http://www.spectropop.com ________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ First 25,000 copies issued in an attractive picture sleeve. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 14 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 92: 1. Re: The Peppermint Rainbow From: "Mike" 2. Re: Peppermint Rainbow From: "Randy M. Kosht" 3. Claudia Loses a Bet. From: "David Feldman" 4. Peppermint Rainbow From: alan zweig 5. Peppermint Rainbow From: Jamie LePage 6. RE: Soundalikes From: "Phil Chapman" 7. Phil Spector's girlfriend From: "Steve Marinucci" 8. Melody Goes On compilations From: Tobias 9. Re: Hey Baby...It's Cosmic From: Andrew Hickey 10. What Am I Gonna Do With You -- Hey Baby From: John Clemente 11. more....... "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)" From: "Phil Chapman" 12. Lesley, Specs, Claus, Quincy & Teenage Steve [?] From: "Jack Madani" 13. Re: The Orchids/ Blue Orchids From: Scott Swanson 14. Orchids/Blue Orchids From: John Clemente ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:36:28 -0800 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: The Peppermint Rainbow Claudia wrote: >My boyfriend recorded me a song called "Will You Be >Staying After Sunday (Or Go Home on Monday)" and I >swear it sounds like Spanky and Our Gang. >We have a bet going....I say it's Elaine McFarland >(Spanky)....anyone? Claudia There is some similarity in the lead vocal of WYBSAS to Spanky, but Spanky was under contract to Mercury at that time (1968) and could not have recorded for another label. I think its just a session singer, and the arrangement was geared toward the Spanky singles, as they were big hits at that time. Mikey --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:35:22 -0800 From: "Randy M. Kosht" Subject: Re: Peppermint Rainbow Hi, Claudia and Spectropoppers: Regarding the Peppermint Rainbow, I have no firsthand knowledge, just memory, but my hunch is that it's not Spanky, since Our Gang was still recording. Sure sounds like her though. "Will You Be Staying After Sunday" was out in the spring of '69 -- if memory serves, Paul Leka wrote it(?). I bought the single (on Decca); they also followed up with "Don't Wake Me Up In The Morning, Michael," and there was an LP. Best, Randy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:17:07 -0500 From: "David Feldman" Subject: Claudia Loses a Bet. On 19 Jan 2001, at 12:04, Claudia wrote: > We have a bet going....I say it's Elaine McFarland > (Spanky)....anyone? Claudia > Uh-oh, Claudia. Methinks you owe your boyfriend bigtime. The Peppermint Rainbow, as I recollect, featured TWO female singers, sisters. I think they were the Lamdin sisters, although I don't remember which sang lead on "Will You Be Staying..." This was a pretty big hit, actually, in 1969, I believe. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:43:37 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Peppermint Rainbow Claudia on the Peppermint Rainbow; > >My boyfriend recorded me a song called "Will You Be >Staying After Sunday (Or Go Home on Monday)" and I >swear it sounds like Spanky and Our Gang. The group >was Peppermint Rainbow from the late 60's..very peace >and love-soft rock which was personified by groups >like Yellow Balloon, Liz Damon's Orient Express, >Lemon Pipers and Sandpipers. The groups simply reeked >of love beads, daisies in the hair and all things >paisley. On the surface, from appearance, judging from the way they look on my very beat up copy of the record (have I hedged enough??), The Peppermint Rainbow seem to be way more "Holiday Inn" than "love beads and daisies". First of all, they have matching uniforms. It's not just that the guys have turquoise blue "slacks" and the women have turquoise blue minidresses. Or that the guys are wearing white shoes and the women are wearing white go-go boots. It's also that the guys are wearing these turquoise blue "cravats" (?) or ties or ascots or whatever the hell they are. Having said that, I've had my preconceptions turned upside down enough times that I try not to assume anything about groups from this era, based on appearances. So the Peppermint Rainbow may have been the hippest, avant garde, long hair freaks. And those awful uniforms may have been some horrible management idea. (Actually it probably was.) When you listen to the whole record though, it kind of fits with the uniforms and the "poofy" hair-dos. At best they sound like the Fifth Dimension (I'd call them a "white Fifth Dimension" except that some folks probably thought the Fifth Dimension were already the white Fifth Dimension.) At worst they sound a bit like the Seekers (or the New Seekers) especially on the song "Don't wake me in the morning Michael" The strange and mysterious anomaly on the record is their spot-on "cover" of Green Tambourine. I've enquired about this earlier but maybe not on this list. It sounds to me like the instrumental track is not just similar but identical to the Lemon Piper hit version. Paul Leka, the songs co-writer, produced this record and wrote a couple of other tunes on it. It sounds to me like he brought more than songs with him. (This is probably a question for Carol.) I get the sense that Spanky and Our Gang were more "genuinely" hip. I don't know why. Maybe it's their association with Bob Dorough who seems like the real thing to me. Then again, he could be hip but they don't have to be. Which actually brings up a question I've always had. Two really cool soft pop vocal groups. Spanky and Our Gang and Harpers Bizarre. Each of their records is almost ruined for me by songs that I can only describe as "vo-dee-oh-doh". Oldtimey, Rudy Vallee. They parody some barbershop Roaring Twenties song style. If you want, I can name songs. But they both do it and it drives me crazy. Who liked that stuff? What were they thinking? If it was just one group or one song, I could ignore it. But it seemed like some kind of "phenomenon". Please explain. AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 01 15:44:21 +0900 From: Jamie LePage Subject: Peppermint Rainbow Hi Claudia, I found this on the Bulletin Board: http://www.escribe.com/music/spectropop/bb/index.html?bID=60 "Neither of the female members of the Peppermint Rainbow (sisters, Patricia & Bonnie Lamdin) sang with any other groups. The male members of the Peppermint Rainbow were supposedly members of the Lemon Pipers (who were produced by Paul Leka)." Hope this helps. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:27:49 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: RE: Soundalikes Mikey wrote: > Yes, those "Hit Records" versions are awesome > .............A 2 Cd set of these from the > original masters would be a welcome item. I'm also fascinated by these 'budget' Spector soundalikes. The UK equivalents were mainly provided by Woolworth's, who had the likes of Jimmy Page & Elton John at their disposal. Two of the more entertaining items are session singer Maggie Roberts' version of "Be My Baby", featuring backing vocals in the wrong octave so it's pure Disney from the second verse - and "Baby I Love You" by The Starlings: In an attempt to fill the sound stage there is a three-part male chorus throughout which lends a sacrificial Hammer Horror quality. It's worth mentioning other European language covers, particularly the French: - Les Surfs provide competent versions of "Be My Baby" and "Not Too Young To Get Married", Johnny Hallyday "Da Dou Ron Ron", and Richard Anthony's version of "Then I Kissed Her" remains remarkable faithful to the original arrangement. Hmmm... a compilation of all of these would certainly make for interesting listening. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:36:13 -0800 From: "Steve Marinucci" Subject: Phil Spector's girlfriend Apparently, the new issue of Entertainment Weekly mentions that Phil Spector's girlfriend is none other than Nancy Sinatra. Talk about a small world... steve --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 06:50:04 -0000 From: Tobias Subject: Melody Goes On compilations I only have portions of these three soft rock compilations, on tape. Could somebody please burn me CDRs of the three volumes, since M&M doesn't exist anymore? I'll pay for postage et al, of course. Tobias --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: Hey Baby...It's Cosmic > By the way. the Poptones label here in the UK snuck > out two limited 7" singles with one track each from > the four Boettcher related albums - Curt, Sandy S, > Millennium and Joey Stec. Only 1000 copies of each, > there may still be a few around... Sounds great - I'll have to try and pick those up... anyone else think Curt sounds a *lot* like Sean Macreavy on several of the tracks on the solo one? BTW Kingsley, did you get my e-mail? My account's playing up (again) and I had no reply... ===== Subliminal message: Buy the new Stealth Munchkin album - www.geocities.com/stealth_munchkin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:45:10 -0500 From: John Clemente Subject: What Am I Gonna Do With You -- Hey Baby Hi, "What Am I Gonna Do With You -- Hey Baby" is one of my favorites from the mid 60s. I know of two more versions of the song. One by Skeeter Davis on RCA and the demo version of the song recorded by The Cookies. Unfortunately, I've never heard The Cookies demo. Darlene McCrea told me that she has an acetate of their cut (nice collectors' item). During a radio interview with The Cookies in 1997, I played The Inspirations' version for them, thinking it might be The Cookies in disguise, but they all said "nice job, but not The Cookies". I'm sure their version will finally surface on a CD, as did their version of "Good Good Lovin'" from the same period. Goffin/Titleman also wrote and produced Darlene's "My Heart's Not In It" for Tower Records in 1964. John Clemente --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:49:41 -0000 From: "Phil Chapman" Subject: more....... "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)" Apart from the versions mentioned (posted to egroups), I have a rather strange male version of this great song by 'The Singing Bodies' - does anybody have any info on this? Whilst on the subject of varying mixes of Jack Nitzsche productions: is there a stereo mix of PJ Proby's "I Can't Make It Alone" which includes the Righteous Brothers style harmony vocal? - I've only ever heard it on the 45. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:31:57 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: Lesley, Specs, Claus, Quincy & Teenage Steve [?] >> "What Am I Gonna Do With You"-- >>Definitely my very favorite Lesley Gore recording > >The vocal on the Mercury Anthology (and ALSO, Rhino's >1998 "Best Of Lesley Gore: Sunshine, Lollipops & >Rainbows" and Demon-Westside's 2000 "My Town My Guy And >Me/Sings All about Love" 2-fer) sounds awfully HARSH to >me--and I'm not 100% certain it is the same vocal on the >"Golden Hits" CD. That was also my immediate reaction the first time I heard the Mercury Anthology version. But at this point I couldn't say for sure any more. >The Rhino "Best Of" CD credits NO arranger for Track 14 >'What Am I Gonna Do With You' yet Jack Nitzsche IS >credited as arranger on Track 17 'Off And Running.' > >The Demon-Westside CD booklet says: >"What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby) >Recorded in New York, July 23, 1965 >Written by Russ Titelman & Gerry Goffin >Arranged by Don Costa > And on the Mercury "It's My Party" Lesley twofer, it says produced by Quincy Jones, with orchestra arranged and conducted by Claus Ogermann. Costa? Ogermann? Each excellent arrangers in their own right to be sure, but I'm sorry, ain't no way that track was arranged by anyone but Jack Nitzsche. >Jamie also asked whether the Bear Family box was worth >the investment, and I say yes, even if "only" for the >sake of all the previously unreleased material found >there, not least of which is the entire cancelled >"Magic Colors" album. I started relistening to the Lesley Mercury twofer, and was surprised at how much Lesley in later years seemed to be inching towards a Fifth Dimension-y, almost *soul* sort of sound. As for the Magic Colors-related tracks on the twofer, they sounded to me like tracks that might have been meant for the Partridge Family. The notes said the producer for that unreleased album was Steve Douglas. Would that be "Teenage" Steve Douglas? jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:32:46 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: The Orchids/ Blue Orchids >I know the Spectropop thread mentioned "Mr Scrooge" and >"Just For You" but I have a hunch - and it is just aq >hunch - that we may be talking about two different >groups here. They're definitely two different groups. The British group (three schoolgirls from Liverpool) were always known as just "The Orchids" but their 2 U.S. singles were credited to "The Blue Orchids" for the exact reason we are discussing them here. ;-) In 1965 they (the British group) changed their name to The Exceptions and released one final single before splitting up. Hope this helps, Scott http://www.spectropop.com/go2/orchids.html --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:34:58 -0500 From: John Clemente Subject: Orchids/Blue Orchids Hello, In answer to Lindsay Martin's comments about The Blue Orchids vs. The Orchids. Yes, the name of the Brit group was changed so they wouldn't be confused with the NY group who recorded for Columbia and Roulette. Not much is known about the NY group. They recorded three singles for Columbia and two for Roulette (oddly enough, one in '62 and one in '65, the latter with a recycled B-side). The Columbia sides were recorded between September of '63 and October of '64. John Clemente http://www.spectropop.com/go2/orchids.html --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- ADMIN NOTE: Spectropop Group respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our group members to do the same. Within 7 days of uploading a file to the file sharing space, you must submit written proof to Spectropop Admin that the content does not infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights. Failure to do so will result in immediate deletion of the file from the server. Your understanding of this policy is appreciated. Thank you for your cooperation. End
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