________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ http://www.spectropop.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 6 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 148: 1. Re: Studio Shangs From: Billy G Spradlin 2. Back to 'Back To Mono' From: "Phil Chapman" 3. Keith and Evie From: Jill "Mingo-go" 4. Re: Project - 20 Rock Songs that changed society From: "Brian Davy" 5. 20 ROCK SONGS THAT CHANGED OUR SOCIETY From: Warren Cosford 6. Re: Lester Sill From: Carol Kaye ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:35:02 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Studio Shangs Also, is there a mono version of the > unedited "Leader Of the Pack" (with the band playing a > few more measures after the crash) available on any CD > as well? Tell me more, Tell me more......... I have the Taragon "The Best of Red Bird/Blue Cat" CD which has a stereo remix of "Leader" and it has a longer fadeout and tire screech than any other version I have heard before. Theres also an earlier stereo mix that has appeared on many VA oldies LP's that has the line "One day my dad said find someone new" strangely edited out. My guess is the master tape got damaged over the years and someone spiced the line out! There is an alternate stereo version of "Remember (Walkin' In The Sand)" with no echo and seagull sound effects, (on a K-Tel oldies compilation) and I have heard "Give Him A Great Big Kiss" in a alternate version with the killer "Is a good dancer?" part (which makes the record for me!) replaced with some gibberish about the "butcher baker, candlestick maker" instead (this take is on the Mercury "Greatest Hits" LP) BTW: Im having a hell of a time downloading the stereo Crystals MP3's. I keep getting unfinished downloads, and after 10+ tries Im about ready go to give up. I dont know the problem but it seems that Yahoo's Groups servers are so lagged out (from all the lousy porn groups) on the weekend and evenings. If anyone could e-mail them to me I would appreciate it! Thanks, Billy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:14:42 +0100 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Back to 'Back To Mono' mchlpiz wrote: > I have a cd version of the album River Deep > ........... Save The Last Dance For Me has > a completely different ending This is almost certainly a bootleg of the 1969 A&M stereo release which had slightly different mixes than the earlier unreleased Philles version issued on London-American in the UK (1966). "I'll Never Need More Than This" was added, and "You're So Fine" removed. I&TT's stereos are among the few of Phil's 60s productions that I think really benefit from stereo, the arrangements being so rich. The album credits are Jack Nitzsche, Gene Page, and Perry Botkin Jnr - does anybody know who did what? As for the box-set fading "Save The Last Dance For Me" before the original flamboyant orchestral finish: that *must* have been a 'creative' decision, and adds even more weight to the view that Spector had little to do with it. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:07:48 +0100 From: Jill "Mingo-go" Subject: Keith and Evie > Does anyone have any information on this fantastic, > unknown album from 1969 I only have the LP so it you don't have it, email me direct about info and I'm more than willing to sell it. Great cover, but I can't bear the music, despite the first Keith LP being rather tasty. I know nothing about the recording of this LP though. And as for Evie Sands with Belle & Sebastian..the track is "Landslide" and was written by Isobel Campbell from the group. There are plans to release it, and it is performed by Evie and the Belles. But apparently the hold up is around how to release it...as an Evie Sands release or a Belle & Sebastian feat. Evie Sands release. And...there is an ultrarare acetate of their hit "Legal Man" single, which if people on this list haven't heard, I suggest finding it...it's brilliant, which has Isobel singing "Landslide" on the B side. I, unfortunately, never got the acetate (for shame!!!! and they call themselves my friends!), but it's a rare gem. xx Jill "Mingo-go" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:55:20 +0100 From: "Brian Davy" Subject: Re: Project - 20 Rock Songs that changed society > From: Steve > I am currently working on a project regarding 20 rock > songs that changed our society, (not the performance or > performers but the music or record itself) e.g., The > Twist--dance craze, adults came to accept it, it became > a culture within itself, etc. Anyhow, I am seeking > suggestions for songs, I have selected 20 already but > really need to expand my horizons and see what other > people have to say. Thanks. This gives me chance to put forward my nomination for Most Influential Song of the 20th Century: Hey! Baby (Bruce Channel). Reason: back in 1962, a certain young aspiring rock singer & guitarist really liked the accompaniment on what we English call a mouth-organ, (played, rumour has it, by long-time country singer Delbert McClinton). Because of this, he went to his local music shop, bought a mouth-organ, and set about learning to play it. When this musician and his group went into the studio, he played his mouth-organ on the tracks that became the group's first two singles. Without the distinctive sound of the mouth-organ, those two singles would have sunk without trace, and the world outside Liverpool would never have heard of John Lennon or The Beatles. Brian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:56:53 -0400 From: Warren Cosford Subject: 20 ROCK SONGS THAT CHANGED OUR SOCIETY Steve wrote > I am currently working on a project regarding 20 rock > songs that changed our society, (not the performance or > performers but the music or record itself) e.g., The > Twist--dance craze, adults came to accept it, it became > a culture within itself, etc. Anyhow, I am seeking > suggestions for songs, I have selected 20 already but > really need to expand my horizons and see what other > people have to say. Thanks. IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER: 1) Rock Around The Clock - White Kids were tearing theatres apart 2) That's All Right Mama - Elvis's first record. Finally...a good looking White Kid singing Black 3) Hound Dog - Elvis's first most attention getting song. 4) The Way I Walk - A Jack Scott mid-Chart item in The 50's. But a "Punk Anthem" by Robert Gordon & by The Cramps 20 years later. Stands the "test of time" for Garage Bands. 5) The Beatles - You pick it 6) San Francisco (Flowers in your hair) Scott MacKenzie's Commercial for The New Pop Culture 7) Times They Are A Changing - Bob Dylan's Commercial for The New Pop Culture 8) My Generation - The Who's Commercial for The New Pop Culture 9) (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - The only Stones song worth playing forever. 10) You Lost That Lovin' Feeling-The Righteous Bros/Phil Spector record blew out my speakers the first time I heard it. Is it still the most valuable copyright ever? 11) Stairway To Heaven. You don't need a Hit Single Par 1 12) Born To Run. You don't need a Hit Single - Part 2 13) Layla. A Hit Single despite being "too long for Top 40" 14-20 - I've got to leave you with something to do. Warren Cosford Producer: The First Beatle Radio Documentary in Syndication (1970) Producer: The Only Radio Documentary on Elvis's Life authorized by him (1975) Producer: The Evolution of Rock....64 hours (1977) All are still in syndication. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:51:53 -0700 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Lester Sill > Lester Sill was the business end of the company whereas > Phil made most of the records. In the early days Sill > did authorize release of some non Spector productions > and they went no where. Paul, you're right, that was the style in those days to release as many as they could. I had the priviledge of knowing and working quite a bit for the great Lester Sill who taught so many the ropes in producing back in those days in Hollywood, he was a gracious but strong person (you had to be strong in Hollywood) but never once did I ever hear a disparaging word about Spector's handling of their partnership from him. It was after he had died that I heard some of these things and it made me angry...... Mr. Sill had helped and taught so many the craft of producing in the studios and if anyone should be given a lot of credits, he should. His sons have carried on in the record and TV business, and in fact I worked for one of them teaching someone elec. bass for the film "What Lies Beneath", and still very impressed with that family headed by the great Lester Sill who was hired by the way, later to head up the Jobete Publishing Co., which is the main work-horse of Motown's Berry Gordy who knew he could trust Lester Sill with the importance of re-uses, pushing the publishing to be a high-profile co. Mr. Sill is sorely missed by us all. What you said about the way he ran the co.for Phil Spector coincides with all the information I've heard about this too. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ PS. I have to say something about LuxuriaMusic.com too....Chuck Kelley did the finest interview I've ever done, his professionalism is so superior, I sincerely hope someone picks up this fine company headed by Chuck (who btw has the rights to the name LuxuriaMusic) somewhere else. I've done upwards about 1,000 interviews and no-one was as knowledgeable nor as fun to be with as Chuck, who btw did an excellent job with Brian Wilson too who also enjoyed Chuck Kelley. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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