________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Teenage Symphonies To God ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 8 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 139: 1. Brian Wilson/Smile From: Freya 2. Connie Stevens PS From: "Jack Madani" 3. Re: Keen Records From: bryan 4. P. Spector Box set. From: "GSPECTOR" 5. Re: Bobby Vee From: Carol Kaye 6. Re: Secrets From: "Brad Elliott" 7. re:: Dion From: Goran Kraft 8. Getting Oriented with Connie & Ronnie From: LePageWeb ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Freya Subject: Brian Wilson/Smile Firstly is there anyone here who could make me a copy of smile. I used to have a copy on tape but it's missing amongst all the turmoil in my life! Also what is anyone's opinion of the solo Brian Wilson material that came out? I'm much more a Brian Wilson fan than a beach boys fan, if you understand what I mean. Lastly, did anyone hear the BBC Radio 2 special on Brian Wilson. I was trying to fix my little radio thing and I knocked it out of tuning and when I was tuning it back in I came across the programme which was great because I had wanted to hear it. Did anyone else find it a bit annoying? It was great to hear bits of smile being played but people kept saying the most outrageous things and you could tell they were beach boys people and that they didn't understand Brian Wilson at all. They were saying that Smile was too elaborate and would have been a disaster anyway and that Brian was just too far into it. What utter rubbish. Smile would have blown everyone away. oh well. love Freya --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:56:02 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: Connie Stevens PS It just occurred to me, regarding "Little Miss Understood." I'll bet dollars to donuts there's a Perry Botkin credit, either songwriting or production, in there somewhere. Sure hope someone can either confirm or deny. jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:16:17 -0800 From: bryan Subject: Re: Keen Records Hi Carol, and all you Spectropoppers, I talked to Fred Smith on the phone (this happened because I ended up writing the notes to Del-Fi's Little Caesar & the Romans re-issue in '98). He was super nice....I really enjoyed talkin' to him. In fact, he lived right off Fountain, in West Hollywood, not far from Del-Fi's offices. Very talented guy... I've since written about a few vocal groups that Fred was involved with -- the Olympics for one -- for allmusic.com and it amazes me all the people connected with Del-Fi in one way or another...people like Jackie Lee (Earl "Chip" Nelson) and Barry White and on and on...It really seems that L.A. was such a small town back then, and everyone in the music biz knew each other on one level or another. Last year I spent most of my final days at Del-Fi helping Bob Keane (or Keene if you prefer) write his autobiography, and there's so many good stories...this will definitely be a book all of you will want to read if you wanna get an idea about the L.A. indie label music biz from the late Fifties and throughout the 60's... Bryan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 06:32:21 -0700 From: "GSPECTOR" Subject: P. Spector Box set. Greetings everyone. When I saw the question of: Should I buy the Phil Spector's "Back to Mono" set or try to buy the 45's? Which is better? I was very surprised with all the answers though most have said no (which is fine) and then explain what's wrong with the CD set from other songs fans wanted to favoring vinyl over CDs but not that the CD set is bad. I am sorry, but if the set is that bad that you could not recommend it to someone who just wants to start a quick collection, I wish someone would say so. I have both the CD and LP set and every Year I play the Christmas CD that comes with the CD set. I have about 5 copies of the Christmas LP but I prefer the CD because it is easier to program in my Stereo as well as my Computer. My point is this. My favorite car is the 1931 Rolls Royce Phantom II but I would not recommend it over anything on the road today because of practicality. I have always promoted my father's work because I like it regardless of the format as long as I can hear the music. Trust me, I never see any money for my efforts. Are all the fans here actually selecting the records over CDs because of quality or nostalgia? Just curious especially since record players are almost impossible to find new. I bought the last one in a Montgomery Ward 2 Years ago and it had a 5 CD tray. Haven't seen much since. After reading some of the comments, I get the feeling I would need to hit all the oldies stores and camp out on Ebay to get the kind of collections that were mentioned. I still think that the Back to Mono set shows enough variety to make it well worth the price then as the Years go buy pick up the 45's when you can. Well, here's to many more years of good tunes. >From the Keyboard of: Gary P. Spector Just because you're Rich, Does not make you Happy and Just because you live with someone, Does not make you close. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:41:49 -0800 From: Carol Kaye Subject: Re: Bobby Vee > Did Bobby Vee ever really get "respect" after his early > rock n roll success? Bobby Vee was one of many many similar-type singers we recorded for out here in LA in the 60s, nice guy....fairly good music....there was a lot of competition for his style of pop-singing tho'...there were quite a few of those types of singers out here in LA in the 60s we were recording for. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:28:40 -0600 From: "Brad Elliott" Subject: Re: Secrets Ian Chapman wrote: > BTW, does anyone have any info on the Secrets who > had a release on Red Bird 10076? I've never heard the single, but it ought to be straight teenage rock 'n' roll. The group is one of the first entries on the resume of Max Weinberg, drummer for Bruce Springsteen and the Conan O'Brien Show. Brad --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:16:59 +0200 From: Goran Kraft Subject: re:: Dion The re-issue program for Dion's 70's material is well on it's way on ACE records this year. And the very fine 3-cd box on Right Stuff just came out. Now we are just waiting for the four gospel albums that has never been released on CD. Goran Kraft --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:34:58 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Getting Oriented with Connie & Ronnie Jack wrote: > For a long time the only recording by Connie Stevens that > I knew of was "Lost In Wonderland," which if I remember > right was produced by David Gates. It's a swell little > slice of girlgroup Spectropop. Yes, David Gates, and yes, a swell little slice. > [Connie's music seemed] rather more like old fashioned > orchestrally-backed recordings of standards. I had that impression too. It is one thing that often separates female vocalists from the girl groups sound. With a few notable exceptions, female vocalists with a few great singles often recorded albums full of MOR covers. Girl Groups albums were often not much different, but they tended to stay in their genre. > ...her Hank Williams Songbook album, on the Globe > label...has a mess of bonus cuts that...all of a sudden > turn into gold. Cuts like Why'd You Wanna Make Me Cry, > Little Miss Understood, Now That You've Gone, and even a > groovy version of the classic They're Jealous Of Me... The examples you used to illustrate your point are brilliant! Thanks for those! It was with great delight that I heard Connie Stevens' Now That You've Gone, because I had only heard the song before on the (exceptional) 1995 album "Doopee Time" by the Doopees. I found out about the group when someone mentioned their cover of "How Does It Feel". The first time I heard this Ronettes cover I laughed out loud when lead vocalist Caroline Novac came in on the second verse. Anyway, I fell in love with Caroline and her vocal on Now That You've Gone, and since then I have wondered where the song came from. Now I know. Doopees arrangement is identical to Connie's version, recorded at the exact same tempo and in the same key. I guess they perfectly matched the tempo and key in order to fly elements from the original recording into their version, but I could be wrong about that. ;-) Here's someone else's review of the Doopees album I got >from Erik.Boralv's acid jazz list: > Doopies "Doopie Time" > Catalog #: Fun House FLCF-3594 > > Yann Tomita, wielder of steel pan and transistor radio > produces mysterious band "Doopies" led by the equally > mysterious "Caroline Novac". Its CUTE!!!! :) This is not > an "idol pop" cuteness, however, this is pure > unadulterated, unfiltered CUTENESS extract, just add > water. Doopies are the remedy for a country whose > appreciation for things cute is nearly religious, in an > era where "idol pops" are stigmatized by a very manic, > nerdy image, and the world around seems particarly > devious and anarchic, this rather odd album seems almost > abnormally sane. I don't know if I agree with all that stereotype about being cute, devious, anarchic or abnormally sane, but I do like the Doopees album very much. It is very, very strange (btw, the "correct" spelling is Doopees
). > Little Miss Understood...sounds like something that had > been meant for Lesley Gore, and Connie manages to sing it > exactly in the Lesley style, complete with doubletracked > vocals and darkly wobbly timbre on the low notes. When I > heard this song I thought, man, here's a track that got > shopped to Lesley who must have turned it down, so the > producers went to the B-list and got Connie Stevens. That's exactly what it sounds like! All the best, Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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