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There are 9 messages in this issue of Spectropop.
Topics in this Digest Number 183:
1. The Metros aka The Crystals
From: Ton Borsboom
2. Chiffons
From: John Clemente
3. Re: Darlene Love (Darlene Wright) - Best Of album
From: Frank
4. Re: Darlene Love (Darlene Wright) - Best Of album
From: "Jan Kristensen"
5. Call letters
From: Ed
6. Re: Eddie Hoh
From: Andrew Sandoval
7. Re: Rock Flowers/Jeff Barry
From: "Chuck Mallory"
8. Re: Rock Flowers/Jeff Barry
From: "Donny Hampton"
9. Re: Eddie Hoh
From: Rex Patton
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:57:38 -0000
From: Ton Borsboom
Subject: The Metros aka The Crystals
Somewhere on the internet (can't remember where) I read
that The Crystals the same group of singers were as from
The Metros(!?), but The Metros had a male singer which I
find very strange. So my question is, were The Crystals
and The Metros the same group? Can somebody clear this
up for me?
I appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Ton Borsboom
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:18:16 -0400
From: John Clemente
Subject: Chiffons
Hello All,
In answer to Martin Roberts' queries re: Chiffons
Yes it's true that the Big Deal single was a chart item,
but it was a mild one at that. The pace of singles'
release back then was so fierce that by late 1962, it's
unlikely anyone would have even remembered that there
was a group by that name. There was also an East coast
group named Ginger and The Chiffons who recorded "She"
for Groove Records in 1962. Unless you can prove that
your seriously working under a name, it's hard to get an
exclusive trademark.
As far as the voices are concerned, the lead on the Big
Deal/Wildcat/Reprise Chiffons sounds the same, but is
DEFINITELY NOT Judy Craig. When I first heard them, I
figured it may be at best a yet untrained Sylvia
Peterson or Barbara Lee, whose unsteady lead is featured
on an album cut of "Why Do Fools Fall In Love".
Personally, I don't think much of those singles. But,
of course, this is my opinion. The only reason they
found their way into my collection is because I was told
they were the same group until I heard them and thought
differently.
Neither The Tokens nor Ronnie Mack, who by late '63 was
deceased, owned the name. Even if they thought there
was money in suing, Spinorama was a budget label owned
by Roulette (Morris Levy). I don't think anyone would
have dared sue. He was quite powerful in the business.
The clincher for the split between the two Chiffons
groups for me is that I was told point blank by Pat
Bennett that the Big Deal, et al Chiffons was not them.
There are a few songs that the "He's So Fine" Chiffons
recorded where Sylvia is missing (thanks for that info
Tony Leong). She is absent from their version of
"Remember Me Baby" and she is absent from (!!!!!!!!!!)
"One Fine Day", which explains why Margaret Ross of The
Cookies told me that Cookies vocals are present on that
single. They sang the demo with Little Eva. Cookies
vocals were left in to pad the harmony. Sylvia had a
presence as second soprano and her vocal is sorely
missed in "Remember Me Baby". Pat and Barbara's voices
blend much better with a lead singer in the background.
I hope this info is helpful.
Regards,
John Clemente
--------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 01 17:33:02 +0100 From: Frank Subject: Re: Darlene Love (Darlene Wright) - Best Of album Ton Borsboom wrote: >I cannot find "The Best Of" album by Darlene Love at any >oldies LP/CD shop and auctions. So I wonder if somebody >can tell me the track names from 1 to 29 Ton, It is Bobby Sheen on the rear cover and the track listing is as follows: 1 HE'S A REBEL 2 ZIP-A-DEE-DOO-DAH 3 HE'S SURE THE BOY I LOVE 4 JOHNNY 5 WHY DO LOVERS BREAK EACH OTHER 6 TODAY I MET THE BOY 7 CHAPEL OF LOVE 8 NOT TOO YOUNG TO GET MARRIED 9 WAIT TILL MY BOBBY GETS HOME 10 RUN RUN RUN RUNAWAY 11 A FINE FINE BOY 12 STUMBLE AND FALL 13 HE'S A QUIET GUY 14 A LONG WAY TO BE HAPPY 15 LORD IF YOU'RE A WOMAN 16 STRANGE LOVE 17 MY HEART BEAT A LITTLE FASTER 18 TOO LATE TO SAY YOU'RE SORRY 19 WHITE XMAS 20 MARSHMALLOW WORLD 21 WINTER WONDERLAND 22 XMAS 23 THAT'S WHEN THE TEARS START 24 HARD TO GET 25 I GOTTA TELL IT 26 BIG TALKIN' JIM 27 SON IN LAW 28 GOOD GOOD LOVIN' 29 WHAT MAKES LOVE Frank
--------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:47:50 +0200 From: "Jan Kristensen" Subject: Re: Darlene Love (Darlene Wright) - Best Of album The songs on "The best of Darlene Love" are: He's a rebel Zip-a-dee-doo-dah He's sure the boy I love Johnny (baby please come home) Why do lovers break each other's heart Today I met the boy (I'm gonna marry) Chapel of love Not too young to get married Wait 'till my Bobby gets home Run run run runaway A fine fine boy Stumble anf fall (He's a) Quiet guy A long way to be happy Lord, if you're a woman Strange love My heart beat a little faster Too late to say you're sorry White Xmas Marshmellow world Winter wonderland Xmas (Baby please come home) That's when the tears start Hard to get I gotta tell it Big talkin' Jim Son in law Good good lovin' What makes love Bobby Sheen is pictured on the back of the cover. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:27:42 EDT From: Ed Subject: Call letters > Anyway, does the assembled group remember other songs > that were edited for the inclusion of a radio station > logo? Around 20 years ago, the Pointer Sisters had a hit with a song "Fire"(written by Bruce Springsteen). Quite a few radio stations had their call letters added into the song, by the group. The song went "I'm driving in my car, I turn on the radio....", and, after that, is when the call letters were interjected. In fact, KRTH still uses their version, to this day. I'm sure that other oldies stations do too. Ed TODAY is the "TOMORROW" that we worried about YESTERDAY. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:06:35 EDT From: Andrew Sandoval Subject: Re: Eddie Hoh The Drummer "Fast" Eddie Hoe was really a man named Eddie Hoh! It is not a pseudonym for a more famous studio drummer. Eddie Hoh was a member of the MFQ and also featured heavily on Chip Douglas productions of the '60s (these include the Monkees album Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones, Ltd.). He also recorded with Michael Bloomfield, Tim Buckley and the Flying Burrito Brothers. Andrew Sandoval --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:22:38 -0600 From: "Chuck Mallory" Subject: Re: Rock Flowers/Jeff Barry Oh, my god! I have been reading this Rock Flowers stuff with interest, wishing I knew who there were. But when I read those lyrics, I remember exactly what this was. My sister had that one song, and the lyrics I remember were: I'm as happy as a lime floating in a boat of lemon ice cream I'm so glad to spend my time Singin' what I sing It's like a million daydreams Where do we go from here? Do we wait for the band to lead us? What are we gonna wear? The rest I can't remember! But the only reason I can remember so many of these weird lyrics is that it had the girl-group sound. Wish my sister and I hadn't gotten into an argument--she threw the doll at me and I broke the record in half! Cheers, Chuck --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:36:15 -0000 From: "Donny Hampton" Subject: Re: Rock Flowers/Jeff Barry Patrick Rands wrote: > >The colored singles which come with the Rock Flowers >have different songs than the singles/albums they put >out. The song Good Times is on all of them, and than a >different song for each doll. The songs are also more >cartoonish sounding than the more soulful albums - which >I think is great. Probably my favorite is Siny My Song >which starts out with the following lyric: > >"I'm as happy as a lime floating in a bowl of lemon ice >cream...." >and it gets more surreal from there :) >Here are the 4 songs co-written by Jeff Barry and Bobby >Bloom: >3 to get Ready >I Wish I Had a Monkey (my personal fave) >Your Music 'N' My Music >I Just Want To Make You Dance >This single came out on Mattel in 1971. Thanks, Pat! I recognize some of those song titles from my Jeff Barry song list, but I would probably never have found out who recorded them if it wasn't for you. This is great information. Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:15:26 -0400 From: Rex Patton Subject: Re: Eddie Hoh >Does anyone know which 1960's session drummer used >the name Fast Eddie Hoh? > As to your question about Eddie Hoh, I don't know that anyone "went" by that name, I believe it was his name and he was an incredible drummer. He played on the Kooper/Bloomfield/Stills Supersession album (the studio one), he appeared on a lot of Monkees records starting with the Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones album (he played on almost every cut and was very solid and inventive throughout) and the "Daydream Believer" single with his most outstanding work being on its flip side, "Goin' Down" - an amazing performance. He was also the road drummer for the Mamas and Papas (If you have the Monterey Pop Festival box set he's listed erroneously as Eddie 'Hall' on the Mamas and Papas page in the booklet). I've never seen him mentioned by anyone connected with the LA session players of the 60's, so I'm as curious as you are as to where he came from and went to. Rex Patton --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
