http://www.spectropop.com ________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ in screamin' hi-fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 169: 1. NINO, APRIL & CAROL KAYE From: Mick Patrick 2. Re: Luxuria Interview now up in MP3 From: Carol Kaye 3. Re: Sunshine Company From: Richard Havers 4. THE GIRLFRIENDS From: "Warren Cosford" 5. Re: The One and Only? From: James Botticelli 6. Re: zombie petition update From: Jamie LePage 7. Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release From: "jeffrey.haynes" 8. Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release From: Efram Turchick 9. Re: Butterflys From: "Donny Hampton" 10. Re: Butterflys From: "Tony Leong" 11. Butterflys From: "Ian Chapman" 12. Butterflys From: John Clemente 13. BOP BOP SOOKIE DOO WAH From: "chris king" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:17:53 +0100 (BST) From: Mick Patrick Subject: NINO, APRIL & CAROL KAYE Greetings, How lucky Spectropop is to have one of the original LA studio greats as a member. And what a good memory CAROL KAYE has. I wonder if the legendary bassist can tell us even more about DEEP PURPLE . . . In MICHEL RUPPLI's book Atlantic Records: A Discography (Greenwood Press, 1979) it is revealed that NINO & APRIL recorded this track over three sessions on October 4th, 8th and 22nd 1962. I'm wondering if Carol played on all three sessions. The book lists JIMMY HASKELL as arranger/director. I don't think he got a label credit. It's also interesting to note that it took nearly a year for Atco to release the record. I'm sure our GOLD STAR contact can illuminate further. Over to you, Carol . . . MICK PATRICK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:43:20 -0700 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Luxuria Interview now up in MP3 A special thanks to Chuck Kelley for permission to use this interview......he sent the LuxuriaMusic.com interview I did to my webman Ellis Heckman (who also does the LA Jazz Society and Plas Johnson etc.sites - thanks Ellis also) and the full 2 hour interview I did for LuxuriaMusic for Chuck is now up on my website in MP3 I'm proud to say. You'll hear me play both bass and guitar, explaining many times what happened on this record, that record that we recorded while playing. There was quite a nice response to that interview and we covered many subjects during the 2 hours on the air. Demonstration by playing was one of the key elements in this. Thanks again to the wonderful Chuck Kelley and Ellis Heckman for this installed Interview in MP3. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ it's on the "LIBRARY" Page. BTW, this message is from Ellis Heckman, webmaster > I really hate to get in a position where I'm > recommending a Microsoft application when, just on > principles, I keep trying to find other programs to > REPLACE Microsoft applications around here. But Internet > Explorer is a much better choice than Netscape. And > Netscape has been bought up by AOL, an organization even > more predatory, if possible, than Microsoft. > > IE really does work a lot better than Netscape and it > supports mp3 mimes right out of the box. > > You still need an mp3 player. > > Windows ME comes with an mp3 player built-in, Windows > Media Player. Microsoft, the evil empire, again. Windows > Media Player works well because it tries to figure out > the download speed and buffers the downloads before it > starts trying to play them. Anybody shopping around for > an mp3 player - and the web is full of them - should be > looking for one that does this. A lot of them don't. > > Regards Ellis --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:07:58 +0100 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Sunshine Company Jon You're right it is. Check out what Greg Allman was recording with his band Hour Glass around this time. ( Nothing But Tears, Home for the Summer or Love Makes the World 'round). It was while he was living in LA. -- Best Wishes Richard --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:06:53 -0400 From: "Warren Cosford" Subject: THE GIRLFRIENDS > "My One & Only Jimmy Boy" STORMS! It blew me away when I > first heard it and played it to death If you loved that record.....then you may also love another song recorded around the same time...... "He Don't Love Me" by Shelley Fabares. It was also on Colpix, produced by David Gates and was the B Side of "Football Seasons Over". WC --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:19:42 EDT From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: The One and Only? In a message dated Thu, 17 May 2001, spectropop writes: Signing off, The One and Only, Jimmy Boy... Jimmy Crescitelli ahem...cough cough Jimmy Botticelli --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:57:57 +0900 From: Jamie LePage Subject: Re: zombie petition update "Jennifer" wrote: > well i just faxed some info to the VP of Music > Programming at Vh1, who also happens to be a big Zombies > fan and is now trying to get tickets to the Thursday > show. The VP at VH1 a Zombies fan? Trying to get tickets? Yeah, sure...how gullible do you think we are? ;-) Actually, Jen, I can confirm that VH1's executive vice-president of talent and music programming (RK) is indeed a huge Zombies (Left Banke, Forever Changes etc.) fan. I remember an incident at the Ritz Carlton in Naples one night several years ago, after a long, long dinner and far too much claret, he and I were sitting at the lobby piano banging out Zombies tunes. We were trying to get all the couples names right to Friends of Mine and screwing them all up. Everyone else around us thought we were nuts (an accurate observation). So if it is RK that you're in contact with, please say hello and give him my best wishes! > He said a Behind the Music will not happen due to > lack of large interest (he said the Badfinger special > had the lowest ratings of the series!) Er, you may want to gently point out that Colin and Rod are actually still alive, for Pete's sake. > So i have revised > my idea to more of a "storytellers" type show and hope > to discuss the idea with him this week. The angle of course is how they lost their deal at Decca and financed the next record themselves, only to get it released and then see it tank, then through a fluke get a hit in US with "Season", etc.... Yeah, it's a very cool R&R story about one of the greatest albums ever. Anyway, you get an A for effort! I signed your petition. The Jeff & Ellie one too. I'm a cynic and don't think the petitions will do much good on their own, but I just have to show support for these causes. Alec's work on the Zombies has done wonders to elevate their status, and O&O is now generally recognized as one of the best albums of all time. Jeff & Ellie will eventually get inducted into the R&RHOF, with or without Donnie's petition, as will other deserving artists like Jackie DeShannon and (N.B.) our own Carol Kaye. Still, when one of our group organizes a movement in support of a Spectropop era artist, you can always count me in. Keep up the good work, and KEEP THE FAITH! All the best, Jamie (whose credit card is maxed out after buying all those Ace "Where the Girls Are" comps last night) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:35:42 +0100 From: "jeffrey.haynes" Subject: Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release Joey Stec wrote: > >Sundaze Records has released a 3 box set of the >Millennium begin and all master tracks of the ballroom >and other songs and recordings we did between 1965 and >1968.. they did an excellent job in packaging and >mastering...this is all the real stuff and additional >instrumental tracks of some of the tunes .... as a member >i have to say that we all share in the release being >probably the best and most complete of all. > >Good job Bob Irwin and the Sundaze Crew... > >Joey Stec > >[ Ed. note: Sundazed has full track info, >some audio samples and order information linked at: >http://www.spectropop.com/go2/curtboettcher_new.html And, I have to say, its great: marvelous sound and thoughtful track listing. I got it direct from Sundazed, and they were quick and efficient. Check out their web site! Jeff --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:51:00 -0400 From: Efram Turchick Subject: Re: The Millennium Box Set New Release Joey and Billy, thanks for the kind words about "Magic Time," the Millennium/Ballroom box set! I think David Bash will agree with me when I say that it's been a real pleasure working with Joey and the other band members on this collection. We'd originally envisioned "Magic Time" as a 2 CD package, but, given unprecedented access to Sony's vaults, we dug up such a wealth of additional material and outtakes that we had to get Sony's OK for a third disc! As for Billy's question, we used Curt Boettcher's mono mixes for "Just About The Same" and "Blight" because Boettcher himself never mixed these tracks to stereo, and we prefer to stick to his original vision. More exciting news for Boettcher fans: our upcoming Paisley Pop lineup this fall features his solo album, "There's An Innocent Face," on CD! Regards, Efram Turchick SUNDAZED...GEARING FOR GO IN ROARING HI-FI! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:50:06 -0000 From: "Donny Hampton" Subject: Re: Butterflys "Charles G. Hill" quoted the notes to Taragon's Red Bird/Blue Cat compilation (TARCD-1029): > >"The usually dependable Alan Betrock says that the >Butterflys were another of Steve Venet's groups, and >there's speculation that they were the same group who >recorded as the Buttons for Ember Records with Venet >producing. There's another school of thought, though, >that says that the Butterflys were actually Ellie >Greenwich, or - at the very least - Ellie singing lead >on the Latin-tinged 'Good Night Baby'." The Butterflys were definitely not the overdubbed voices of Ellie Greenwich, although I'd bet she sings background on their tracks. Jeff Barry confirmed that for me, but didn't remember anything about them except that they were a real group. "Chuck Mallory" wrote: > >The Butterflys (also occasionally spelled Butterflies) >were none other than the Jelly Beans! Not that I'm doubting you, but I've never heard this before. Care to elaborate? Elyse Herbert obviously wasn't the lead singer on "Good Night, Baby." Don Charles --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:25:53 -0000 From: "Tony Leong" Subject: Re: Butterflys "Chuck Mallory" wrote: > The Butterflys (also occasionally spelled Butterflies) > were none other than the Jelly Beans! > > Chuck Mallory Oops, sorry dude. The Butterflys were not the Jelly Beans. There was a photo in a trade paper from Christmas 1964 that had the photo of the 4 Butterflys, but underneath, they were incorrectly identified as the "Jelly Beans". That photo and caption also appeared in Alan Betrock's Girl Groups book. Also, Ellie may have sang along with the Butterflys in the backgound (especially the 5 part chime-off at the start of "Gee Baby Gee"), but it has also erroneously been reported that Ellie overdubbed all of the voices. Believe me, I know Ellie's '60's voice, and that is not her leading "I Wonder" or "Good Night Baby". Except for Mary Thomas (the ex-Crystal), nobody seems to know the idenity of the other 3 Butterflys. Lala Brooks saw a photo of them and recognized one of the girls in addition to Mary, but Lala did not remember the girls name. The Butterflys were probably just a bunch of Mary's friends from Brooklyn. But the Jelly Beans were a whole other group........ Tony Leong --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:38 +0100 From: "Ian Chapman" Subject: Butterflys The Butterflys were a group in their own right and Mary Thomas of the Crystals was indeed a member. I don't know where the rumour that Ellie G. sang their leads originated - one of those instances where an inaccuracy appears once in print and gets recycled over and over until it's assumed to be correct (like that other old favourite "Ronnie Spector = Bonnie & the Treasures") The confusion with the Jelly Beans arose from a '64 Christmas trade ad that Red Bird put in the music press, which featured a pic of the Butterflys that was incorrectly captioned as the Jelly Beans. The ad is shown in Alan Betrock's "Girl Groups" book. The Butterflys' lead girl had a distinctive sound of her own, and it's almost certainly she who also sings on the Buttons record "Huckleberry Finn" on Ember (a great "Da Do Ron Ron"-influenced record, by the way). It'd be nice to see her credited some day and the rest of the group named too (over to you John Clemente?) Footnote: A late-60s UK girl-group called the Butterflies (different spelling) had a one-off 45 release on President in '68 with a rather brash re-working of the 50s chestnut "Love Me Forever", backed with the rousing "He's Got Everything". Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:40:31 -0400 From: John Clemente Subject: Butterflys Hello All, When I was doing research for Girl Groups, I was hoping to have a chapter devoted to the Butterflys. However, I could not get in touch with Mary Thomas because both Dee Dee Kenniebrew and Barbara Alston had misplaced her telephone number. Dee Dee did remember when Mary went with the Butterflys. She remembered the group, describing two members, but could not remember any names. They were more than likely The Buttons on Columbia, produced by Steve Venet. If anyone has any of the three Columbia releases, a close comparison (in my opinion) reveals the lead singer as being the same lead on the two Red Bird singles. I'm not familiar with the Ember release, "Absence Makes The Heart Grow Fonder/Huckleberry Finn". With the addition of Mary, we can only speculate that maybe one or two other members remained from The Buttons. Although there's been speculation, the lead is definitely not Ellie Greenwich. Ellie says no. Plus, Ellie's voice is unmistakable and the Butterflys' lead doesn't sound like Ellie. (Trust yourselves, GG fans! Don't let there be another error like the "Tonight's The Night" Chiffons fiasco!) Also, The Jelly Beans were a separate entity (sorry, Chuck). They DID both have that "New Yawk/New Jersey" sound. The only inference to the relation of those two groups is the ad in Betrock's book that shows a trade mag mistakenly identifying the Butterflys as The Jelly Beans. Hopefully, I will eventually speak with Mary Thomas so this can finally be straightened out. Regards, John Clemente --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:51:50 -0000 From: "chris king" Subject: BOP BOP SOOKIE DOO WAH Dear fellow girl group fans - Just a quick mail to let those who might be interested that the May Da Doo Ron Ron club night takes place on Thursday 24th May @ Buffalo Bars (formerly Po Na Na), in Highbury, London. Full details below. Many thanks for your indulgence, kindest regards, Chris D King DA DOO RON RON - the original 60's girl group club Thursday May 24th 2001 @ Buffalo Bars (formerly PO NA NA), 259, Upper Street, Highbury Corner, N1, London, directly adajacent to Highbury & Islington tube stn Tel:-020-359-6191 Doors:-9pm - 2am Admission:-Fiver / Four pounds with a flyer DJ's:-Chris D King & Mark 'the poet' Norton spin the finest femme-centric 45's from the likes of The Ronettes, Lesley Gore, Chiffons, Shangri-La's, Dusty, Petula, Chris Clark, Helen Shapiro, Velvelettes, Crystals, Aretha, Lulu, Darlene Love et al For more info, check out the Da Doo web site:- www.dadooronron.org.uk --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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