http://www.spectropop.com ________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ A non-profit organization dedicated to the betterment of recorded music ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 11 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 111: 1. Re: Jonzin' From: Stewart Mason 2. Re: Screwed? And (Love Me) NOW From: Billy G. Spradlin 3. Me and Mr. Jonz From: "Jamie LePage" 4. Brill Building From: Jimmy 5. Re: The Attack From: "Phil Chapman" 6. Theee Millennium From: James Botticelli 7. Re: Theee Millennium From: "Ron Weekes" 8. Re: Curt Boettcher, The Ballroom, The Millennium, Sagittarius and Gary Usher From: "Ron Weekes" 9. Legal Mallory From: "K. K." 10. The Smoke From: Cedric 11. Re: current Spectropop music From: "Lou" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:45:23 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Jonzin' Paul MacArthur wrote: >Mr. Jonz responded with this: > >There were several early Temptations, Four Tops, >Smokey & the Miracles, Contours ... to name a few of >the releases.. Exact years? I don't have them >immediately available but Billboard reference books >circa 1960 - 1963 should reveal your answers. >Incidentally, "never" in the article was used >figuratively literally. I used the example to make a >point which I feel you missed. Translation: "I pulled that statement out of my butt and I had no idea someone would call me on it." The fact that the example *doesn't exist* makes his point a little suspect, doesn't it? Stewart --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:11:09 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Screwed? And (Love Me) NOW --- In spectropop, Stewart Mason wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble finding "(Let's Dance) The > Screw"? It's a shame, the song is far weirder than I'd > ever imagined, and remarkably wonderful. > > Stewart I had trouble... Another very strange girl group song is The Angels "(Love Me) NOW", the B-side of the very famous "My Boyfriends Back" (Smash S-1834) Someone (proably producers Feldman, Goldstein & Gottehrer) have added sounds of someome having a temper tantrum in the studio! (knocking over chairs, throwing cups, dishes, tape reels, even some recording equipment?!) I dont know if this was intentional to keep the song >from getting airplay, to "screw" over the publisher or just F G & G's joke. This version is not on the stereo LP (I dont have the mono version) or the "The Best of The Angels" CD. Anyone heard this? I'm sure someone else on the list has a original copy of this 45. Billy G. Spradlin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:09:03 -0000 From: "Jamie LePage" Subject: Me and Mr. Jonz Paul wrote: > "Giant Steps: A frank discussion of race and culture." > (This was [Radio & Records'] smooth jazz special > edition..... "Giant Steps" - "smooth jazz special"? Kenny G plays John Coltrane, perhaps? > Now we've got a generation of Eminems and 'N'Syncs, > while Boyz II Men are no longer important...That's a > major form of racism... So Boys II Men fall off the charts and that's racism. Glad he straightened us out on that! > The African-American executives...that preceded us > - Their contributions need to be acknowledged. > Jonz: In the early days of Motown you never saw the > artist on the album cover... Contributions of *all* the important execs that proceeded the current ones need to be acknowledged and this is no race issue. Cats like Creed Taylor were trained musicians first and foremost, not business or law school grads. That is more relevant than the color of an A&R guy's skin. Not to mention CTI would have been a better label to namecheck for "colorblind" album jackets in a jazz special. At least that example exists. But I guess Creed Taylor doesn't fit their agenda. He is, after all, white. Also, isn't it ironic that while moaning about lack of acknowledgement of black execs they themselves don't even come close to acknowledging Berry Gordy accurately. As John Rausch pointed out, Philles too would have been a better label to illustrate this (dubious) point. But there again you have a race problem. Crystals and Bob B Soxx are black, but Spector is not. What a load of rubbish. > Actually...a lot of it is less than insightful. LOL!!!!! Jamie n.p. Foundations - Build Me Up Buttercup --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:03:34 EST From: Jimmy Subject: Brill Building The Brill Building isn't about a location: it's a state of mind. There... that was my two cents' worth, and it came from the right side of my brain, so don't shoot me. : ) Jimmy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:10:54 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: Re: The Attack Jamie "Please Phil Spector" (writer: Mike Lendell) managed to find its way over to the UK as the flipside of "Washington Square" released on Philips BF1585 in 1967. The label credits production on both sides by M. Rashkow & J. Cymbal - A Mother! Production. I associate this record with another amusing but clever record around at the time by The Definitive Rock Chorale - "Variations On A Theme Called Hanky Panky" containing the line "I can't stand this song..." I think Ellie & Mike Rashkow were involved with this? Phil --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:35:41 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Theee Millennium Hi..I just scored my first LP by The Millennium (the one with 5AM on it). If these guys don't define soft rock, it doesn't exist (at least on first listen). Any other groups of this particular ilk to be recommended?? Or any other albums by The Millennium to watch out for?? Muchos Grat-See-Ya's James Botticelli --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:49:40 -0700 From: "Ron Weekes" Subject: Re: Theee Millennium James wrote: >Hi..I just scored my first LP by The Millennium (the one >with 5AM on it). If these guys don't define soft rock, it >doesn't exist (at least on first listen). Any other >groups of this particular ilk to be recommended?? Or any >other albums by The Millennium to watch out for?? Well, James..."Begin" by The Millennium was the only LP they released. I'm assuming you actually found the vinyl and not the CD. If it's the latter of the two, the Sony reissue from about 10 years ago is the basic album. In 98, Rev-Ola released the album again with about six single version tracks. Now on to other similar groups with the same personnel...Try finding Rev-Ola's "The Ballroom" CD. This was the precurser to The Millennium. Then of course you need to get "Present Tense" by Sagittarius. This is easy to get through Sundazed Records (www.sundazed.com). There are a lot of Japanese releases out now that deal with Curt Boettcher (the main impetus behind The Ballroom and The Millennium and Gary Usher (who with Boettcher were the main forces behind Sagittarius. Poptones in the UK released what the called The Millennium Quartet featuring a long awaited for Curt Boettcher CD, an unplugged version of The Millennium LP, and two solo LPs by Joey Stec and Sandy Salisbury. For a review of these, check out http://www.garyusher.com Dreamsville Records in Japan released slightly different versions of these last for CDs prior to Poptones. Dreamsville has just released Sagittarius' second LP "Blue Marble" as well as a Gary Usher produced symphonic tribute to Brian Wilson, and Curt Boettcher's "California" LP. I've heard a rumor that Poptones in the UK will be releasing these as well. Just stay tuned to this list and you'll hear more. Ron Weekes www.garyusher.com [ed. note: Curt Boettcher page at Spectropop: http://www.spectropop.com/hsoftcurtb1.html#start ] --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:18:08 -0700 From: "Ron Weekes" Subject: Re: Curt Boettcher, The Ballroom, The Millennium, Sagittarius and Gary Usher Billy wrote: >Are there any dates on these tape boxes or acetates? Dawn >Eden's liner notes say "We do know that the album was >nearly finished by November 7, 1966, when a work reel was >made, that it was completed by December 1, 1966 when a >mono master was made: and that at the time of its >completion the group had yet to attain a record deal". No dates on the acetates, but the dates on the tape boxes correspond to what Dawn Eden wrote in the liner notes. The tape boxes also mention that they were mono mixes and Curt was to be there for the final master at a different level. >I'm also wondering what "Spinning Spinning" is. An >instrumental version? Would love to hear it. One can only guess. > "5 AM" and "Spinning Spinning" are missing. 5 AM wound up on The Millennium's "Begin" LP with an added drum track. Who knows about Spinning, Spinning? >I hope they find some more goodies from the vault and get some >of Curt's productions like Lee Mallory's "That's The Way >It's Gonna Be" on (a legal) CD. I've never heard this missing track. So let's hope it surfaces legitimately. Glad to hear that Sundazed is releasing a Curt Boettcher box. Let's hope that someone stateside does some more Gary Usher material. Thanks to Dreamsville in Japan and Poptones in the UK...but come on, U.S. labels!!! Stephen McParland's third volume of his Gary Usher bio has been an interesting read thus far about working with Boettcher, Byrds, et. al. Ron Weekes www.garyusher.com --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:28:35 -0000 From: "K. K." Subject: Legal Mallory Billy wrote: > I hope they find some more goodies from the vault and > get some of Curt's productions like Lee Mallory's > "That's The Way It's Gonna Be" on (a legal) CD. In Japan, there is already a legal CD of Lee Mallory. If you go to Dreamsville, you can hear "That's The Way It's Gonna Be" and some others. http://www.d-ville.com/dv_records/leemallory.html 1. That's The Way It's Gonna Be (Bob Gibson/Phil Ochs) 2. Many Are The Times (Lee Mallory) 3. Take My Hand (Dick & Don Addrisi) 4. Love Song (Lee Mallory/Randy Naylor) 5. Wild Mountain Thyme (P.D. Traditional Ballad) 6. Come On In (Ode To the Be-In) (Lee Mallory) 7. Magic Land (Curt Boettcher/Lee Mallory) 8. Hey You (Lee Mallory/Joey Stec) 9. I'm Not Gonna Cry (Lee Mallory) 10. Magic Island (Lee Mallory) 11. Love Is A Four-Letter Word (Lee Mallory) 12. Puttin' It Together (Lee Mallory) 13. Talk About (Lee Mallory/Joey Stec) 14. Smile At Me (Lee Mallory/Joey Stec/Keith Colley) Produced by Curt Boettcher on Track 1 to 5 Produced by Lee Mallory and Curt Boettcher on Track 6 Produced by Curt Boettcher and Keith Olsen on Track 7,10 Produced by The Millennium on Track 8,9,11,12 Produced by Joey Stec and Lee Mallory on Track 13 Produced by Joey Stec, Lee Mallory and Keith Colley on Track 14 Engineered by Keith Olsen, Paul Buff Recorded at Original Sound Studios, Hollywood CA. 1967 thru 1968 Track 1 to 5 basic track recorded at Gary Paxton's, Hollywood, CA. 1966 thru 1967 Track 1 to 5 vocal track recorded at Columbia Studio D, Hollywood, CA. 1966 thru 1967 Lee Mallory: Vocals,guitar Sandy Salisbury: acoustic guitar, background vocals Joey Stec: guitar Curt Boettcher:Acoustic guitar,Vocals, Glockenspiel Mike Fennelly: guitar Doug Rhodes: bass, piano, organ, flute Ron Edgar: drums, percussion Randy Meisner: bass etc... Do you believe in magic? KK --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:40:41 -0000 From: Cedric Subject: The Smoke Hello Fellows I'm a french fan of the WCPAEB and i wondered how the Michael Lloyd's Smoke LP sound like. If anyone could told me about it, it would be great. Thanks. Cedric --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:41:03 -0500 From: "Lou" Subject: Re: current Spectropop music "Kingsley Abbott" wrote: > Over here in England it's sometimes tricky to stay up to > date with modern groups/soloists who are putting out the > sort of music that Spectropoppers really like, so could > we maybe add in news of good stuff as it arrives. Super idea Kingsley, especially since radio & video stations only seem to be sniffing around the reeking buns of the major labels and complying obediently (like the lap pups that they are) with a steady flow of product which is squarely aimed at a common denominator of an age group of 6 - 12 years of age. Don't get me wrong, as it has been said, every generation needs to throw their heroes up the pop charts. The only difference between the time we were elevating boy / girl singers, girl groups, American & British pop and R & B groups and now is the fact that our heroes also shared the charts with C & W, easy listening, jazz, comedy, etc. And the record industry still shakes its collective "noggin" and blames shrinking music sales on Napster! They just don't get it! Sorry about that rant ...back on topic My entry into Kingsley's what's new and worth a listen arena is The Januaries . Go here to listen & watch a Flash video for their song "Black Transmission" http://www.kochcan.com/koch/popular/New%20Releases/januaries.htm Or go to their record company's ( Food Chain Records ) groovy website http://www.foodchainrecords.com for more info. I think that you'll all be pleasantly surprised . -Lou --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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