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Spectropop - Digest Number 169

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                           in screamin' hi-fi 

There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 169:

           From: Mick Patrick 
      2. Re: Luxuria Interview now up in MP3
           From: Carol Kaye 
      3. Re: Sunshine Company
           From: Richard Havers
           From: "Warren Cosford" 
      5. Re: The One and Only?
           From: James Botticelli 
      6. Re: zombie petition update
           From: Jamie LePage 
      7. Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release
           From: "jeffrey.haynes" 
      8. Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release
           From: Efram Turchick 
      9. Re: Butterflys
           From: "Donny Hampton" 
     10. Re: Butterflys
           From: "Tony Leong" 
     11. Butterflys
           From: "Ian Chapman" 
     12. Butterflys
           From: John Clemente 
           From: "chris king" 


Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:17:53 +0100 (BST)
   From: Mick Patrick 


How lucky Spectropop is to have one of the original
LA studio greats as a member. And what a good memory
CAROL KAYE has. I wonder if the legendary bassist can
tell us even more about DEEP PURPLE . . . 

In MICHEL RUPPLI's book Atlantic Records: A Discography
(Greenwood Press, 1979) it is revealed that NINO & APRIL
recorded this track over three sessions on October 4th,
8th and 22nd 1962. I'm wondering if Carol played on all
three sessions. The book lists JIMMY HASKELL as
arranger/director. I don't think he got a label credit.
It's also interesting to note that it took nearly a year
for Atco to release the record. I'm sure our GOLD STAR
contact can illuminate further. Over to you, Carol . . .


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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:43:20 -0700
   From: Carol Kaye
Subject: Re: Luxuria Interview now up in MP3

A special thanks to Chuck Kelley for permission to use
this interview......he sent the
interview I did to my webman Ellis Heckman (who also
does the LA Jazz Society and Plas Johnson etc.sites -
thanks Ellis also) and the full 2 hour interview I did
for LuxuriaMusic for Chuck is now up on my website in
MP3 I'm proud to say. You'll hear me play both bass and
guitar, explaining many times what happened on this
record, that record that we recorded while playing.

There was quite a nice response to that interview and we
covered many subjects during the 2 hours on the air.
Demonstration by playing was one of the key elements in

Thanks again to the wonderful Chuck Kelley and Ellis
Heckman for this installed Interview in MP3.  

Carol Kaye
it's on the "LIBRARY" Page.

BTW,  this message is from Ellis Heckman, webmaster

> I really hate to get in a position where I'm
> recommending a Microsoft application when, just on
> principles, I keep trying to find other programs to
> REPLACE Microsoft applications around here. But Internet
> Explorer is a much better choice than Netscape. And
> Netscape has been bought up by AOL, an organization even
> more predatory, if possible, than Microsoft.
> IE really does work a lot better than Netscape and it
> supports mp3 mimes right out of the box.
> You still need an mp3 player.
> Windows ME comes with an mp3 player built-in, Windows
> Media Player. Microsoft, the evil empire, again. Windows
> Media Player works well because it tries to figure out
> the download speed and buffers the downloads before it
> starts trying to play them. Anybody shopping around for
> an mp3 player - and the web is full of them - should be
> looking for one that does this. A lot of them don't.
> Regards Ellis

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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:07:58 +0100
   From: Richard Havers
Subject: Re: Sunshine Company


You're right it is.

Check out what Greg Allman was recording with his band 
Hour Glass around this time. ( Nothing But Tears, Home
for the Summer or Love Makes the World 'round).

It was while he was living in LA.
Best Wishes


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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:06:53 -0400
   From: "Warren Cosford" 

> "My One & Only Jimmy Boy" STORMS! It blew me away when I
> first heard it and played it to death

If you loved that record.....then you may also love
another song recorded around the same time...... "He
Don't Love Me" by Shelley Fabares.  It was also on
Colpix, produced by David Gates and was the B Side of
"Football Seasons Over". 


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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:19:42 EDT
   From: James Botticelli 
Subject: Re: The One and Only?

In a message dated Thu, 17 May 2001, spectropop writes:
Signing off,
The One and Only, Jimmy Boy...
Jimmy Crescitelli

ahem...cough cough

Jimmy Botticelli

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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:57:57 +0900
   From: Jamie LePage
Subject: Re: zombie petition update

"Jennifer" wrote:

> well i just faxed some info to the VP of Music
> Programming at Vh1, who also happens to be a big Zombies
> fan and is now trying to get tickets to the Thursday
> show.

The VP at VH1 a Zombies fan? Trying to get tickets? Yeah, gullible do you think we are? ;-)

Actually, Jen, I can confirm that VH1's executive
vice-president of talent and music programming (RK) is
indeed a huge Zombies (Left Banke, Forever Changes etc.)
fan. I remember an incident at the Ritz Carlton in
Naples one night several years ago, after a long, long
dinner and far too much claret, he and I were sitting at
the lobby piano banging out Zombies tunes. We were
trying to get all the couples names right to Friends of
Mine and screwing them all up. Everyone else around us
thought we were nuts (an accurate observation). So if it
is RK that you're in contact with, please say hello and
give him my best wishes!

> He said a Behind the Music will not happen due to
> lack of large interest (he said the Badfinger special
> had the lowest ratings of the series!) 

Er, you may want to gently point out that Colin and Rod
are actually still alive, for Pete's sake.

> So i have revised
> my idea to more of a "storytellers" type show and hope
> to discuss the idea with him this week.

The angle of course is how they lost their deal at Decca
and financed the next record themselves, only to get it
released and then see it tank, then through a fluke get
a hit in US with "Season", etc.... Yeah, it's a very cool
R&R story about one of the greatest albums ever.

Anyway, you get an A for effort! I signed your petition.
The Jeff & Ellie one too. I'm a cynic and don't think
the petitions will do much good on their own, but I just
have to show support for these causes. Alec's work on
the Zombies has done wonders to elevate their status,
and O&O is now generally recognized as one of the best
albums of all time. Jeff & Ellie will eventually get
inducted into the R&RHOF, with or without Donnie's
petition, as will other deserving artists like Jackie
DeShannon and (N.B.) our own Carol Kaye. Still, when one
of our group organizes a movement in support of a
Spectropop era artist, you can always count me in.

Keep up the good work, and KEEP THE FAITH!

All the best,

Jamie (whose credit card is maxed out after buying all
those Ace "Where the Girls Are" comps last night)

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Message: 7
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:35:42 +0100
   From: "jeffrey.haynes" 
Subject: Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release

Joey Stec wrote:
>Sundaze Records has released a 3 box set of the
>Millennium begin and all master tracks of the ballroom
>and other songs and recordings we did between 1965 and
>1968.. they did an excellent job in packaging and
>mastering...this is all the real stuff and additional
>instrumental tracks of some of the tunes .... as a member
>i have to say that we all share in the release being
>probably the best and most complete of all.
>Good job Bob Irwin and the Sundaze Crew...
>Joey Stec
>[ Ed. note: Sundazed has full track info,
>some audio samples and order information linked at:

And, I have to say, its great: marvelous sound and
thoughtful track listing. I got it direct from Sundazed,
and they were quick and efficient. Check out their web


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Message: 8
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:51:00 -0400
   From: Efram Turchick 
Subject: Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release

Joey and Billy, thanks for the kind words about "Magic
Time," the Millennium/Ballroom box set!

I think David Bash will agree with me when I say that
it's been a real pleasure working with Joey and the
other band members on this collection. We'd originally
envisioned "Magic Time" as a 2 CD package, but, given
unprecedented access to Sony's vaults, we dug up such a
wealth of additional material and outtakes that we had
to get Sony's OK for a third disc!

As for Billy's question, we used Curt Boettcher's mono
mixes for "Just About The Same" and "Blight" because
Boettcher himself never mixed these tracks to stereo,
and we prefer to stick to his original vision.

More exciting news for Boettcher fans: our upcoming
Paisley Pop lineup this fall features his solo album,
"There's An Innocent Face," on CD!

Efram Turchick

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Message: 9
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:50:06 -0000
   From: "Donny Hampton" 
Subject: Re: Butterflys

"Charles G. Hill" quoted the notes to Taragon's Red
Bird/Blue Cat compilation (TARCD-1029):
>"The usually dependable Alan Betrock says that the
>Butterflys were another of Steve Venet's groups, and
>there's speculation that they were the same group who
>recorded as the Buttons for Ember Records with Venet
>producing.  There's another school of thought, though,
>that says that the Butterflys were actually Ellie
>Greenwich, or - at the very least - Ellie singing lead
>on the Latin-tinged 'Good Night Baby'."

The Butterflys were definitely not the overdubbed voices
of Ellie Greenwich, although I'd bet she sings background
on their tracks.  Jeff Barry confirmed that for me, but
didn't remember anything about them except that they were
a real group.

"Chuck Mallory" wrote:
>The Butterflys (also occasionally spelled Butterflies)
>were none other than the Jelly Beans!

Not that I'm doubting you, but I've never heard this
before. Care to elaborate? Elyse Herbert obviously wasn't
the lead singer on "Good Night, Baby."

Don Charles

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Message: 10
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:25:53 -0000
   From: "Tony Leong" 
Subject: Re: Butterflys

"Chuck Mallory"  wrote:

> The Butterflys (also occasionally spelled Butterflies) 
> were none other than the Jelly Beans!
> Chuck Mallory

Oops, sorry dude.  The Butterflys were not the Jelly
Beans.  There was a photo in a trade paper from
Christmas 1964 that had the photo of the 4 Butterflys,
but underneath, they were incorrectly identified as the
"Jelly Beans".  That photo and caption also appeared in
Alan Betrock's Girl Groups book. Also, Ellie may have
sang along with the Butterflys in the backgound
(especially the 5 part chime-off at the start of "Gee
Baby Gee"), but it has also erroneously been reported
that Ellie overdubbed all of the voices.  Believe me, I
know Ellie's '60's voice, and that is not her leading "I
Wonder" or "Good Night Baby".  Except for Mary Thomas
(the ex-Crystal), nobody seems to know the idenity of
the other 3 Butterflys.  Lala Brooks saw a photo of them
and recognized one of the girls in addition to Mary, but
Lala did not remember the girls name.  The Butterflys
were probably just a bunch of Mary's friends from
Brooklyn.  But the Jelly Beans were a whole other group........
Tony Leong

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Message: 11
   Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:38 +0100
   From: "Ian Chapman" 
Subject: Butterflys

The Butterflys were a group in their own right and Mary
Thomas of the Crystals was indeed a member.  I don't
know where the rumour that Ellie G. sang their leads
originated - one of those instances where an inaccuracy
appears once in print and gets recycled over and over
until it's assumed to be correct (like that other old
favourite "Ronnie Spector = Bonnie & the Treasures")

The confusion with the Jelly Beans arose from a '64
Christmas trade ad that Red Bird put in the music press,
which featured a pic of the Butterflys that was
incorrectly captioned as the Jelly Beans.  The ad is
shown in Alan Betrock's "Girl Groups" book.

The Butterflys' lead girl had a distinctive sound of her
own, and it's almost certainly she who also sings on the
Buttons record "Huckleberry Finn" on Ember (a great "Da
Do Ron Ron"-influenced record, by the way).  It'd be
nice to see her credited some day and the rest of the
group named too (over to you John Clemente?)

Footnote:  A late-60s UK girl-group called the
Butterflies (different spelling) had a one-off 45
release on President in '68 with a rather brash
re-working of the 50s chestnut "Love Me Forever", backed
with the rousing "He's Got Everything".


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Message: 12
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:40:31 -0400
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Butterflys

Hello All,

When I was doing research for Girl Groups, I was hoping
to have a chapter devoted to the Butterflys.  However, I
could not get in touch with Mary Thomas because both Dee
Dee Kenniebrew and Barbara Alston had misplaced her
telephone number.  Dee Dee did remember when Mary went
with the Butterflys.  She remembered the group,
describing two members, but could not remember any names.
They were more than likely The Buttons on Columbia,
produced by Steve Venet.  If anyone has any of the three
Columbia releases, a close comparison (in my opinion)
reveals the lead singer as being the same lead on the two
Red Bird singles.  I'm not familiar with the Ember
release, "Absence Makes The Heart Grow Fonder/Huckleberry
Finn".  With the addition of Mary, we can only speculate
that maybe one or two other members remained from The
Buttons.  Although there's been speculation, the lead is
definitely not Ellie Greenwich.  Ellie says no.  Plus,
Ellie's voice is unmistakable and the Butterflys' lead
doesn't sound like Ellie. (Trust yourselves, GG fans! 
Don't let there be another error like the "Tonight's The
Night" Chiffons fiasco!)   Also, The Jelly Beans were a
separate entity (sorry, Chuck).  They DID both have that
"New Yawk/New Jersey" sound.  The only inference to the
relation of those two groups is the ad in Betrock's book
that shows a trade mag mistakenly identifying the
Butterflys as The Jelly Beans.  Hopefully, I will
eventually speak with Mary Thomas so this can finally be
straightened out.


John Clemente

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Message: 13
   Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:51:50 -0000
   From: "chris king" 

Dear fellow girl group fans - Just a quick mail to let
those who might be interested that the May Da Doo Ron Ron
club night takes place on Thursday 24th May @ Buffalo
Bars (formerly Po Na Na), in Highbury, London.  Full
details below. Many thanks for your indulgence, kindest
regards, Chris D King

DA DOO RON RON - the original 60's girl group club

Thursday May 24th 2001 @ Buffalo Bars (formerly PO NA NA),
259, Upper Street, Highbury Corner, N1, London, directly
adajacent to Highbury & Islington tube stn 

Doors:-9pm - 2am

Admission:-Fiver / Four pounds with a flyer

DJ's:-Chris D King & Mark 'the poet' Norton spin the
finest femme-centric 45's from the likes of The Ronettes,
Lesley Gore, Chiffons, Shangri-La's, Dusty, Petula, Chris
Clark, Helen Shapiro, Velvelettes, Crystals, Aretha, Lulu,
Darlene Love et al

For more info, check out the Da Doo web site:- 

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