________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ The ORIGINAL HITS rerecorded by the ORIGINAL ARTISTS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ New! The Chantelles at Spectropop - Ian Chapman reveals the story http://www.spectropop.com/go2/the_chantelles.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 9 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 185: 1. Counterfeit Crystals From: "Phil Chapman" 2. Crystals recent CD From: Geri & John Clemente 3. Crystals and Fast Eddie From: "LePageWeb" 4. CDNOW Crystals From: Paul Urbahns 5. Hoh, Hoh, Hoh From: Rex Patton 6. CUSTOM SONG MIXES FOR RADIO STATIONS From: "Warren Cosford" 7. Chiffons From: John Clemente 8. Hoh boy From: Peter Tomlinson 9. Peggy=Jessica=Tiffany From: John Clemente ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:22:05 +0100 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Counterfeit Crystals > ... and who are those 3 women? These are Dee Dee's Crystals (as opposed to La La's). I think this is second time around (or more) for this disappointing reproduction. At least this time there's a picture of the actual vocalists! (Dee Dee is on the right?). The 1999 UK release featured a publicity shot >from '64, no credits and mis-spelt titles. The down side is that an opportunity has been missed: Dee Dee, after all, was an original Crystal, and managed to wrest the name from Phil - no mean feat! Contemporary samplers & recording techniques make Spector sound tributes a possibility, and this collection, whilst never being able to be the real thing, could have been much better. It is rather misleading to credit the mastering engineer, as this gives the impression that the material has been *re*mastered for stereo - something that many Spectropoppers long for. The up side is yet more proof that the material still appeals, and hopefully Dee Dee will have learnt from her early experiences and retained the publishing on the co-write that has been slipped in. In the UK there have been other worse 'Crystals' recordings. And for a while during the 70s & 80s it was not unusual to see an arbitrary trio of black girls performing one night as The Crystals, next night as The Ronettes, next as The Marvelettes and so on, even attempting the Supremes until Mary Wilson took legal action. I suppose this is a consequence of marketing a sound rather than an act. Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:38:57 -0400 From: Geri & John Clemente Subject: Crystals recent CD Hello All, The Crystals' CD offered for sale is the work of original member Dee Dee Kenniebrew, pictured at left. Supposedly, one of the younger ladies is Dee Dee's daughter, but I don't know how true it is. I've seen the young woman in the middle for a few years now, since the late 80s or early 90s. I didn't even have to listen. I am not a fan of some material being "updated". I'd rather hear them attempt something new. However, in Dee Dee's defense, she has almost singlehandedly kept the name of The Crystals before the public for over thirty years. This is her livelihood. Hopefully, enough fans will be interested in her new venture. John Clemente Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:52:57 -0000 From: "LePageWeb" Subject: Crystals and Fast Eddie I checked out the CD NOW site and listened to the samples. I love the internet! I know some people are big fans of re-recordings and collect them enthusiastically. There's nothing wrong with it I guess. However, in my experience I find nearly always the re-recordings to be disappointing at best. More typically they are shoddy, cheap knock-offs sometimes packaged in a way to deceive the consumer into thinking they are buying original recordings. The Crystals CD falls somewhere in the middle. The photo certainly is not of 60s teenage girls, so it's pretty obvious these are not vintage recordings, and a quick perusal of the track listing gives you an idea of what's in store (He's a Rebel "Club Mix"). One of the most offending things about these remakes is the updated arrangement. Whew! It's bad enough when they are shoddy re-recordings, but when someone thinks it would be cool to do them in a contemporary style, watch out! (Curt Boettcher's Here Comes the Night anyone???) Chapel of Love gets that treatment on this "Crystals" outing, but to my surprise I found it to be, well, pretty cool! Not that I would want to ever hear it again, mind you, but it did remind me that the song is timeless and it took the disco update well. I'll still take the Dixie Cups or one of Spector's versions though, thanks... By the way, interesting thread on Fast Eddie (Carol - Tiny Bubbles???) Looks like he wasn't a studio musician, really, but a road cat whose recorded work appears to be mainly post Monterey Pop (i.e., post-Spectropop-era). That's probably why Perry and Carol hadn't heard of him. I would say he was a rock drummer as opposed to a studio cat. From what I could tell through a quick check, he might do album tracks after Hal Blaine or Earl Palmer did the single. I found out he was a prominent part of the Al Kooper/Mike Bloomfield crowd and was the road drummer for the Mamas and Papas. Aloha, baby! Jamie Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:30:57 EDT From: Paul Urbahns Subject: CDNOW Crystals Ton wrote: > .. and who are those 3 women? > > I think they should have know better. Is it all for the > money or did they (the producers) think they could do it > better then Phil Spector? Ton, it is a fact of life that the Crystals are not receiving any royalty payments from Phil Spector and haven't for years. It is not unusaul for an artist to rerecord their hits so that they will will have something to sell at concerts. I don't know exactly who the three ladies are but the one on the far left may be an original member (I believe, please someone correct me) I have seen her appear with two other girls before as The Crystals. If Phil was either licensing material like most companies or if ABKCO made cassette and Cd releases in a variety of price ranges then this type of thing would not be necessary. Artists like to have a cassette or Cd of their hits to sell at concerts. Since the concerts are attended by casual fans the prices can't be too high, so cassettes need to have about 10 songs to fit a price range for concert sales. Lou Christie even sells a video at his concerts. So basically its a matter of the market. These are not the first remakes by The Crystals of some type. I have the original K-Tel remakes from the 70s, and a CD featuring The Crystals and Shangri-Las. The Shangri-Las cuts were original, the Crystals were remakes. Paul Urbahns Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:15:37 -0400 From: Rex Patton Subject: Hoh, Hoh, Hoh With regard to Carol Kaye's conjectures about Eddie Hoh, Hoh is definitely his name as he is listed prominently on all of the albums I mentioned. And the mistake in the Monterey booklet is definitely a mistake, as Al Kooper refers to Eddie Hoh in his own biography as 'Eddie Hoh, the Mamas and the Papas drummer, known as Fast Eddie.' I imagine that the person who interviewed him for the Monterey box set booklet misunderstood him and thought he said Hall instead of Hoh. I doubt he was known by the regular LA session players as he surely got the Monkees gig through their producer Chip Douglas who, according to Andrew Sandoval (who ought to know) played with Eddie in the Modern Folk Quartet. I can imagine he got the Mamas and Papas gig from his stellar playing on the Pisces, Capricorn, Aquarius and Jones Lp. Why he didn't get more work from it is hard to fathom. Mike Bloomfield chose him for the Supersession gig and I'd be curious to see where that connection came from. I hope we find out more. Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:15:11 -0400 From: "Warren Cosford" Subject: CUSTOM SONG MIXES FOR RADIO STATIONS Hi Folks: Here's some Radiopro List Member Memories of Custom Song Mixes for Radio Stations: Yea, I remember 95 KJR in Seattle back in 1978/79 with a customized rendition of "Fire" by the Pointers. The original went.."Im driving in my car/ I turn on the radio... They customized it to "Im driving in my car/I turn on to 95 KJR"... now that sounded HOT!! Russ McCloud Warren, I recall in 1987 Billy Idol's cover hit of Springsteen's "Hot In The City" included the cry... "New York" in the last third of the song. I did hear a version where Billy substituted "Vancouver". These special versions of hits are what helped separate radio from someone at home or in their car merely listening to (CD's) their own music. It gave radio a positive difference, which is what great air personalities do. John Oliver Hi: Though I can't recall anything new to add, one thing does come to mind, though not radio station, but market specific. Huey Lewis and the News 1984 single, The Heart of Rock n Roll fades out with a roll call of great rock n roll towns -Detroit, Cleveland, New York, etc. I remember Chrysalis released a special remix with Huey adding Toronto. I forget if that was before or after I kicked the control room door into his head during one of his many visits to Q-107. How was I suppose to know he was standing there? Lee Hi Warren, I also remember CKLW inserting "CKLW" in Fire by the Pointer Sisters just after the bit where they sing "I turn on the radio". I may even have that on an aircheck that I made when I lived in Windsor at the time. Two independent witnesses have confirmed that CHUM monkeyed around with the great Jane Morgan song from 1959 called "With Open Arms". There's a nonsensical choral refrain throughout the song that sounds something like "a-chick-a-chuck" or so. CHUM apparently spliced in their own little non-nonsensical message of " I listen to CHUM" or so during the refrain parts. I'm checking to see if I may even have that on one of my old CHUM airchecks. The winner for alternate versions of songs has to be Johnny Horton's Battle of New Orleans. He recorded two versions of the song, the alternate version from the British point of view in deference to the Queen who was visiting North America in 1959 to open up the new St. Lawrence Seaway. This ultra-rare recording can be identified by the label with the letter "C" in front of the label number. Kal Message: 7 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:08:32 -0400 From: John Clemente Subject: Chiffons Hi Everyone, Cool information, Tony! I didn't know that much went on during the recording of "One Fine Day". I made a mistake in not clarifying that the Cookies vocals were on the intro only, which would explain the slight dropoff in backing vocals as the first verse begins. Of course, in the world of 3 and 4 track recording back then, anything is possible. From what info Tony has given us, I'm sure this means that there are probably more unreleased Chiffons tracks somewhere! Regards, John Clemente Message: 8 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:07:20 -0400 From: Peter Tomlinson Subject: Hoh boy For a "road" drummer (as opposed to the famed LA studio trapsters, i.e. Palmer, Blaine, Gordon et al.) Eddie Hoh sure racked up the album credits. In addition to the ones listed in previous posts, he contributed notably to Barry Goldberg's underrated psych-blues-pop (!) BG Reunion lp ca. '68. He seems to have been a major component of the Goldberg/Bloomfield/Harvey Mandel axis that released a bunch of "jam"-oriented albums under various aliases around this time. And then he seems to have dropped completely from sight, save for this unfortunate postscript: I distinctly remember reading a letter from Mr. Hoh in Rolling Stone around 1970/71, warning readers against abusing drugs, specifically heroin, which he had gotten himself involved in during his period of greatest visibility. To escape it, he quit the music business and had moved out of LA -- way out, like to Iowa. From there, the trail runs cold. Great drummer with a nice, light touch though, esp. on Pisces, Capricorn etc. Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:40:52 -0400 From: John Clemente Subject: Peggy=Jessica=Tiffany Hello All, Recently, Martin Roberts wrote this in reference to the article on The Angels in "Girl Groups": Second time of reading Peggy's comment on "Dixie" I remembered a girl group version I had, digging around my 45's found it but it's not a version it is Peggy. Released as Tiffany Michel "Dixie" adapted & produced by Bob Gaudio For Four Seasons Prod.Co.,Inc, arr Artie Schrock. (Fabulous vocal performance & great production) MGM K13624 rel '66. B. side "Come Closer" Not noticed before but this is the same as Jessica James / Outlaws version. (Thanks to Mick Patrick's also excellent "Dyno Voice Story" I could play CD & 45 together) Only difference the Tiffany version lasts for a marvelous 47 seconds extra! Same label credits on both 45's. I sent this to Peggy of The Angels and this is what she wrote back: > I used to sing under the name Tiffany Michel when I > worked at the Bitter End in the late sixties. Fred > Weintraub was my manager and Bob recorded me. Recently a > friend told me about the Dynovoice CD and I have 3 > recordings on it as Jessica James and the Outlaws, but I > was disappointed that Dixie wasn't on it. When it came > out, it was banned it Boston and that made the company > reluctant to promote it. It is one of my favorites not > because of the content but the production and the way I > sounded.' Another cool tidbit to add to my notes for the updated version of "Girl Groups -- Fabulous Females That Rocked The World". John Clemente [ Admin note: Visit the Spectropop/Cha Cha Charming tribute page to John Clemente's "Girl Groups -- Fabulous Females That Rocked The World": http://www.spectropop.com/gg/girl.html ] End
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