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There are 13 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 94:

      1. (Blue) Orchids
           From: "Ian Chapman" 
      2. Rambling answers for Andrew & Phil...
           From: "Joe Foster" 
      3. Lesley Gore -  Jack Nitzsche 
           From: "Joseph E. Vine Jr." 
      4. Re:roaring sixties
           From: alan  zweig 
      5. re: Peppermint Rainbow
           From: "Jack Madani" 
      6. Spector and Lennon
           From: Matt 
      7. Barry/Greenwich
           From: john rausch 
      8. 20's Revivalism
           From: DJJimmyBee 
      9. vo-dee-oh-doh
           From: Glenn Sadin 
     10. Re: retro retroness
           From: "Christine Beagle" 
     11. Winchester Cathedral
           From: "Kingsley" 
     12. vo-de-o-do/lounge/Goldfrapp
           From: lindsay_martin
     13. Playlist for "Casa Nostra" 1.18.01
           From: "James Botticelli" 


Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:27:15 -0000
   From: "Ian Chapman" 
Subject: (Blue) Orchids

> And what a single it was - well, at least the B-side!
> Soldier Boy, written by Orchids/Exceptions' lead
> vocalist Georgina, is a killer! It can be found on the
> recent Decca CD "The Girls' Scene", along with Orchids'
> Oo-chang-a-lang. A must-have for girl groups fans.
> The CD is annotated by our own Ian Chapman, whose remarks
> on the Orchids can be found at:

Jamie, Scott,

You'll notice that Pamela of the Orchids mentioned some 
unreleased tracks in the "The Girls' Scene" liner notes.  
It transpires that the track they cut with Bert Berns was 
one of his own songs, "Just Like Mine", recorded in October 

I asked her about the later Andrew Oldham session, and 
she said the song they cut was entitled "Society Girl".  
She wasn't aware that the US group the Rag Dolls had 
recorded a song of that title, but when I quoted the
lyrics, she immediately recognised it as the same song.  
Pam clearly remembered the three of them riding through 
London in the back of Oldham's limo, giggling as they slid 
along the plush leather upholstery every time they turned 
a corner!

I enquired after both of these masters, hoping to include 
at least one on the CD, but was told they couldn't be found.  
Exactly how hard they looked, I couldn't say.  I still 
hold out hope that they might surface in time for a
Girls Scene Vol. 2, should Universal ever decide to do 
one.  The Oldham track in particular sounds intriguing 
one can't help but speculate how much, if any, of his 
ersatz Spector treatment he gave it.

BTW, for "where are they now" enthusiasts, Pam is the 
headmistress of a school in Scotland, while Georgina 
apparently relocated to Canada. Valerie's whereabouts 
currently unknown.


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Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:46:08 -0000
   From: "Joe Foster" 
Subject: Rambling answers for Andrew & Phil...

Posted by Joe Foster on Sun, 21 Jan 2001 

Re the Millenium/Curt/Sandy/Joey 7" singles....numbered copies are 
still available on the Poptones website...btw apropos nothing..I 
found amongst my singles two versions of "It's My Party" by Richard in French, one in Italian....produced by Ivor 
Raymonde...each translation is not literal, but carries a different 
set of implications....pretty rocking all the same....the next batch 
of Poptones 7" singles will include a double A-side of Sagittarius' 
"In My Room" and Sandy Salisbury's "On and On (With Me Tonight) 
well as several other cool ones....check out the Cosmic Rough Riders 
in the current batch... Many of the Woolworths covers were supplied 
by the Embassy subsiduary of CBS/Oriole, now of course owned by Sony, 
who still have the masters in their Aylesbury vault as far as I can 
tell....perhaps someone should indeed do a comp...the last batch of 
Embassy records were budget albums including The Byrds "Mr.Tambourine 
Man" and Marmalade and Fleetwood Mac comps. released in the early 
'70's....ok, I'll get my coat.....Joe Foster

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Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:43:11 -0000
   From: "Joseph E. Vine Jr." 
Subject: Lesley Gore -  Jack Nitzsche 

>> "What Am I Gonna Do With You"—
>>Definitely my very favorite Lesley 
>>Gore recording

>The vocal on the Mercury Anthology (and ALSO, Rhino's 
>1998 "Best Of Lesley Gore: Sunshine, Lollipops & 
>Rainbows" and Demon-Westside's 2000 "My Town My Guy And 
>Me/Sings All about Love" 2-fer) sounds awfully HARSH to 
>me--and I'm not 100% certain it is the same vocal on the "Golden Hits" CD.

>The Rhino "Best Of" CD credits NO arranger for Track 14 
>'What Am I Gonna Do With You') yet Jack Nitzsche IS
>credited as arranger on Track 17 ('Off And Running').
>The Demon-Westside CD booklet says: 
>"What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby) 
>Recorded in New York, July 23, 1965 
>Written by Russ Titelman & Gerry Goffin 
>Arranged by Don Costa 
>And on the Mercury "It's My Party" Lesley twofer, it says 
>produced by Quincy Jones, with orchestra arranged 
>and conducted by Claus Ogermann.
>Costa? Ogermann? Each excellent arrangers in their own 
>right to be sure, but I'm sorry, ain't no way that track 
>was arranged by anyone but Jack Nitzsche.

Still, the Demon-Westside CD notes were written by Malcolm 
Baumgart & Mick Patrick, two very trustworthy researchers 
with serious Spector credentials.

Apparently two Lesley Gore sessions are involved:

March 27, 1965
35170 Baby That's Me (Nitzsche-DeShannon)
35171 No Matter what you do
35172 Sunshine, Lollipops & rainbows
35174 All in the game
35175 Love look away
35176 Let It Be Me
35177 When sonny gets blue

The March 27, 1965 session appears to have been arranged 
by Jack Nitzsche (Demon-Westside CD credits to 35170 & 
35171 to Nitzsche) yet the 'My Town, My guy & Me' album 
SEEMS to otherwise contain cuts from the following 

July 23, 1965
36441 WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH YOU (Don Costa?)
36442 A girl In Love (Don Costa?)
36443 Just another fool
36444 My town, My guy & Me (Don Costa?)
36445 Let Me Dream
36446 Things we did last summer

Does the Bear Family box set shine any light on these 

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Message: 4
   Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:26:55 -0500
   From: alan  zweig 
Subject: Re:roaring sixties

At 12:17 PM 1/22/01 -0000, LePage wrote
>Subject: music hall nostalgia

>…the 60s music hall nostalgia 
> generally hasn't held up well; 

>I always skip over tracks like Hello, Hello 
>on Claudine's album.

>I have a half-baked theory here. I think [it] may have 
>largely been about marijuana.

First of all, Jamie, thanks for taking my question 
seriously. I guess I should be gracious and thank the 
rest of the people who replied. Nice to see so many posts. 
Nice to see the discussion happening. But I didn't really 
need to hear about Winchester Cathedral or other novelty 
songs, which I already knew about.

It doesn't bother me when a novelty act plays a novelty 
song because chances are I'm not going to ever own the 
record. It bothered me with someone like Harper's 

In their case, they did so many of these novelty tunes 
that it almost seemed like they were actually a Roaring 
Twenties nostalgia novelty act who did a couple of pop 
tunes on each record to keep the company happy. I don't 
know about the marijuana connection but yeah, there are 
those folks who are always saying things like "The 
Seventies are just the Thirties with different 
hairstyles".  And I do remember the nostalgia for the 
Roaring Twenties that happened in the sixties. 

And I guess I can understand the connection they felt. 
I was there too but I didn't feel it.  Maybe I was just 
a few years too young to relate to what was cool about 
flappers and the Charleston. Were the Roaring Twenties 
the first time "youth culture" reared its ugly little 
head?  Or was it something about the Twenties as a 
"revolutionary" period?  Or maybe the Twenties was when 
white kids started to dance something other than the 

Obviously the Twenties nostalgia was partly a 
"marketing" phenomenon but I think "we the people" felt 
it too.

I just wish the nostalgia had limited itself to fashion 
and not music.  If they'd all grown handlebar moustaches, 
that would have been plenty.  They didn't have to screw 
up the music. For me it's like there was a law that 
everyone had to cover "The Night Chicago Died" or "Tie 
a Yellow Ribbon" or some horrible thing that would
cause you to jump up (and we weren't always ready to jump 
up) and kick the needle to the next cut. To this day I 
still can't believe they thought anyone would like that 

There was obviously great music made in the period they 
were nostalgic for but the music that they were imitating 
was uptight and thoroughly ANTI-ROCK. I know this is a 
suspect thing to say on a list dedicated to "pop" music 
as opposed to rock n roll - but the sixties was partly 
about losing the line between black music and white music 
and here they were getting nostalgic for a music that was 
partly about keeping the black influences out.

I think the real answer to my question is that a lot of 
these musicians - and the producers and arrangers they 
worked for/with - had NO IDEA what they were doing 
and they were just throwing everything against the 
wall and mixing everything together and hoping someone 
would salute to something.

And that's how we got "psychedelic" music as well as this 
crappy vo-de-oh-doh stuff. After all, what IS 
psychedelic music anyway?  (I was thinking about this
the other day when I was listening to the 1910 Fruitgum 
Company's "psychedelic" album.) Can you take any song 
and "psychedelicize" it?

Okay that's enough for today.  Any longer and I'll just 
automatically launch into my anti-Ken Burns rant.


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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:16:21 -0500
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: re: Peppermint Rainbow

>"Will You Be Staying After Sunday" was out in the spring
>of '69 -- if memory serves, Paul Leka wrote it(?). I 
>bought the single (on Decca); they also followed up with
>"Don't Wake Me Up In The Morning, Michael," and there was
>an LP.

Yeah!  I had that lp on 8-track!  Am I nuts, or was there a 
version of "Green Tambourine" on there as well?

My memory was that there was a lot of EdisonLighthouse
FlowerpotMen sounding songs on there.  A nicely serviceable 
album of studio-manufactured pop, as I recall.


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Message: 6
   Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:41:47 EST
   From: Matt 
Subject: Spector and Lennon

Hi everyone,

Okay, this may just be a rumor, but my friend said he saw 
this in a magazine.  He said that Spector is going to (or 
is at least in negotiations or whatever it's called) 
produce the new Lennon album...SEAN Lennon.  Sean Lennon 
is an indie rocker now, heavily associated with the 
Beastie Boys and various other hip groups.  My friend said 
that the article mentions that Spector had heard some 
demos and wanted to try his hand with them.  

Interesting, right?  Can someone deny or accept this 


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Message: 7
   Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:48:10 -0500
   From: john rausch 
Subject: Barry/Greenwich

Attention all Spectropoppers,
I have just read and signed the online petition:

"Send Jeff Barry and Ellie Greenwich to Cleveland!"

… hosted on the web by Petition, the free online petition
service at

I personally agree with what this petition says, and I 
think you might agree too.  If you can spare a moment, 
please take a look, and consider signing it yourself.

John Rausch

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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:47:54 EST
   From: DJJimmyBee 
Subject: 20's Revivalism

First of all, that Zweig fella's nothin' but trouble! 
Everytime you have something well-fixed in your mind 
"along comes alan" and tries to shake it up. I really hate 
that! ;:--/  ...But I just wanted to add two words to the 
discussion on vo-dee-o-dough..."Sopwith Camel"

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Message: 9
   Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:53:11 -0800
   From: Glenn Sadin 
Subject: vo-dee-oh-doh

>"alan zweig"  wrote:
>  > Spanky and Our Gang and Harpers Bizarre. Each of their
>  > records is almost ruined for me by songs that I can only
>  > describe as "vo-dee-oh-doh". Oldtimey, Rudy Vallee. They
>  > parody some barbershop Roaring Twenties song style. If
>  > you want, I can name songs. But they both do it and it
>  > drives me crazy. Who liked that stuff? What were they
>  > thinking?
>Why?: Very Simple......because record companies in the
>'60s were always quick to exploit any genre that was a
>hit for someone else. "Winchester Cathedral" was a HUGE
>hit at this time, and was done in that 20s style, so
>just about every other record compay tried the thing....
>........thats why!!

And don't forget, camp humor was very much in vogue in the mid '60s, 
ie: Batman, Mrs. Miller, Winchester Cathedral, etc. You can also look 
at old timey as a "retro" fad in the '60s. The '20s were to the '60s 
what the '60s are to this decade. (What DO we call this decade, 


   Glenn Sadin

   Read about JAPANESE POP MUSIC from the 1950s thru the 1990s:

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Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:35:55 -0500
   From: "Christine Beagle" 
Subject: Re: retro retroness

   From: Stewart Mason 
>other members of this scene included 
>The Temperance Seven and the early 
>lineups of my beloved Bonzo Dog Band, 
>whose first single was two old 
>vaudeville novelties, "My Brother Makes the 
>Noises for the Talkies" and "I'm Going To Bring 
>A Watermelon To My Girl Tonight." There were people 
>who played in all three of these bands at one time 
>or another.)

Sometime in 66, the Bonzo Dogs were offered the job of 
being the New Vaudeville Band (Winchester Cathedral was 
recorded by session musicians... correct me if I'm wrong).  
Bob Kerr was the only one who left the Bonzos to do it.  
Apparently the remaining Bonzos became annoyed by 
comparisons to the NVB, which prompted them to change 
their direction more towards rock music. 
Fortunately, they never lost the dada-silliness.  Roger 
Ruskin Spear's "Unusual" album from the 70's also has some 
terrific vaudeville sounding tracks.

dada for now,
(still curious to know which song Lenny Bruce played on, 
>from the Spector box set)
homeless dog rescue of VA MD DC

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Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:00:34 -0000
   From: "Kingsley" 
Subject: Winchester Cathedral

Spectropoppers may be interested to know that the lead 
voice on "Winchester Cathedral" was none other than the 
wonderful John Carter, he of Ivy League, Flowerpot Men and 
First Class fame. The guys you saw in the picture and on 
TV were recruited after the song started to sell. As well 
as his well known and lesser known pseudonyms (Stamford 
Bridge, Kincade et al) he also sang back ups on The Who's 
"Can't Explain", Sandie Shaw's "Always Something...", Tom 
Jones' "It's Not Unusual", Jeff beck's "Hi Ho Silver 
Lining", Keith West's "Excerpt From A Teenage Opera", 
Herman's Hermits "Sunshine Girl", Chris Farlowe's "Out Of 
Time", Dave Berry's "Crying Game", Brenda Lee's "Is It 
True?" (which he also wrote) and loads more by the likes 
of Marianne Faithful, Cliff Richard, Paul Jones, Eden Kane 
and more. One of the nicest men in the business, he remains 
very active today, with two new compilations due soon on 
Japan's wonderful EM Records very soon.

Kingsley Abbott

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Message: 12
   Date: 23 Jan 2001 00:15:29 -0800
   From: lindsay_martin
Subject: vo-de-o-do/lounge/Goldfrapp

Listening to Goldfrapp's recent album, "Felt Mountain", 
and reading the discussion of vaudeville in 60s pop, I 
realised that this urge to raid musical styles of four 
or five decades ago persists today.  The '60s recycling 
of vaudeville/jugband/trad jazz/tin pan alley of the 
'20s/30s reminds me a lot of the current practice of  
borrowing from what is now known as "lounge" or "space 
age" but which in my youth was what we often dismissed 
as Middle of the Road.  I guess it just shows that good 
music transcends its genre, and will survive no matter 

Check out Groove Armada's  "To the River", a wonderful 
dreamy track built around samples of a Patti Page (!) song, 
"Old Cape Cod". "Q" magazine put out a CD anthology called 
"Chill Out" last year.  Some of the tracks, notably by 
Moby, Kenobe & Goldfrapp are seeped in the kind of 
instrumental & movie music that my folks used to listen 
to in the '50s & '60s.  

Ah, Goldfrapp (Alison Goldfrapp & Will Gregory)!  Their 
music has so many references to music from my youth, John 
Barry's & Ennio Morricone's film music, for example, that 
it can hardly fail to grab me. I love "Felt Mountain", 
certain moments of which are spine chilling (and I'm the 
kind of guy who gets excited over discovering "What Am 
I Gonna Do About You [Hey Baby]" in multiple versions via 

Of course, a lot of this starts off with irony: many of 
the vo-de-o-do songs were send-ups of an imagined past.  
But sometimes, when people really get into irony & parody 
they move beyond that and enter into the genuine spirit 
of the thing.  That seems to be where Goldfrapp, High 
Llamas,  Stereolab and others have taken it.  These 
people are serious about the past, but are refashioning 
it into something more contemporary. 

And just as many of us found vo-de-o-do irritating, there 
are kids of the current generation who find this lounge 
influence retrograde and unadventurous, or so my contacts 
in Generation X-and-a-half tell me.


Lindsay Martin
"If you see something crawling across the floor,
Baby, it'll be me"

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Message: 13
   Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:38:52 EST
   From: "James Botticelli" 
Subject: Playlist for "Casa Nostra" 1.18.01

"Casa Nostra" airs on 88.1FM WMBR in Cambridge, 
MA at M.I.T.  Fridays at Midnight. "Casa Nostra" 
airs exotica, popnouveau, softrock, ez house, 
loungecore, breakbeat. "Casa Nostra" is hosted 
by James Botticelli in Real Time @
Be sure to listen to "The Gentlemen's Hour" 
Mondays @ 5PM EST. Boston's Best Bachelor Banter 
& Sex Chat produced by James Botticelli on WMBR

Seksu Roba-Crystal Garden
BobCrewe Generation-Winter Warm-Music To Watch Birds By
Pizzicato 5-Happy Landing-OST E Allora Mambo
Johnny Williams-Trumpet Discotheque-OST Not With My Wife You Don't
Buscemi-Ramiro's Theme-Glucklish 4
Bert Kaempfert-Mambo Mania-In Flight Entertainment 1
Stereo DeLuxe-Lunar Hilton

Tipsy-Size 78-55-91-Charles Wilp Remixes
Vinnie Bell-I Will Wait For You-Pop Goes The Electric Sitar
Atom & Tea Time-Me Tiene Logo
Sergio Mendes & Brasil 66-Salt Sea-Crystal Illusions
Sunny Face-Merci Beaucoup-Temptation
Beanfield-Scavenger Hunt-Human Patterns
Can 7-Cruisin'-Beach House

Ventures-Spooky/Traces/Stormy Medley-Hawaii 50
Gary McFarland-Melancholy Baby-Does The Sun Really Shine On The Moon?
Cubismo Grafico-Up To You-Mini
Nelson Riddle-My Life-Snowflakes Comp.
Bob Sinclair-Champs Elysees Theme-Champs Elysees
45 Dip-Green Tomatoes-Solar Twins Mix-12"
Antoine Clamarin-It Doesn't Matter (Who The DJ Is)-12"

Les Baxter-Day Of The Roses-
Ennio Morricone-L'Ultimo-Morricone 2001
Lalo Schifrin-Secret Code-There's A Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On
Sounds Orchestral-Blues For Pussy
Barracuda-Audiomontage-Kyoto Jazz Massive Presents
Tutto Matto-La Ballata Del Funkulo
Hi Posi-You Are My Music

Thanks For Reading

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