http://www.spectropop.com ________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Never expose records to heat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 94: 1. (Blue) Orchids From: "Ian Chapman" 2. Rambling answers for Andrew & Phil... From: "Joe Foster" 3. Lesley Gore - Jack Nitzsche From: "Joseph E. Vine Jr." 4. Re:roaring sixties From: alan zweig 5. re: Peppermint Rainbow From: "Jack Madani" 6. Spector and Lennon From: Matt 7. Barry/Greenwich From: john rausch 8. 20's Revivalism From: DJJimmyBee 9. vo-dee-oh-doh From: Glenn Sadin 10. Re: retro retroness From: "Christine Beagle" 11. Winchester Cathedral From: "Kingsley" 12. vo-de-o-do/lounge/Goldfrapp From: lindsay_martin 13. Playlist for "Casa Nostra" 1.18.01 From: "James Botticelli" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:27:15 -0000 From: "Ian Chapman" Subject: (Blue) Orchids > And what a single it was - well, at least the B-side! > Soldier Boy, written by Orchids/Exceptions' lead > vocalist Georgina, is a killer! It can be found on the > recent Decca CD "The Girls' Scene", along with Orchids' > Oo-chang-a-lang. A must-have for girl groups fans. > > The CD is annotated by our own Ian Chapman, whose remarks > on the Orchids can be found at: > > http://www.spectropop.com/go2/orchids.html Jamie, Scott, You'll notice that Pamela of the Orchids mentioned some unreleased tracks in the "The Girls' Scene" liner notes. It transpires that the track they cut with Bert Berns was one of his own songs, "Just Like Mine", recorded in October '63. I asked her about the later Andrew Oldham session, and she said the song they cut was entitled "Society Girl". She wasn't aware that the US group the Rag Dolls had recorded a song of that title, but when I quoted the lyrics, she immediately recognised it as the same song. Pam clearly remembered the three of them riding through London in the back of Oldham's limo, giggling as they slid along the plush leather upholstery every time they turned a corner! I enquired after both of these masters, hoping to include at least one on the CD, but was told they couldn't be found. Exactly how hard they looked, I couldn't say. I still hold out hope that they might surface in time for a Girls Scene Vol. 2, should Universal ever decide to do one. The Oldham track in particular sounds intriguing one can't help but speculate how much, if any, of his ersatz Spector treatment he gave it. BTW, for "where are they now" enthusiasts, Pam is the headmistress of a school in Scotland, while Georgina apparently relocated to Canada. Valerie's whereabouts currently unknown. Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:46:08 -0000 From: "Joe Foster" Subject: Rambling answers for Andrew & Phil... Posted by Joe Foster on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Re the Millenium/Curt/Sandy/Joey 7" singles....numbered copies are still available on the Poptones website...btw apropos nothing..I found amongst my singles two versions of "It's My Party" by Richard Anthony...one in French, one in Italian....produced by Ivor Raymonde...each translation is not literal, but carries a different set of implications....pretty rocking all the same....the next batch of Poptones 7" singles will include a double A-side of Sagittarius' "In My Room" and Sandy Salisbury's "On and On (With Me Tonight)....as well as several other cool ones....check out the Cosmic Rough Riders in the current batch... Many of the Woolworths covers were supplied by the Embassy subsiduary of CBS/Oriole, now of course owned by Sony, who still have the masters in their Aylesbury vault as far as I can tell....perhaps someone should indeed do a comp...the last batch of Embassy records were budget albums including The Byrds "Mr.Tambourine Man" and Marmalade and Fleetwood Mac comps. released in the early '70's....ok, I'll get my coat.....Joe Foster --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:43:11 -0000 From: "Joseph E. Vine Jr." Subject: Lesley Gore - Jack Nitzsche >> "What Am I Gonna Do With You"— >>Definitely my very favorite Lesley >>Gore recording >The vocal on the Mercury Anthology (and ALSO, Rhino's >1998 "Best Of Lesley Gore: Sunshine, Lollipops & >Rainbows" and Demon-Westside's 2000 "My Town My Guy And >Me/Sings All about Love" 2-fer) sounds awfully HARSH to >me--and I'm not 100% certain it is the same vocal on the "Golden Hits" CD. >The Rhino "Best Of" CD credits NO arranger for Track 14 >'What Am I Gonna Do With You') yet Jack Nitzsche IS >credited as arranger on Track 17 ('Off And Running'). >The Demon-Westside CD booklet says: >"What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby) >Recorded in New York, July 23, 1965 >Written by Russ Titelman & Gerry Goffin >Arranged by Don Costa >And on the Mercury "It's My Party" Lesley twofer, it says >produced by Quincy Jones, with orchestra arranged >and conducted by Claus Ogermann. > >Costa? Ogermann? Each excellent arrangers in their own >right to be sure, but I'm sorry, ain't no way that track >was arranged by anyone but Jack Nitzsche. Still, the Demon-Westside CD notes were written by Malcolm Baumgart & Mick Patrick, two very trustworthy researchers with serious Spector credentials. Apparently two Lesley Gore sessions are involved: March 27, 1965 35170 Baby That's Me (Nitzsche-DeShannon) 35171 No Matter what you do 35172 Sunshine, Lollipops & rainbows 35173 WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH YOU 35174 All in the game 35175 Love look away 35176 Let It Be Me 35177 When sonny gets blue The March 27, 1965 session appears to have been arranged by Jack Nitzsche (Demon-Westside CD credits to 35170 & 35171 to Nitzsche) yet the 'My Town, My guy & Me' album SEEMS to otherwise contain cuts from the following session: July 23, 1965 36441 WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH YOU (Don Costa?) 36442 A girl In Love (Don Costa?) 36443 Just another fool 36444 My town, My guy & Me (Don Costa?) 36445 Let Me Dream 36446 Things we did last summer Does the Bear Family box set shine any light on these sessions/versions? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:26:55 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re:roaring sixties At 12:17 PM 1/22/01 -0000, LePage wrote >Subject: music hall nostalgia >$B!D(Bthe 60s music hall nostalgia > generally hasn't held up well; >I always skip over tracks like Hello, Hello >on Claudine's album. >I have a half-baked theory here. I think [it] may have >largely been about marijuana. First of all, Jamie, thanks for taking my question seriously. I guess I should be gracious and thank the rest of the people who replied. Nice to see so many posts. Nice to see the discussion happening. But I didn't really need to hear about Winchester Cathedral or other novelty songs, which I already knew about. It doesn't bother me when a novelty act plays a novelty song because chances are I'm not going to ever own the record. It bothered me with someone like Harper's Bizarre. In their case, they did so many of these novelty tunes that it almost seemed like they were actually a Roaring Twenties nostalgia novelty act who did a couple of pop tunes on each record to keep the company happy. I don't know about the marijuana connection but yeah, there are those folks who are always saying things like "The Seventies are just the Thirties with different hairstyles". And I do remember the nostalgia for the Roaring Twenties that happened in the sixties. And I guess I can understand the connection they felt. I was there too but I didn't feel it. Maybe I was just a few years too young to relate to what was cool about flappers and the Charleston. Were the Roaring Twenties the first time "youth culture" reared its ugly little head? Or was it something about the Twenties as a "revolutionary" period? Or maybe the Twenties was when white kids started to dance something other than the waltz. Obviously the Twenties nostalgia was partly a "marketing" phenomenon but I think "we the people" felt it too. I just wish the nostalgia had limited itself to fashion and not music. If they'd all grown handlebar moustaches, that would have been plenty. They didn't have to screw up the music. For me it's like there was a law that everyone had to cover "The Night Chicago Died" or "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" or some horrible thing that would cause you to jump up (and we weren't always ready to jump up) and kick the needle to the next cut. To this day I still can't believe they thought anyone would like that crap. There was obviously great music made in the period they were nostalgic for but the music that they were imitating was uptight and thoroughly ANTI-ROCK. I know this is a suspect thing to say on a list dedicated to "pop" music as opposed to rock n roll - but the sixties was partly about losing the line between black music and white music and here they were getting nostalgic for a music that was partly about keeping the black influences out. I think the real answer to my question is that a lot of these musicians - and the producers and arrangers they worked for/with - had NO IDEA what they were doing and they were just throwing everything against the wall and mixing everything together and hoping someone would salute to something. And that's how we got "psychedelic" music as well as this crappy vo-de-oh-doh stuff. After all, what IS psychedelic music anyway? (I was thinking about this the other day when I was listening to the 1910 Fruitgum Company's "psychedelic" album.) Can you take any song and "psychedelicize" it? Okay that's enough for today. Any longer and I'll just automatically launch into my anti-Ken Burns rant. AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:16:21 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: re: Peppermint Rainbow >"Will You Be Staying After Sunday" was out in the spring >of '69 -- if memory serves, Paul Leka wrote it(?). I >bought the single (on Decca); they also followed up with >"Don't Wake Me Up In The Morning, Michael," and there was >an LP. Yeah! I had that lp on 8-track! Am I nuts, or was there a version of "Green Tambourine" on there as well? My memory was that there was a lot of EdisonLighthouse FlowerpotMen sounding songs on there. A nicely serviceable album of studio-manufactured pop, as I recall. jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:41:47 EST From: Matt Subject: Spector and Lennon Hi everyone, Okay, this may just be a rumor, but my friend said he saw this in a magazine. He said that Spector is going to (or is at least in negotiations or whatever it's called) produce the new Lennon album...SEAN Lennon. Sean Lennon is an indie rocker now, heavily associated with the Beastie Boys and various other hip groups. My friend said that the article mentions that Spector had heard some demos and wanted to try his hand with them. Interesting, right? Can someone deny or accept this rumor? Matt --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:48:10 -0500 From: john rausch Subject: Barry/Greenwich Attention all Spectropoppers, I have just read and signed the online petition: "Send Jeff Barry and Ellie Greenwich to Cleveland!" $B!D(B hosted on the web by Petition Online.com, the free online petition service at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/jbeg/ I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider signing it yourself. John Rausch --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:47:54 EST From: DJJimmyBee Subject: 20's Revivalism First of all, that Zweig fella's nothin' but trouble! Everytime you have something well-fixed in your mind "along comes alan" and tries to shake it up. $B#I(B really hate that! ;:--/ ...But I just wanted to add two words to the discussion on vo-dee-o-dough..."Sopwith Camel" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:53:11 -0800 From: Glenn Sadin Subject: vo-dee-oh-doh >"alan zweig" wrote: > > > Spanky and Our Gang and Harpers Bizarre. Each of their > > records is almost ruined for me by songs that I can only > > describe as "vo-dee-oh-doh". Oldtimey, Rudy Vallee. They > > parody some barbershop Roaring Twenties song style. If > > you want, I can name songs. But they both do it and it > > drives me crazy. Who liked that stuff? What were they > > thinking? > >Why?: Very Simple......because record companies in the >'60s were always quick to exploit any genre that was a >hit for someone else. "Winchester Cathedral" was a HUGE >hit at this time, and was done in that 20s style, so >just about every other record compay tried the thing.... >........thats why!! And don't forget, camp humor was very much in vogue in the mid '60s, ie: Batman, Mrs. Miller, Winchester Cathedral, etc. You can also look at old timey as a "retro" fad in the '60s. The '20s were to the '60s what the '60s are to this decade. (What DO we call this decade, anyway?) Glenn Glenn Sadin Read about JAPANESE POP MUSIC from the 1950s thru the 1990s: http://home.earthlink.net/~glenn_mariko/nihon.htm --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:35:55 -0500 From: "Christine Beagle" Subject: Re: retro retroness From: Stewart Mason >other members of this scene included >The Temperance Seven and the early >lineups of my beloved Bonzo Dog Band, >whose first single was two old >vaudeville novelties, "My Brother Makes the >Noises for the Talkies" and "I'm Going To Bring >A Watermelon To My Girl Tonight." There were people >who played in all three of these bands at one time >or another.) Sometime in 66, the Bonzo Dogs were offered the job of being the New Vaudeville Band (Winchester Cathedral was recorded by session musicians... correct me if I'm wrong). Bob Kerr was the only one who left the Bonzos to do it. Apparently the remaining Bonzos became annoyed by comparisons to the NVB, which prompted them to change their direction more towards rock music. Fortunately, they never lost the dada-silliness. Roger Ruskin Spear's "Unusual" album from the 70's also has some terrific vaudeville sounding tracks. dada for now, Christine (still curious to know which song Lenny Bruce played on, >from the Spector box set) http://www8.bcity.com/brew/index.html homeless dog rescue of VA MD DC --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:00:34 -0000 From: "Kingsley" Subject: Winchester Cathedral Spectropoppers may be interested to know that the lead voice on "Winchester Cathedral" was none other than the wonderful John Carter, he of Ivy League, Flowerpot Men and First Class fame. The guys you saw in the picture and on TV were recruited after the song started to sell. As well as his well known and lesser known pseudonyms (Stamford Bridge, Kincade et al) he also sang back ups on The Who's "Can't Explain", Sandie Shaw's "Always Something...", Tom Jones' "It's Not Unusual", Jeff beck's "Hi Ho Silver Lining", Keith West's "Excerpt From A Teenage Opera", Herman's Hermits "Sunshine Girl", Chris Farlowe's "Out Of Time", Dave Berry's "Crying Game", Brenda Lee's "Is It True?" (which he also wrote) and loads more by the likes of Marianne Faithful, Cliff Richard, Paul Jones, Eden Kane and more. One of the nicest men in the business, he remains very active today, with two new compilations due soon on Japan's wonderful EM Records very soon. Kingsley Abbott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: 23 Jan 2001 00:15:29 -0800 From: lindsay_martin Subject: vo-de-o-do/lounge/Goldfrapp Listening to Goldfrapp's recent album, "Felt Mountain", and reading the discussion of vaudeville in 60s pop, I realised that this urge to raid musical styles of four or five decades ago persists today. The '60s recycling of vaudeville/jugband/trad jazz/tin pan alley of the '20s/30s reminds me a lot of the current practice of borrowing from what is now known as "lounge" or "space age" but which in my youth was what we often dismissed as Middle of the Road. I guess it just shows that good music transcends its genre, and will survive no matter what. Check out Groove Armada's "To the River", a wonderful dreamy track built around samples of a Patti Page (!) song, "Old Cape Cod". "Q" magazine put out a CD anthology called "Chill Out" last year. Some of the tracks, notably by Moby, Kenobe & Goldfrapp are seeped in the kind of instrumental & movie music that my folks used to listen to in the '50s & '60s. Ah, Goldfrapp (Alison Goldfrapp & Will Gregory)! Their music has so many references to music from my youth, John Barry's & Ennio Morricone's film music, for example, that it can hardly fail to grab me. I love "Felt Mountain", certain moments of which are spine chilling (and I'm the kind of guy who gets excited over discovering "What Am I Gonna Do About You [Hey Baby]" in multiple versions via Spectropop!). Of course, a lot of this starts off with irony: many of the vo-de-o-do songs were send-ups of an imagined past. But sometimes, when people really get into irony & parody they move beyond that and enter into the genuine spirit of the thing. That seems to be where Goldfrapp, High Llamas, Stereolab and others have taken it. These people are serious about the past, but are refashioning it into something more contemporary. And just as many of us found vo-de-o-do irritating, there are kids of the current generation who find this lounge influence retrograde and unadventurous, or so my contacts in Generation X-and-a-half tell me. Lindsay Lindsay Martin *********************************** "If you see something crawling across the floor, Baby, it'll be me" *********************************** --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:38:52 EST From: "James Botticelli" Subject: Playlist for "Casa Nostra" 1.18.01 "Casa Nostra" airs on 88.1FM WMBR in Cambridge, MA at M.I.T. Fridays at Midnight. "Casa Nostra" airs exotica, popnouveau, softrock, ez house, loungecore, breakbeat. "Casa Nostra" is hosted by James Botticelli in Real Time @ http:..wmbr.mit.edu Be sure to listen to "The Gentlemen's Hour" Mondays @ 5PM EST. Boston's Best Bachelor Banter & Sex Chat produced by James Botticelli on WMBR Seksu Roba-Crystal Garden BobCrewe Generation-Winter Warm-Music To Watch Birds By Pizzicato 5-Happy Landing-OST E Allora Mambo Johnny Williams-Trumpet Discotheque-OST Not With My Wife You Don't Buscemi-Ramiro's Theme-Glucklish 4 Bert Kaempfert-Mambo Mania-In Flight Entertainment 1 Stereo DeLuxe-Lunar Hilton Tipsy-Size 78-55-91-Charles Wilp Remixes Vinnie Bell-I Will Wait For You-Pop Goes The Electric Sitar Atom & Tea Time-Me Tiene Logo Sergio Mendes & Brasil 66-Salt Sea-Crystal Illusions Sunny Face-Merci Beaucoup-Temptation Beanfield-Scavenger Hunt-Human Patterns Can 7-Cruisin'-Beach House Ventures-Spooky/Traces/Stormy Medley-Hawaii 50 Gary McFarland-Melancholy Baby-Does The Sun Really Shine On The Moon? Cubismo Grafico-Up To You-Mini Nelson Riddle-My Life-Snowflakes Comp. Bob Sinclair-Champs Elysees Theme-Champs Elysees 45 Dip-Green Tomatoes-Solar Twins Mix-12" Antoine Clamarin-It Doesn't Matter (Who The DJ Is)-12" Les Baxter-Day Of The Roses- Ennio Morricone-L'Ultimo-Morricone 2001 Lalo Schifrin-Secret Code-There's A Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On Sounds Orchestral-Blues For Pussy Barracuda-Audiomontage-Kyoto Jazz Massive Presents Tutto Matto-La Ballata Del Funkulo Hi Posi-You Are My Music Thanks For Reading --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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