________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ John Edmund Andrew Phillips Aug. 30, 1935 - March 18, 2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 13 messages in this issue. Topics in this Digest Number 131: 1. Vintage McCoy From: "Phil Chapman" 2. pop singers/"novelty" material From: "Jack Madani" 3. What did Dino Meano? From: James Botticelli 4. The Delrons From: Jimmy Crescitelli 5. Re: Spectors old car in dispute. From: "GSPECTOR" 6. Ed Cobb From: "Phil Chapman" 7. Re: Ed Cobb From: "Peter Lerner" 8. Re: BB remasters From: The Right Reverend Bob 9. Sonny Bono From: "Phil Chapman" 10. Sonny and Psychedelic ( a little OT) From: Jon Cook 11. About Ritchie Valens tribute on the 25th From: "Randy M. Kosht" 12. Pee B.S. From: James Botticelli 13. Dean Martin From: Paul Urbahns ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:36:16 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Vintage McCoy While searching through some old stuff for more Van McCoy tunes I came across a delightful track entitled "It's You" by Theresa Lindsey on Correc-Tone, produced by William Weatherspoon. It's a Barbara Lewis style vocal over a Motown backtrack. Any of you DJs out there know more about this? Phil --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:02:54 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: pop singers/"novelty" material > Most of Dean Martin's material on this show - and even > on the records I've heard - remind me of "novelty > material". I know I've asked about novelty material > before. But it's one of my obsessions I guess. Does > anyone know what I'm asking? I think I do, Alan. I think you're talking about the earlier material Dean did on Capitol, as opposed to the later Reprise stuff. The Capitol recordings do indeed veer more towards "novelty" status, as for example "That's Amore." I tend to think it was the record company jamming what they saw as ethnically appropriate material down the throat of their resident "italian" singer (who, if I have my timeline right, was seen at the time as a not too sure bet to make it as a solo singer). Kind of like making Marian Anderson, that beautifully trained operatic-type singer, record an album of "negro spirituals" because, um, well, because of her skin color. Cultural segregation--feh. It's as repellant as segregation of the racial variety. Anyhow. When he was singing a song I enjoyed, I could really appreciate the qualities of Dean's voice. It was quite unique. I can't think of another crooner of the era that sounded like him. It was almost bluesy. Agreed. Bluesy is a good way to put it--I myself often think of it as being "endearingly lazy." And yet it not *really* lazy--Dino knew what he was doing. The best Dino, to me, is either just him with his accompanist Ken Lane (who also wrote "Everybody Loves Somebody"), of which I wish I could get my hands on some of that stuff in cd form; or else it's some of that great, overproduced sounding stuff he recorded at Reprise, which tends to run very much in the style of Everybody Loves Somebody. In that case, you get these great wheezing 6/8 rhythms with the piano pounding out furious 16th note patterns, and the mixed-chorus backing singers going great guns ooh-ing and ah-ing it up, and the drummer (I used to think it was Hal Blaine but I guess it was Earl Palmer after all) whapping away at these weirdly simple yet compelling 8th note runs that grow in intensity like a latterday Manheim Crescendo, all so that Dino can sing like he could barely rouse himself off the barstool to make the session date. (I have a recording of Dino, I forget which tune it is but I think it's a Christmas-related number, where they left some of the studio chatter on at the beginning of the recording, and you hear Dino ask "what time is it? I gotta get a tattoo at 2:30." And of course the whole orchestra cracks up). Spectropop-wise, it's interesting to see all the familiar names that pop up on those Reprise dates: Ernie Freeman, Bill Justis, Billy Strange. And the door is still open to my heart, jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:03:38 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: What did Dino Meano? spectropop wrote: >Does anyone know what I'm asking? I think you are asking "did deano record any consistently great LP's" Well, yes there are two that I recommend: "Dino Does It The French Way" is the greatest LP he ever recorded IMHO, and his "Cha Cha D'Amore" LP is pretty Latino for Dino, pretty smokin' and sexxxy all the way through. I'll burn 'em up for you in about a week Alan Z...both came out on CD boots a few years back on the--Casa Nostra--label~... JB --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:04:05 EST From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: The Delrons Tony Leong is right when he labels groups like the Sisters and the Delrons as "underrated." Especially those Delrons: they have everything a great girl group needs to ensure immortality: excellent songs... one or two obscure albums... angst... wads of shifting members over the years... intrigue... lies and lawsuits... stolen identities... Did I mention great songs? Their lives would make a great movie. And I recently learned, and it may have been posted here, that the Delrons' Kathy Romeo was ousted from the group because she was "flat," not "fat." >From the 1964 St. Brendan's High School Yearbook (which has pics of all the girls in their bouffanted glory) is a picture of Kathy Romeo stacking chairs after an event in the auditorium. A friend of mine pencilled in: "Probably after one of Reparata's concerts for the entire student body!" Jim "B-Sides Can Be Nice, Too" Crescitelli --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:33:11 -0700 From: "GSPECTOR" Subject: Re: Spectors old car in dispute. Hello. I thought this group might find this article very interesting if you like old cars. If anyone has ever wondered what ever became of my fathers old Cobra (Pictured between pages 206-207 of Ronnies book "Be My Baby") here it is. The car has looked a lot better though I have only seen Black and White pictures of it. It was stored away before I came along. >From the Keyboard of: G. Spector Not just another P.S. fan. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:36:16 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Ed Cobb > Ed Cobb is also, "Edward All-American True-Heart, Albino > Cobb" of the always entertaining, Four Preps! > > The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of > the Harmonic Overdub ....thanks for that info, a true all-rounder! - here's a clip from one of the Four Preps' websites... ED COBB: Another original member - has carved out an enviable niche for himself in the entertainment industry since those early days at Hollywood High. He has produced, co produced or written records with sales in excess of 40 million, including such landmark hits as "Dirty Water," "Every Little Bit Hurts," "Sometimes Good Guys Don't Wear White," and the precedent-shattering "Tainted Love" which made musical history by gaining number 1 status in 17 countries. It remained on the Billboard best-selling chart for over 42 consecutive weeks and smashed the old mark set by "Rock Around the Clock," earning Ed one of his three mentions in the Guiness Book of World Records. In addition, his book, "Tainted Love", is textbook reading for the University of Hawaii. He's received 32 Gold and Platinum records for producing and/or sound engineering such artists as The Lettermen, The Standells, Fleetwood Mac, Steely Dan and Pink Floyd, been nominated for three Grammies and received two Record of the Year Awards for Sound. He's also been cited in Guiness as a breeder of World Record-breaking Appaloosa and Quarter Horses and was recently elected President of the Idaho Racing Commission. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:07:19 -0000 From: "Peter Lerner" Subject: Re: Ed Cobb Cobb and Mayorga seem either to have been, or to have been responsible for, those great early 60s Capitol instrumentals by the Piltdown Men. "Phil Chapman" wrote: > >"Heartbeat" was another throbbing near-miss, > >recorded with, oddly enough, producer Ed Cobb, who was > >more renowned for his work with garage-pop groups like > >the Standells and the Chocolate Watch Band. > > Ed Cobb should also be reknown for writing Brenda > Holloway's "Every Little Bit Hurts" and producing Ketty > Lester's "Love Letters" with that unforgettable Lincoln > Mayorga piano part. > > "Heartbeat" was also recorded by Dusty Springfield and > used for a short period to open the UK TV pop show > "Ready Steady Go". --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: The Right Reverend Bob Subject: Re: BB remasters To those of you who dislike David Leaf's original liner notes on the 2-fers, I give you David's own words on the subject. I said, "I see your notes are back in print with the 2-fer reissues, it's good to have both back in print!" His response, "I would have preferred, that they (Capitol), put out single cds, with LOTS, of bonus tracks. For the people who want the old ones, they can still get them from BMG, and at a used record store, and sometimes in the bins, anyway. I would have liked it better if there was something new on the market to buy!" David has also, in the not so distant past, (at the time of the release of what we referred to as the "pickwick" single disc reissues) expressed to me, " that I'm glad other people are getting a chance to write the liner notes, I'm tired of my words, I've written enough on the subject, and am starting to repeat myself." The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of the Harmonic Overdub --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:36:18 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Sonny Bono Billy G Spradlin wrote: > One of my all-time favorites that Sonny wrote for Cher > is "Where Do You Go", Same here! Sonny's arrangements were ryhthmically more inventive than Phil's, and although they didn't 'churn' the same way, they made interesting listening - slightly sloppier yet somehow more charming. When "Where Do You Go" was released I was so struck by the use of both quadruple and triple time concurrently (or so it seemed to me) that I enthusiastically took it into school to play to the music teacher, whose only comment was "..it's a bit crowded!". The down side for me on S&C records was Sonny's voice, and I find myself (even today) gravitating to one half of the stereo so as to hear less vocal. It's interesting that they used the same studio, mainly the same musicians, but different engineer. I thought the vocals always sounded 'removed' from the backtrack. This is something Spector got absolutely perfect. From a mix perspective, Sonny's tracks often got 'grabbed' by compressors when the bass guitar kicked in, particularly noticeable in "Where Do You Go" and "Sunny". That said, I still love all their recordings, my favourite possibly being "Have I Stayed Too Long" - does anybody know if there's a stereo version? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:05:22 EST From: Jon Cook Subject: Sonny and Psychedelic ( a little OT) After reading Stewart Mason's take on Inner Views, I have to say that he's already written a fitting review that sums up the album well. That backing track of Laugh At Me put to rest any concerns I had of Sonny being lightweight. Having Carol Kaye and Co didn't hurt, though. The liner notes seem to indicate that even Sonny didn't know what he was thinking when asked about this work later. I can't imagine too many list members being dissapointed by the CD. Still, my girlfriend is a 60s pop fan, but has a dislike for Sonny and Cher, especially Sonny's unique singing. "Revolution Kind" has the distinct power to drive her up the wall. Slightly off-topic , I have a great fascination for Psychedelic albums, especially those by artists who were already established in pop- Chad and Jeremy, Four Seasons, etc. I'm looking next to aquire the Tokens "Intercourse", which I only recently heard about. Does anybody know of others that they could suggest to me, besides the obvious Satanic Majesties and SF Sorrow? I'm learning a lot from this list BTW. Thanks- Jon Cook --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:14:25 -0800 From: "Randy M. Kosht" Subject: About Ritchie Valens tribute on the 25th This question's for Carol Kaye: About the Ritchie Valens tribute on the 25th, is that going to be public; i.e., are there tickets available, what time is it, etc.? I would love to see it to catch your remarks on Ritchie, and also on the chance Chris Montez might appear. My A&M Records "hobby" started when I bought my first LP, Chris' "The More I See You"; Bob Keane also figures heavily in A&M's pre-history. Best regards, Randy Kosht, A&Mania Publisher, A&M Records: The Discography P.S.: Anybody else into Chris' music might wish to check the discussion board at A&M Corner (formerly Rudy's Corner) -- go to http://www.amcorner.com/forums/am/ If Chris' 1968 album "Watch What Happens" (SP 4157) isn't already the Album of the Week, it will be any day now. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:58:31 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Pee B.S. spectropop wrote: >If anything, they should do the opposite -- FLOOD the >airwaves with the "high minded stuff" and then tell us, >"We're not showing the Girl Groups special until you >make a donation!" ;-) yeah....now yer talkin'... JB/"The Clintonian Legacy: Eight years between two Bushes" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:18:07 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Dean Martin AZ wrote: > The other night PBS showed a Dean Martin > biographical thing called "That's Amore" which > consisted almost entirely of musical performances > from his show. At some point he did this really > slowed-down version of "You're nobody till somebody > loves you" and it was the first time I ever liked > that song. Dean recorded two versions of the song for Reprise and I believe one for Capitol. The first version was on an album called Dream With Dean which is comprised of slow pieces accompanied by Ken Lane (his pianist on the TV show) Great stuff but of course its out of print now. He later recut the song with full orchestra and chorus and that wass the hit version. Paul Urbahns "a guy who misses the Dean Martin TV show" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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