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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 4/9/98
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           Volume #0064               04/10/98
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    Subject:     Toys on Sundazed
    Sent:        4/9/98 4:08 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        David Marsteller, davebXXX@XXXXXXlin.org
    
    
    Has anyone got the reissue of The Toys "Attack" album on 
    Sundazed? I'm  thinking about getting it. Are the bonus 
    tracks worthwhile? And how is  the sound quality? I expect 
    it will be good, Sundazed generally is. Dave
    
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    Subject:     Bob Crewe Crew
    Sent:        4/9/98 1:26 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
    
    
    Doc Rock writes:
    >Off hand, the main confections I have for him are 
    >Billie and Lillie, Freddie Cannon, Four Seasons, Tracy Dey, 
    >Rag Dolls, Mitch Ryder, Bob Crewe Generation, Frankie Valli.  
    >What am I missing?
    
    How about Diane "Navy Blue" Renay?
    
    >And does anyone have any burning questions you'd like to 
    >have asked?
    
    I'd really like to know about the musicians he employed on 
    those early-to-mid sixties sessions.  Did he have a fairly 
    consistent crew that he came back to again and again, like 
    the "Wrecking Crew" people employed by Brian Wilson and Phil 
    Spector etc?
    
    Music To Watch Girls By by the Bob Crewe Generation is one 
    of my alltime favorite "wish I had it on cd" songs.  I have 
    a scratchy copy of the vinyl lp (the cover of which, in 
    depicting the all-blond all-hunky all-TabHunter band of 
    musicians along with BC himself, is like a recruitment add 
    for the Hitler Youth), but no cd.
    
    jack "all greasy, all balding, all oliveskinned, all paunchy" madani
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Bob Crewe interview
    Sent:        4/9/98 2:30 PM
    Received:    4/10/98 1:42 AM
    From:        FMYou, FMXXX@XXXXXXm
    
    
    
    <<And does anyone have any burning questions you'd like to 
    have asked?>>
    
    I'd like to know how his amazing song "Lady Marmalade" came 
    about, and perhaps what it sounded like before Allen 
    Toussaint got his hands on it.
    Frank Youngwerth
    
    
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /10/98 - 02 :00:04 AM ]---
    
    
    Subject:     Bob Crewe
    Sent:        4/9/98 9:09 AM
    Received:    4/10/98 1:42 AM
    From:        Big L, biXXX@XXXXXXmail.com
    
    
    >>In about 10 days, I will be doing an interview with Bob 
    Crewe.  Off hand, the main confections I have for him are 
    Billie and Lillie, Freddie Cannon, Four Seasons, Tracy Dey, 
    Rag Dolls, Mitch Ryder, Bob Crewe Generation, Frankie Valli.  
    What am I missing?
    
    >>And does anyone have any burning questions you'd like to 
    have asked?
    
    I have always wanted to hear the story behind "Music To 
    Watch Girls By." At the risk of offending Herb Alpert fans, 
    that cut (to me anyway) absolutely blew TJB out of the 
    water. So cool, so swinging. 
    
    I would also like to hear about his relationship with Bob 
    Gaudio, and which partner was responsible for what. 
    Together, they are responsible for some awesome music. Not 
    just 4 Seasons stuff, but Valli solos like "The Sun Ain't 
    Gonna Shine Anymore." I always thought Frankie's version was 
    a cover, until I saw the label and the writing credits.
    ==
    Big L                 
    
    
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    Subject:     French 60s
    Sent:        4/9/98 10:02 PM
    Received:    4/10/98 1:42 AM
    From:        Kieron Tyler, kierXXX@XXXXXXorg.uk
    
    
    Marie-J. Leclerc wrote about Francoise Hardy ' "Musique 
    Saoule", that one is particulary good, you can find on it a 
    duo with her husband JacquesDutronc'.
    
    Just thought I'd (in a picky frame of mind) point out that 
    Francoise Hardy never married Jacques Dutronc (although they 
    have a son) or anyone else for that matter as she has been 
    qouted as expressing that marriage is out of date.
    
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /10/98 - 02 :00:04 AM ]---
    
    
    Subject:     Mikado
    Sent:        4/9/98 9:44 AM
    Received:    4/10/98 1:42 AM
    From:        Steve McClure
    
    
    The discussion of French pop brings to mind a decidedly 
    offbeat Japanese male/female duo called Mikado who perform 
    ultra-kitchsy French-style pop that is so out there that it 
    verges on parody. Think of Pizzicato Five without the irony. 
    The artwork on their album covers matches the music -- 
    airbrushed, very cheesy -- like Pierre et Gilles, if you're 
    familiar with their work (maybe they actually did the 
    covers, I don't now). Anyway, I don't know very much about 
    Mikado, but I thought some of you fols out there in 
    Spectropop-land would like to know.
    
                        Awopbopaloobopalopbamboom,
    
    
                        Steve
    
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /10/98 - 02 :00:04 AM ]---
    
    
    
    Subject:     covers
    Sent:        4/9/98 4:04 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
    
    
    
    >I have been thinking about cover versions. In my
    >estimation, here are some that became "stand alone"
    >versions, maybe better than the original, certainly
    >different enough to consider them on their own merits:
    >
    >Go Away Little Girl - Happenings
    >Who Do You Love - Woolies
    >Light My Fire - Jose Feliciano
    >Tracks Of My Tears - Johnny Rivers
    >Walk Away Renee - Four Tops
    
    
    I believe that the Woolies record was the original version.  
    Also, you mentioned "Last Kiss." That, too, was a cover 
    version!
    Doc
    
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /10/98 - 02 :00:04 AM ]---
    
    
    Subject:     Leader of the Pack stereo mix
    Sent:        4/9/98 5:17 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        Jeff Glenn, Jeff_GlXXX@XXXXXX.nba.TRW.COM
    
    
            Reply to:   RE>Spectropop V#0063
    
    <My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new" 
    in The Leader of the Pack!!  I wrote thXXX@XXXXXXears ago, 
    when I first got it, but got no satisfaction. Otherwise, I 
    think the set is fine for what it is...putting all the BB 
    best songs in one place.	RB>
    
    I'm assuming the stereo mix of "Leader of the Pack" is 
    what's used on the Brill Building box (I'm not home right 
    now to check). This mix (missing the one line of the last 
    verse) is the original stereo mix as made back in the 60's 
    (I used to have a radio station various artists LP from the 
    60's that had the same mix). When I've seen this brought up 
    elsewhere (possibly in Goldmine) it was speculated that 
    sometime after the mono mix was made, but before the stereo, 
    the multitrack was damaged, and that the missing line edited 
    out of the stereo mix is where the damage was. Sounds 
    plausible, but I don't know if anybody's ever been able to 
    substantiate this for certain. If anyone has a full and 
    complete true stereo mix of "Leader of the Pack" I'd love to 
    be steered to a copy, but I doubt it exists.
    
    And as for hits where the cover has become a definitive or 
    at least a stand-alone version, the Beach Boys "I Can Hear 
    Music" is a no-brainer. The Jeff Barry-produced Ronettes 
    original on Philles is just plain lacking, whereas the 
    Carl-produced BB version is simply transcendant, with one of 
    Carl's best leads ever. But then you all already know 
    that!:-)
    
    Jeffrey
    
    
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 04 /10/98 - 02 :00:04 AM ]---
    
    
    Subject:     covers
    Sent:        4/9/98 1:19 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
    
    
    Big L said:
    >I have been thinking about cover versions. In my
    >estimation, here are some that became "stand alone"
    >versions, maybe better than the original, certainly
    >different enough to consider them on their own merits:
    >
    >Go Away Little Girl - Happenings
    >Who Do You Love - Woolies
    >Light My Fire - Jose Feliciano
    >Tracks Of My Tears - Johnny Rivers
    >Walk Away Renee - Four Tops
    
    >Anyone want to add to the list?
    
    What a neat topic!  Right away I can think of one, out of 
    the Motown stable:
    
    Heard It Through The Grapevine:  Marvin Gaye/Gladys Knight & 
    The Pips (plus, at the dawn of the seventies, a third cover 
    by CCR)
    
    > Or, what are the most pointless covers of all time?
    
    Recent Beach Boys recordings are more than a little guilty 
    of this phenomenon:  Several cuts on Summer In Paradise and 
    almost the entire Stars & Stripes album have no real 
    justification for existing.
    
    jack
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us
    "It is when the gods hate a man with uncommon abhorrence that they
     drive him into the profession of a schoolmaster." --Seneca, 64 A.D.
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    Subject:     Little Eva
    Sent:        4/9/98 5:16 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
    
    
    About Little Eva's "Sharing you." I'll bet it was the demo 
    Vee learned the song from, a la the Dimension Dolls LP of 
    demos!
    
    Doc
    
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    Subject:     Re: Spectropop V#0063
    Sent:        4/9/98 5:53 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        RGSauer, RGSaXXX@XXXXXXm
    
    
    In a message dated 98-04-08 14:22:23 EDT, you write:
    
    << From:        Michael Carpenter
     
     
     Hi folks...
     I'm a newbie here thanks to Jamie LePage. Looks like a lot 
     of fun. Some of you i already recognise.. ahh the power of 
     infamy, and the rest, i look forward to not getting too much 
     in the way until i know what I'm talking about.
     Catch A Wave
     Michael >>
    
    Me too to all of the above.  Thanks Jamie.
    
    Ron
    
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    Subject:     Re: Brill Building CD
    Sent:        4/9/98 10:08 AM
    Received:    4/10/98 1:42 AM
    From:        Marc Wielage, XXX@XXXXXXrax.com
    
    
    ELRON BEE <ELRONXXX@XXXXXXm> commented:
    
    >My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new"
    >in The Leader of the Pack!! I wrote them about it years ago,
    >when I first got it, but got no satisfaction. Otherwise, I
    >think the set is fine for what it is...putting all the BB
    >best songs in one place.	RB
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    I believe all of the stereo versions of this song are 
    missing this line for some reason.
    
    The BRILL BUILDING CD is the only widely-available CD I know 
    of that even has the stereo version at all; there are well 
    over three dozen others that have the complete mono version, 
    in varying levels of sound quality.
    
    But none of the songs on the CD are re-recorded "fake" 
    versions, which was my point.
    
    For more, check out Mike Callahan's BOTH SIDES NOW Web page.
    
    
    --MFW
    
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    Subject:     Leader of the Pack stereo mix
    Sent:        4/9/98 6:07 AM
    Received:    4/9/98 7:28 AM
    From:        RGSauer, RGSaXXX@XXXXXXm
    
    
    In a message dated 98-04-08 14:22:23 EDT, you write:
    
    << From:        ELRON BEE, ELRONXXX@XXXXXXm
      In a message dated 4/6/98 12:35:10 PM, you wrote:
      
     
     My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new" 
     in The Leader of the Pack!!  I wrote them about it years ago, 
     when I first got it, but got no satisfaction. Otherwise, I 
     think the set is fine for what it is...putting all the BB 
     best songs in one place.	RB >>
    
    My copy is the same. I have heard a couple of different 
    mixes of LOTP but never like that. I agree about all the BB 
    songs. Love that Earl-Jean. I like the Hermits, but when I 
    hear their version of "I'm into Something Good", I cringe.
    
    I took my first trip to NY a month or so ago. While walking 
    around my wife pointed out that we were passing the Brill 
    Building. I immediately fell to my knees and began to 
    worship. What a kick!
    
    Ron
    
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    Subject:     Leader of the Pack stereo mix
    Sent:        4/9/98 9:02 AM
    Received:    4/10/98 1:42 AM
    From:        Big L, biXXX@XXXXXXmail.com
    
    
    >>My copy is missing the line "my dad said find someone new" 
    in The Leader of the Pack!!
    
    There was a mix that deleted that line. I also have it on a 
    Dick Clark Greatest Hits of Rock compilation (8 track - yes, 
    I have a working 8 track. Does that say something about me?)
    
    It IS a very clumsy edit, and I can't for the life of me 
    figure out the reason behind it.
    ==
    Big L                   
    
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