Arcidiacono" asked on the SpectroPop group:

> Can anyone tell me who the Girl Session singer was who
> purred "I'm Gonna Make Your life So Sweet" on the Archies
> "Sugar Sugar"??

You'd think that was a simple question.  It's been debated
quite a bit on the 1970s music discussion group,, over on Usenet.  (Despite
the fact that the song was released in the summer of 1969,
a lot of people consider it a Seventies hit. Go figure.) 
If I was a wise-ass, I'd say it was Veronica!  :-)

It's been argued for years whether or not it was Toni Wine
(co-songwriter of hits like "Groovy Kind of Love,"
"Candida," and several others), but nobody has ever been
able to really get the facts straight.  I asked Ron Dante
about it last year on his website, and he said it was, in
fact,  Toni Wine who did the backup vocals on that and
several other songs on the first Archies album.  He either
couldn't remember or didn't want to remember many of the

Here's what I said about the song in MusicTrax:

"The biggest bubblegum pop hit of all time, from the
1969-1972 CBS-TV cartoon show, produced by rock impresario
Don Kirshner. The uncredited lead singing voice of Archie
Andrews was Ron Dante (a/k/a Carmine Granito), later to be
Barry Manilow's producer during the 1970s, who also had
another Top 10 hit on the charts at the same time: "Tracy,"
released under the group name The Cuff Links. Dante did
virtually all the male voices on the Archies tracks, while
Toni Wine sang the female parts on this hit (though she
reportedly left soon after, over a royalty dispute).
Co-written by Andy Kim, who had his own solo singing
career during the same era. Later covered by Wilson
Pickett as a Top 30 soul version."


-= Marc Wielage      |   "The computerized authority   =-
-= MusicTrax, LLC    |       on rock, pop, & soul."    =-
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Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:45:56 -0000
   From: "LePageWeb"
Subject: Hawaiian Classics

Hi David,

You wrote:

> clear up Jamie's confusion at Carol Kaye's
> joke about "Tiny Bubbles": she was referring to the Don
> Ho hit of that name when inquiring, tongue in cheek,
> whether Eddie Hoh had a brother named Don. Good one,
> Carol!

But Carol never mentioned the song. What she actually
wrote was:

> Subject: "Hoh"?
> Does he have a brother named Don?   8-)

It was I who then referred to the song by replying:

> ...interesting thread on Fast Eddie (Carol -
> Tiny Bubbles???)

...which was supposed to mean "Good one, Carol" but I
guess I should have added a 8-) too! Sorry for the


Cheryl Jennings - thanks for clearing up the Eddie Hoh
question. Wonderful first-timer post, and the Jerry
Yester page you linked is just great! If any Spector fans
didn't check it out - it lists the following:

Phil Spector' Sessions #2
MFQ- The Love of a Clown / If All You Think 
MFQ- Every Minute of the Day / That's Alright with Me 
Phil Spector' Sessions #3
MFQ- Night Time Girl / Life Time  

Hmmm. I'd never before read about Spector involvement
on any other MFQ tracks except of course This Could Be
The Night. Can anyone offer any comment on these
listings in the Yester discog?

 Doc Mirich wrote:

> a classical composition written a few centuries before.

Well, exactly one century before to be nitpicky about it.
The second movement from Rachmaninov's 'Piano Concerto No.
2'is surely one of the most universally recognized
melodies ever. Rather odd that the Rachmaninov estate
didn't sue the pants off Carmen for it. Rachmaninov died
in 1945. At the time "All By Myself" was a hit (1976),
Rachmaninov works were still in copyright.  Interesting
topic. What other classical songs have been used in pop
songs? It's a gimmick that rarely works for me, but how
about Perry Botkin's "adaptation" of Tschaikovsky's "Dance
of the Sugar Plum Fairy" for "Lovers Wonderland" on
Phi-Dan? Now *that* one I am very fond of. 

All the best,


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Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:16:59 +0100
   From: "Peter Lerner" 
Subject: Re: Jackie DeShannon demos

"Phil Chapman" wrote:

> Listening to some Jackie DeShannon demos that are in
> circulation, I noticed that her versions of "Jimmy Baby"
> and "I Shook The World" are sung over the same backing
> track & backing vocals as on the Bob B Soxx & Blue Jeans
> album. There are some other titles that have that early
> Spector/Nitzsche/Gold Star sound, including "My Heart
> Keeps Hangin' On" which has some very familiar sounding
> backing vocals.
> Does anybody know the story here?

In reply in Phil's question, I have quite a few of
Jackie's fantastic demos on tape, and the note that came
with the listing (provided I believe by Sharon Sheeley)
says the musicians are Plas Johnson (sax), Leon Russell
(keyboards), David Gates (bass), Glen Campbell (guitar)
and Hal Blaine (drums). Darlene Love's voice is very
recognisable on backing vocals. If anyone would like to
look at the Jackie DeShannon Appreciation Society's
website they will be able to see details of 
CDs of these demos obtained from a European source.


Jackie DeShannon

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Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:27:27 -0000
   From: "Tom Gross" 

"Warren Cosford" wrote:
> Hi Folks:
> Here are some more memories of Custom Song
> Mixes for Radio Stations:
I have just joined this group, and thought I might add
some info to this topic. I have a 4 CD bootleg box set
>from Australia on Buddy Holly, and it features Buddy
singing jingles to Bob Theile & Murray Deutch (from his
record label) to the tune of "That'll Be The Day". They
are about 35 seconds long each, but you can get an idea
of his sense of humor. Others included have him singing
jingles for KLLL to the tune of "Every Day" & "Peggy Sue".
The Beach Boys also did many jingle promos, with some of
them variations of their records. 

Tom Gross

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Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:40:27 +0200
   From: "J.H. Ket" 
Subject: Re: Really, they sing it in german!!!!!!!

> I don't know how many other CDs are in this
> series featuring American and British singers doing their
> songs in German, or what tracks are on them (if anyone
> does, please share), but this is volume three. The
> overall series title is "1000 Nadelstiche," and this
> volume's subtitle is "Twist & Hully Gully," with the
> catalog number 16450.

During the last year, six cd's were released with
usa/uk/+some french & dutch artists trying to plough
through a german version of one of their (often) hits.
Their inexperience with that language, results mostly in
less satisfying recordings but also adds something nice
and innocent to the peformance. Bear Family released 3
cd's in a series "1000 nadelstiche" wich is accompanied
by a book with a complete discography and many stories
and photos. I've got no tracklisting. The other 3 cd's
are on the "Beat" label and it looks like a grey area cds.
They must have used first generation tapes.

The tracklisting follows:

Hans Ket

Really They sing in it german 1 !!!!!  Beat 002   
Twinkle   /   Tommy (german)
Springfield Dusty   /   Warten und hoffen (Wishin' and hopin')
Beach Boys   /   Ganz allein (In my room) 
Clark Petula   /   Downtown (german) 
Manfred Mann   /   Sie (She) 
Gall France   /   Das war eine shone party (Poupee de cire ..) 
Spencer Davis Group   /   Det war in Schonenberg 
Shaw Sandie   /   Du weist nichts von deinem gluck (Long live love) 
Neys de Rob   /   Nicht mal einem dollar (Greenback dollar) 
Polnareff Michel   /   Meine puppe sagt nein (La poupee qui fait non) 
Vartan Sylvia   /   Ja order nein (I'm leaving it up to you) 
Fame Georgie   /   Yeah yeah (german) 
Shapiro Helen   /   Komm sei wieder gut 
Merseybeats   /   Nur du allein (I think of you) 
Merseybeats   /   Nur unsere liebe zahlt (It's love that really ..) 
Springfield Dusty   /   Auf dich nur wart ich immerzu (I only want to ..) 
Richard Cliff   /   Rote lippen soll man kussen (Lucky lips) 
Richard Cliff   /   Sag no zu him (Don't tell him no) 
Celentano Adriano   /   Heya 
Vartan Sylvia   /   Mister Moonlight (Lalala) 
Richard Cliff   /   Zuviel allein (The lonely one) 
Shapiro Helen   /   Frag mich nicht warum (Tell me what he said) 
Faith Adam   /   Ich bin verliebt (We are in love) 
Lulu   /   Boom bang a lang 
Manfred Mann   /   Pretty baby weine nicht (Come tomorrow) 
Cogan Alma   /   So fangt es immer an (A lovers concerto) 
Sheridan Tony & Beat Brothers My Bonnie (german intro) 

Really They sing it in german 2!!!!  Beat 003   
Sedaka Neil   /   Crazy Daisy   /   
Sedaka Neil   /   So wie mein baby 
Supremes   /   Thank you darling 
Cash Johnny   /   In Virginia 
Gore Lesley   /   Sieben girls 
Sedaka Neil   /   Nur ein bild von dir (Pictures from the past) 
Cash Johnny   /   Wer kennt den weg (I walk the line) 
Cash Johnny   /   Viel zu spat (I got stripes) 
Sedaka Neil   /   Heute sind es traume (I must be dreaming) 
Supremes   /   Johnny und Joe (Come see about me) 
Cash Johnny   /   Wo ist zu hause Mama (Feet high and rising) 
Sedaka Neil   /   Candy 
Hyland Brian   /   Ginny oh Ginny (Ginny come lately 
Bare Bobby   /   Wilder wolf und brauner bar 
Gore Lesley   /   Little little liebing 
Everly Brothers   /   Wo sind die shone tage 
Hyland Brian   /   Du bist unvergesslich 
Tillotson Johnny   /   Oh eine tolle frau (Worried guy) 
Tillotson Johnny   /   Ich traume immer wieder von dir (Another you) 
Bare Bobby   /   Das haus auf der sierra 
Grant Earl   /   Jeder tag geht zu ende (The end) 
Supremes   /   Baby wo ist unsere liebe (Where did uour love go) 
Everly Brothers   /   Warum 
Hyland Brian   /   Shon war die zeit (Sealed with a kiss) 
Supremes   /   Moonlight and kisses 
Gore Lesley   /   Habe ich das verdient 
Gore Lesley   /   Nur du ganz allein (It's gotta be you)   

Really They sing it in german 3!!!!!   
Vartan Silvy   /   La chanson (german)  
Polnareff Michel   /   Love me please love me (german) 
Antoine   /   Ich sag was mir gefallt (Je dis ce que je pense) 
Honeycombs   /   Hab ich das recht (Have I the right) 
Neys de Rob   /   Das ich dich liebe (Because I love you) 
Lopez Trini   /   Bye bye blondie (german) 
Hep Stars   /   Komm little Thomm (german) 
Polnareff Michel   /   Ich will dich lieben (L'amour avec toi) 
Swinging Blue Jeans   /   Good golly miss Molly (german) 
Dee Joey ( Fats &his cats) Bitte bitte baby 
Antoine   /   Ich Antoine (Les lecubrations ..) 
Hep Stars   /   Die spieluhr (Musicbox) 
Gall France   /   Die shonste musik die es gibt (Music to watch ..) 
Leyton Johnny   /   Wann bist du bei mir (Duke) 
Shaw Sandie   /   Was kann ich dafur 
Swinging Blue Jeans   /   Das ist prima (Shaking feeling) 
Vartan Silvy   /   Nur ein lacheln blieb (Ballade pour un sourire) 
Shaw Sandie   /   Wiedehopf in mai (Puppet on a string) 
Honeycombs   /   Du solls nicht traurich sein (Please don't ..) 
Milly   /   My boy Lollipop (german) 
Dee Joey   /   Joey's party (german) 
Beatles   /   Komm gib mir dein hand (I want to hold ..) 
Neys de Rob   /   Ich nehm dich wie du bist (You got what it takes) 
Beatles   /   Sie liebt dich (she loves you) 
Lopez Trini   /   Michaela (german) 
Gall France   /   Samstag und sontag 
Lulu   /   Wenn du da bist 
Moustaki Georges   /   Ich bin ein fremder (Le meteque) 

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Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:26:06 -0500
   From: "Charles G. Hill" 
Subject: Eric Carmen's classical roots

Dr. Dave writes:

> I must assume that Eric
> lifted the song -- melody, chorus and all, from a
> classical composition written a few centuries before.

You assume correctly.  "All By Myself" is a reworking of
a theme from the third movement of Rachmaninov's Piano
Concerto No. 2.   And, apparently wanting to stay with a
good thing, Carmen swiped "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again"
>from Rachmaninov's Symphony No. 2....cgh

                   Charles G. Hill
Onion rings to bring them all, and in the oil fry them.

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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:58:45 -0000
   From: "chris king" 
Subject: Re: ERIC CARMEN

DAVID - You're spot on.  The original classical piece
is by Sergei Rachmaninoff & (I think) is Piano Concerto
no. 2 In C Minor Op. 18

I hope this helps, 
Chris Da Doo Ron Ron

>adaptation of Eric Carmen's "All by Myself."...Eric
>lifted the song -- melody, chorus and all, from a
>classical composition written a few centuries before.
>Dave Mirich

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