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Weiss (Laurence/Larry, Donna and George David) From: Lindsay Martin ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:04:24 -0500 From: John Clemente Subject: Shangri-Las Group Hello All, The Shangri-Las group that tours the US is NOT, repeat NOT original in any way. The dark haired twins, Marge and Mary Ann Ganser, are dead. Mary Weiss, who was the lead singer, is not interested anymore, and has made that plain to many people. The only thing she agreed to was to an interview concerning the Brill Building for a documentary to be aired in August for A&E. Her sister Betty is also not interested. Many people have been fooled by this touring group, who does have some legal claim to the name. Many people have bought tickets to shows, thinking they will see originals. I have heard that they allude to that fact onstage without actually coming right out with it. It is highly unlikely, but unless the person in the group SAYS her name is Mary Weiss (Stokes) or Betty Weiss (Nelson), there are no originals in that group. John Clemente --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:22:00 -0600 From: Tom Simon Subject: The Shangri-Las David Marshall wrote: >There is a version of the group doing the circuit now. >Of course I can not remember the specific name of the one >original member touring. I saw them in a revue show this >past summer. Her daughter is singing many of the leads. > I talked to none other than Shadow Morton about this recently, who gave me an update on the recent whereabouts of the group. The Shangri-Las were from Andrew Jackson High School in Queens. Of course, both of the Ganser sisters have passed away. Betty Weiss is the only original Shang who performs regularly with the group that now makes appearances as the Shangri-Las. Also in that group is Betty's daughter, who does a very good job as lead singer, and one other girl. Original lead singer for the Shangri-Las Mary Weiss, who is Betty's sister, occasionally performs with this new group. You may recall that the original Shangri-Las had four members but often appeared at concerts and in publicity photos as a trio, reportedly due to "bad habits!" Tom Simon --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:20:15 -0000 From: "David Gordon" Subject: Re: I Stand Accused --- In Spectropop "Phil Chapman" wrote: > The Glories' "I Stand Accused" is yet another song of > that name, a rather lively precursor to their near-hit > "Give Me My Freedom" by the same writer (W.Levine). Thanks for the clarification, Phil. My memory must be going :-) David Gordon --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:21:46 -0000 From: "David Gordon" Subject: Tainted Love --- In spectropop, joe gillis asked: > > btw, who 1st did "Tainted Love"? Gloria Jones on Champion. Written/produced by Ed Cobb David Gordon --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:01:48 -0500 From: "Mike Arcidiacono" Subject: Re: "Dream Girls" Track Listing "John Frank" wrote: > There's a lot to be avoided here. But it's > well worth buying. Miss Cathy Brasher wrote the > songs she recorded and they're well worth hearing. And, Kathy's "I Remember Jimmy" is outstanding early 60s pop, in my opinion. One of my faves!!! Mikey --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:12:29 -0500 From: "Mike Arcidiacono" Subject: Re: "Dream Girls" Track Listing "John Frank" wrote: > "Dream Girls" seems to be a US release of a Japanese > comp series. John.....any idea where one could order this in the US? Mikey --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:22:13 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Re: "Dream Girls" Track Listing John Frank wrote: > "Dream Girls" seems to be a US release of a Japanese > comp series...What original series? Maybe "Gonna Get > Some Records"? I don't think it's "Beyond The Wall > Of Sound," since that set, for the most part, had > already been released in the US or UK, and is > heavier on the Spectorian girl group sound.... The track list you quoted is Volumes 1, 02 & 3 of the Dream Boy series released in Japan by the now defunct M&M label. The series is documented at the very bottom of the following Girl Groups page: http://www.spectropop.com/go2/girlgroups.html I had never heard of the "Dream Girls" reissue but it is similar to the "Touch the Wall of Sound" 2 disc reissue, in that it duplicates on 2 CDs the three volume set of the same name originally released on M&M in Japan. > It's a double-CD set, released on the suspiciously > "independent" CC label. It sports a disgustingly sexist > cover. Hmmm. I haven't seen the Dream Girls cover but the Dream Boy covers each sport a really cute illustration a "Dream Girl" against a pastel striped background. You can see them on the above-referenced web page. The illustration for Volume 3 can be seen in detail on the same page. > Miss Cathy Brasher wrote the songs she > recorded and they're well worth hearing. Yes. Not on this set is another Cathy Brasher song called "He Told Me He Loved Me" which is a direct rip off of "Then He Kissed Me," right down to the guitar lick. If anyone hasn't heard it it is an absolute must hear! Of the four or so tracks I've heard by Cathy Brasher, all are outstanding. Ray Pohlman arranged many of her records apparently. > I read somewhere she was one of the Murmaids. She certainly recorded at least one single for Chatahoochee, the label that also released the Murmaids. But the Murmaids were a Kim Fowley creation while Cathy seems to have been involved in the creative process as the writer of her own material. On the same page listed above I checked out the Murmaids links which say in part: Once 'Popsicles and Icicles' was recorded, the girls left for college. The record became a big hit (#10). Chatahoochee issued an unsuccessful single or two hoping to squeeze out another hit before the group broke up. The singles were unsuccessful and the Original Murmaids returned to college. Cathy Brasher and Yvonne Young among several other session singers were called in to keep recording as the Murmaids of 1966. Their final release, "Go Away" (b/w "Paper Sun"), was released on Liberty Records in 1968. > Ellie's "Cha Cha Charming" is a thrill and a must-have Yes, and I also recommend Sheila's Cha Cha Charming magazine, which is also linked at the above-referenced page. All the best, Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: 10 Mar 2001 20:27:09 -0800 From: Lindsay Martin Subject: Weiss (Laurence/Larry, Donna and George David) Phil Chapman wrote: > Ruby & The Romantics "Your Baby Doesn't Love You > Anymore". The only credit on my 45 is writer: "Weiss" I once became mildly obsessed with this songwriting credit, especially when it appeared in the form "Weiss-English", but I never did tie up the loose threads of what I found out, and eventually gave up. When I got on the Internet and started toing & froing between BMI & ASCAP I found numerous songwriters called Weiss, and it's possible I'm totally confused, but the gist of it seems to be: There's Laurence Weiss (AKA Larry) who, with Scott English, wrote "Hi-Ho Silver Lining" (Jeff Beck), "Help Me Girl" (Animals), "Bend Me Shape Me" (American Breed/Amen Corner), "Ciao Baby" (Lynne Randell in Australia/ Montanas and others in US) etc. Quite a nice little repertoire! Laurence/Larry Weiss also wrote "Rhinestone Cowboy"; I have a 45 of his own version. Scott English also co-wrote Barry Manilow's "Mandy", though not with Weiss. It started life as "Brandy", recorded by English himself, a hit in the UK. There's also Donna Weiss who has collaborated with Jackie de Shannon, with whom she famously wrote "Bette Davis Eyes". Both Donna and Laurence/Larry have songs listed at both ASCAP & BMI, with various collaborations. Questions I never answered: 1. Is Donna Weiss the songwriter the same Donna Weiss who sang on Joe Cocker's "Mad Dogs & Englishmen"? 2. Are Laurence/Larry and Donna related? (I was originally led down a false alleyway here by the liner notes of an Aussie Animals LP which credited "Help Me Girl" to Donna instead of Larry, so the connection may well be all in my own mind.) 3. Are either related to George David Weiss, who co-wrote the Louis Armstrong hit "What a Wonderful World"? (No reason why they should be; I guess I could ask the same idle question about the numerous other songwriters called Weiss!) Cheers, Lindsay --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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