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          The ORIGINAL HITS rerecorded by the ORIGINAL ARTISTS
   New! The Chantelles at Spectropop - Ian Chapman reveals the story


There are 8 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 184:

      1. Crystals/Metros
           From: John Clemente
      2. Recently released CD of The Crystals 
           From: Ton Borsboom
      3. Mystery Record
           From: Paul Urbahns
      4. Re: Chiffons
           From: "Tony Leong"
      5. Re: Sung call letters
           From: Scott 
      6. Re:  Eddie Hall
           From: Carol Kaye
      7. "Eddie Hoh"
           From: Carol Kaye 
      8. "Hoh"?
           From: Carol Kaye 


Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:07:50 -0400
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Crystals/Metros


In answer to Ton Borsboon's question about The
Crystals/Metros.  There were a few groups, both male and
female who held the name Crystals.  There was the
celebrated female group from Brooklyn, of course, but
before that, there was a trio of females from Brooklyn
(yes, Brooklyn) who recorded "I Do Believe" for Aladdin
Records in 1957.  I was told this by a studio singer who
knew them.  I thought they were a CA group.  When I did
research for "Girl Groups", I found out that Aladdin had
NY facilities.  This is how The Cookies wound up on Lamp
Records, the Aladdin subsidiary.  

There was also a Claudia & The Crystals who recorded for
Dore Records in 1961.  The male groups were The Crystals
>from New Orleans who recorded for Specialty in 1958, a
NY(?) group who recorded for Felsted in 1959, who may be
the same group or a variation of the NY group who
recorded for Luna/Deluxe before changing their name to
The Opals.  Cadillac (Gloria) Earl Wade sang with this
group.  Another Harlem, NY trio formed out of members of
The Cadillacs/Solitaires/Valentines recorded as The
Crystals behind Sam Hawkins for Gone Records. (Tired yet?)

The Crystals who were The Metros were a mixture of guys
>from The Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn, NY.  They first
recorded as The Crystals for MGM's subsidiary, Metro
Records, hence the name change.  They also recorded as
The Metros for Just Records, then changed their name
back to The Crystals, recording for Cub Records in 1960.
My good friend and singing buddy, retired NYC detective
Don Cruz was a member of The Crystals/Metros, singing
lead and 1st tenor.  Today, Don occasionally joins The
Chantels on stage, singing the old Richard Barrett part
on "Well, I Told You".  There is even a California
instrumental band called The Crystals who recorded for
Indigo Records in 1961.


John Clemente

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Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:48:16 -0000
   From: Ton Borsboom 
Subject: Recently released CD of The Crystals 

Did anybody listen to some of these horrible re-recorded
tracks? Unbelieveable that somebody did get the idea
(sorry for the word)to rape the original beautiful Wall
of Spector Sound!! 

... and who are those 3 women?

I think they should have know better.

Is it all for the money or did they (the producers) think
they could do it better then Phil Spector?

If you want to listen to some tracks (you better not do
it) check them out at

Appreciate any info on this very strange Crystals issue.


Ton Borsboom

The Crystals

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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:14:29 EDT
   From: Paul Urbahns
Subject: Mystery Record

Recently I acquired a 45 rpm extended play record
apparently made in the late 50s titled, Dick Clark
Presents "American Bandstand Favorites" Brought to you
by Cheerios. There is no indication who the
manufacturer is, but the matrix numbers are CH
1001/1002 respectively (My guess is this relates to
Cheerios). The strange thing about the record is Dick
Clark's [voice-overs] about the popular songs of the
"past 5 years" and mentions more than what is heard.
None of the ones heard are the original versions, but
rather a studio group (apparently) singing one verse
each of Sincerely, Rock Around The Clock, Honky Tonk,
Green Door, Butterfly, Don't Forbid Me, Back To School
Again, and Melodie D' Amour, as sound-a-likes in the
style of the original hits.

I don't have a record jacket or an old Cheerios box so
I am really lost at when and who did this record.

Any information is appreciated.

Paul Urbahns

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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:34:41 -0000
   From: "Tony Leong" 
Subject: Re: Chiffons

John Clemente wrote:

> There was also an East coast group named Ginger and
> The Chiffons who recorded "She" for Groove Records in
> 1962. 
> There are a few songs that the "He's So Fine" Chiffons
> recorded where Sylvia is missing (thanks for that info
> Tony Leong).  She is absent from their version of
> "Remember Me Baby" and she is absent from (!!!!!!!!!!)
> "One Fine Day", which explains why Margaret Ross of
> The Cookies told me that Cookies vocals are present on
> that single.  They sang the demo with Little Eva. 
> Cookies vocals were left in to pad the harmony. 
> Sylvia had a presence as second soprano and her vocal
> is sorely missed in "Remember Me Baby".  Pat and
> Barbara's voices blend much better with a lead singer
> in the background.

Hello Spectropoppers:

Leave it to John Clemente to discover another "Chiffons"
grouping (ie. Ginger and the Chiffons).  Of course, THEY
are not the great quartet that we all know!!  

About "One Fine Day", the Tokens originally had Sylvia
record the lead vocal whilst Barbara, Pat and Judy sang
the background.  Then, Sylvia's voice was replaced on
the track by Judy.  So yes, Sylvia was not on the
finished Laurie single, but Judy is on LEAD AND
BACKGROUND!!  I don't think that the Cookies voices were
even left on the track.  

Interesting note, Pat Bennett said she originally sang
lead (she had the alto) on "Mystic Voice", but later,
the Tokens had the girls sing in unison. Despite the
songs that are most associated with the Chiffons, "MY
BLOCK" RULES!!!(even though it was released as the 4
Pennies......)OK, so I'll throw in "If I Knew Then What
I Know Now"....Nuff said...

Tony Leong

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Message: 5
   Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:37:11 -0400
   From: Scott 
Subject: Re: Sung call letters

you wrote:

> > other songs edited for the inclusion of a radio
> >  station logo?  

I seem to remember the Carpenters doing one for KHJ that
centered around the opening of "Rainy Days And Mondays"

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Message: 6
   Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:44:15 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: Re:  Eddie Hall

> Monterey Pop Festival box set he's listed erroneously as
> Eddie 'Hall' on the Mamas and Papas page in the booklet).

Sharkey Hall's real name was Eddie Hall FYI ("Edward Hall")
- I don't think this is the same man as "Eddie Hoh", but
I have posts out about this to ones who may know.   

Carol Kaye

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Message: 7
   Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:23:07 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye
Subject: "Eddie Hoh"

Here's what Perry Botkin, prolific 60s studio 
producer/arranger in LA says about "Eddie Hoh":

> Eddie Hoh?  Never heard of him.  For a guy who didn't
> exist he sure was busy.

I wonder if "Hoh" is short for "Hall", that that name
got put down as Sharkey Hall's name was Edward Hall and
was that on the contracts....

Sharkey had the LA scene sewn up as #1 call drummer
here in LA about the time that Earl Palmer and Hal
Blaine got started (late 50s) and continued working
quite a few record dates afterwards and including live
shows, and even live jazz gigs later on.

He could play any style, has to be in his 80s now....he
would personally unload his drum kit, place it on a
rolling platform and bring in the studio, setting up
himself (he then charged for cartage), and he used to
wear a serape over his shoulder, a beret and dark
glasses (we all had to wear dark glasses to "see" in
the brightly-lit studios but with Sharkey, it was part
of his persona), a wonderful guy, and excellent drummer
who did a ton of hit recordings too.....he played his
share of jazz gigs in South Central and other parts of
LA too.  

Carol Kaye

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Message: 8
   Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:42:20 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye 
Subject: "Hoh"?

Does he have a brother named Don?   8-)  

Carol Kaye

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