________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Produced in accordance with the most demanding standards ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 10 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 137: 1. Re: Green & Stone/The Cake From: Will George 2. Exploitation From: Stewart Mason 3. Re: Colossus discography From: Al Quaglieri 4. Re: The Cake From: Patrick Rands 5. Colossus label From: "Ian Chapman" 6. Bob Keane, Keen Records, and A&M From: "Randy M. Kosht" 7. pattern people non response From: Alan Zweig 8. What's Missing From "Back-To-Mono" From: Tony Leong 9. On the "other" Spector Box... From: LePageWeb 10. Boettcher Box set From: Jon Cook ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:44:28 EST From: Will George Subject: Re: Green & Stone/The Cake In a message dated 3/26/01 Spectropop Group writes: > Another hazy memory to share: Greene and Stone were > actually involved with Mac Rebbenack during the Beijing > of the Dr. John thing. I never knew Brian Stone, but > Charlie was as fast a talker as I've met. Aside from the > Cake (and Sonny & Cher, to some degree) he was working > with some pretty non-Spectorish acts,including Jerry > Williams (not Swamp Dogg) and another really talented > New Orleans songwriter who's name escapes me. Greene and Stone also worked with Jackie DeShannon in the late 60s, producing her classic "Laurel Canyon" LP, which Mac Rebennack played on. The only Cake song I know is Baby That's Me, which Jack Nitzsche produced. Real magic in those grooves. I'd love to hear the entire album sometime. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:31:49 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Exploitation Jimmy B says: > >There was some mention of "new members" in old groups, >etc as part of the Girl Group special on PBS...I've >already commented on that particular form of highbrow >exploitiation of pop culture to get peeple to dial with >dollars, so I'll let THAT be (thankfully, you say!). But >the book has yet to be written on groups consisting >entirely of new members carrying the old name only, more >than one touring group with the same name, illegitimate >usage of names of groups by part time former members and >fill-ins, and so on...Over the years I have heard >stories about The Drifters, Platters, Wilson Pickett, >three touring duos of Sam & Dave simultaneously, shells >of former selves, look-a-likes, yadayadayada....Comments >anyone?? There are few things sadder than a rock group on the state fair circuit. One that qualifies is a rock group on the Indian casino circuit. (I saw an ad for a band, I forget their name, that proudly announced that it featured "Former members of Molly Hatchet and Blackfoot!" Ouch!) There's at least half a dozen of these depressing edifices around Albuquerque, and some of them book entertainment along the lines of the groups Jimmy mentions. I try to write about these shows as much as I can for my local alt-weekly, especially if it's a group with a tenuous (or fraudulent) claim to the name. Based on my experiences with casino publicists, a good rule of thumb is this: the more obstreperous the publicist gets when you ask about the act, the fewer original members it has. They *know* when they've booked a con job, and they hate to get called on it. So when a questionable group appears near you, call up the venue and ask to speak to the PR folks. They will not be pleased to hear from you. Call every time one of these acts is booked and pretty soon, they're not gonna get booked there any more. I'm not gonna claim it's my doing, but I'm not seeing as many faux-Associations and semi-Crystals in the casinos around town as I used to. Stewart --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:17:35 -0500 From: Al Quaglieri Subject: Re: Colossus discography 101 Charlie McClendon - We're Gonna Hate Ourselves In The Morning/Thing It Is 102 Virgil Henry - I'll Be True/You Fooled Me 103 Apollos - When You Love Somebody/I Wasn't Born (Til The Day I Met You) 104 Ganip Ganop - Toot Toot Toot (Hear the Whistle Blow)/Hear the Whistle 105 Crawdaddy - Moment of Madness/Shake A Hand 106 Roadrunners - Woman Woman/ 109 Mythical Meadow - The Day Has Come/ 113 Jerry Ross Symposium - Ma Belle Amie/ 115 Virgil Henry - I Can't Believe You're Really Leaving/ 120 Paul Sylvan - Ophelia/Stop Making A Fool Of Me 121 unknown 122 Festivals - You're Gonna Make It/So In Love 125 Biddu - Sooner I Get To You/ 126 Devotion - Dawning of Love/So Glad You're Home 127 Jerry Ross Symposium - Venus/ 129 Bennett & Evans - No No You Don't Know/ 131 Maypole - Show Me The Way/ 133 Jerry Ross Symposium - First Love/Hope For The Best 135 Crystal Mansion - I Love You Baby/Earth People 136 Festivals - Baby Show It/Take Your Time 137 Carolyn Daye - I've Got You On My Mind/ 138 unknown 139 Tee Set - She Likes Weeds/ 140 unknown 143 News - Tend Your Own Business/Representing the Poor 147 Raul Danks - Mr. Sun/ 148 Cookie Woodson - I Can Hear You/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:26:02 -0500 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: The Cake Hello All; Funny that The Cake should come up this weekend - I just burned myself a copy of the second album by The Cake! I recently won it at auction and am spellbound by them. I first saw some video footage of them singing "You Can Have Him" in which the lead singer looked quite stoned. I then got the first LP - and while the soul recordings aren't the greatest - I think the Spector- like songs are great as well as the folk derived tunes. The folk tunes are medieval-sounding and have very interesting harmonies. The second lp (called A Slice of the Cake) has even more of the folk tunes, and a bit of the soul and as a whole makes more sense. These two LPs need to be compiled onto one cd! Patrick --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:04:43 +0100 From: "Ian Chapman" Subject: Colossus label > Toni-Lynn said: > I am trying to put together a discography of the 45s > issued on Jerry Ross' Colossus Label. Hi Toni-Lynn Couldn't find all the titles, but some of your missing numbers are:- 101 - Charlie McClendon - We're Gonna Hate Ourselves In The Morning/Thing It Is 102 - Virgil Henry - I'll Be True/You Fooled Me 103 - Apollos - When You Love Somebody/I Wasn't Born (Till The Day I Met You) 104 - Ganip Ganop - Toot Toot Toot (Hear The Whistle Blow)/Hear The Whistle 105 - Crawdaddy - Moment of Madness/Shake a Hand 106 - Roadrunners - Woman, Woman/??? 109 - Mythical Meadow - The Day Has Come/??? 115 - Virgil Henry - I Can't Believe You're Really Leaving/??? 120 - Paul Sylvan - Ophelia/Stop Making A Fool Of Me 122 - Festivals - You're Gonna Make It/So In Love 125 - Biddu - Sooner I Get To You/??? 126 - Devotion - Dawning Of Love/So Glad You're Home 127 - Jerry Ross Symposium - Venus/??? 129 - Bennett & Evans - No, No You Don't Know/??? 131 - Maypole - Show Me The Way/??? 133 - Jerry Ross Symposium - First Love/Hope For The Best 135 - Crystal Mansion - I Love You Baby/Earth People 136 - Festivals - Baby Show It/Take Your Time 137 - Carolyn Daye - I've Got You On My Mind/??? 143 - News - Tend To Your Own Business/Representing The Poor 147 - Raul Danks - Please Mr Sun/??? 148 - Cookie Woodson - I Can't Hear You No More/??? Couldn't find any listings for 138 or 140 or for the B-sides of 113 & 139 > Some of the overlooked gems (and not gems) are: > Devonnes -- lovely Philly girl soul sound a la the Three > Degrees. Shoulda beena hit! Agree with that! It *was* kind of a hit on the UK northern soul scene in the 70s, and the 45 was widely bootlegged. It recently got an official CD release, however, on the Sequel "Jerry Ross' Girls" compilation "Here Come The Girls Vol. 9". It sports a great pic of the Devonnes on the cover in silver miniskirts and boots, wielding tambourines and maracas. BTW, the Cookie Woodson track (148) is a solid version of the Goffin & King number with a powerful soul vocal. Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:26:21 -0800 From: "Randy M. Kosht" Subject: Bob Keane, Keen Records, and A&M In Spectropop issue 131, concerning the anticipated guest list at the Ritchie Valens tribute yesterday (3/25), and citing an A&M Records tie-in through Chris Montez and Bob Keane, I wrote: >Bob Keane also figures heavily in A&M's pre-history. I have since been contacted by a Del-Fi source that this was not the case. Bob Keane's autobiography, "The Oracle of Del-Fi," gives a detailed account of his involvement with Keen Records, and he had left Keen before Herb Alpert and Lou Adler came on board. So, I stand corrected. Best regards, Randy Kosht (A&Mania) Publisher, "A&M Records: The Discography" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:35:03 -0500 From: Alan Zweig Subject: pattern people non response Brian Chidester wrote: > >Anyone know anything about these two bands? No. But "Pattern People" is a great Jimmy Webb song done by the Fiffh Dimension. In fact this song gave me new respect for them. I wonder if the Pattern People did "the Pattern People". It could have been their theme song since the chorus goes "We're the pattern people ba ba ba ba..." AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 04:50:47 -0000 From: Tony Leong Subject: What's Missing From "Back-To-Mono" I've always felt that "Back To Mono" would have been more complete with the inclusion of the following cuts: Darlene Love: "Playing For Keeps", "Quiet Guy", "My Heart Beat A Little Faster", and "Johnny Baby Please Come Home" (on which Darlene practically sings duet with Cher wailing in the background). However, we all were treated to "Strange Love", one of those shouldabeen released cuts. And, is it my imagination, or was "Fine Fine Boy" crudely edited during the first chorus?? Ronettes: "Chapel Of Love" (my favourite version of the song, much more interesting than Darlene's or the Blossoms or whomever was singing in unison with her), "Everything Under The Sun", "Lovers", even though nobody knows who wrote that last tune!!! Crystals: "Please Be My Boyfriend". I couldn't tell which Crystal sang the lead on the song until John Clemente (girl group aficionado Supreme ((no pun intended))) reported that Barbara Alston was the star of that recording. Tina Turner and the Ronettes, Ellie, Blossoms, Edna Wright and whomever else was at the sessions: "Hold On Baby". And can you imagine the excitement of detailed session info (dates, back-up singers, overdub sessions) accompanying each track instead of the lyric booklet????? I can't begin to tell you how many of my "Spector-colleagues" ask "Does Cher sing on "Walkin In The Rain??", "Isn't Edna on "He's A Rebel" with Darlene and Fanita??" Wishing for too much, huh??? Tony Leong --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:26:46 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: On the "other" Spector Box... Jennifer wrote: > I was wondering how good the "Back to Mono" Spector box > set was. is it better to buy that or to buy the > individual cds? Hi Jennifer, Many have expressed disappointment with the state of ABKCO-controlled catalogs. We discuss this from time to time here, but no one seems to have a convincing reason why ABKCO chooses not to exploit its catalogs to maximum potential. Sadly, besides the early Rolling Stones and Cameo/Parkway, the Phil Spector catalog is under ABKCO's catalog management, This is so ironic, given that all three of these catalogs are rich with important recordings that would undoubtedly sell well in the collectors and oldies niche markets, if available - especially if presented with informative liner notes and credits. Today, ABKCO itself is losing the opportunity because superior collections of material, particularly from Europe, are already filling the gap. With P2P on the rise, people are bound to share unavailable versions, as well as originals, of works that are technically under ABKCO's control. In other words, Dave Clark might have had a point in the 80s, but in year 2001 the "value added" argument doesn't hold any water - at all. What is ABKCO thinking? There was a time, Jennifer, several years ago, when Rhino had a Spector box set slated. Here are a few notes from earlier discussion on the subject... At one point...a five CD Spector box [was planned for release in Japan by MMG. It] was pressed and ready to ship when Spector somehow stopped the release. MMG reportedly destroyed nearly all the copies although a few did survive. I have heard this set and the mastering is superior to the ABKCO set that was released a few years later. When the subject of this unreleased box set comes up, occasionally I hear people refer to it as the unreleased Rhino set. Paul Urbahns wrote: "Bill Inglot told me on the telephone once he was working with Larry Levine on a Spector set. Goldmine even ran an article on it and listed all the tracks. Bill told me Spector wanted everything, except for maybe some newer recordings by Darlene Love in mono. My memory is not good, but I think it was Inglot that asked Larry Levine to help since Spector is so hard to work with and he trusts Larry Levine. The Rhino set never came out...The ABKCO set is junk like most everything else they put out. But better than nothing. The individual artist Cds (Ronettes, Crystals, and darlene Love) credit mastering by Larry Levine and Jody Klein." --
A photocopy turned up of liner notes to the unreleased Japanese Spector box set we've been discussing. Here's the deal: The first page of the liners indicates: Moon Records (predecessor to MMG) contracted the rights >from Phil Spector International in 1987, but the box was not released because Spector kept changing his mind about the sequence and song selection. Originally the box was to be released in exactly the same format worldwide, but at the time of the writing of the notes (Sept. '89) Japan was the only country with release plans; even Rhino in the US had completely given up. Everything about the track selection, sequencing etc. was decided overseas (outside of Japan), and the only digital masters Moon had available were those Spector had designated for the box. Suggestions from Moon for additional or alternative tracks were met with silence >from Spector's organization. -- A few copies still exist of this box set, and those who have heard it unanimously acclaim its superiority to the ABKCO set. There is a picture of the unreleased box set at the following web page: http://www.spectropop.com/hspectorboot.html And finally, someone posted an interesting message to the BBS with several quotes from Larry Levine. For example: "When you equalize in digital the sound stays too clean and you don't hear any changes," Levine says. "We had to take the digital back to analog and put it through a tube amp to soften the sound. And then we went back to digital with it." For a lot more from Larry Levine (and many others) on Back to Mono, go to: http://www.escribe.com/music/spectropop/bb/index.html?bID=52 Regards, Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:43:27 EST From: Jon Cook Subject: Boettcher Box set Thank you to whomever brought this news to the newsgroup. I don't recall that person saying that the tracklisting is now on the Sundazed site, but it is. Sounds like a fantastic compilation- and reasonably priced to boot. Jon Cook [ http://www.spectropop.com/go2/curtboettcher_new.html ] --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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