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There are 14 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this  Digest Number 92:

      1. Re: The Peppermint Rainbow
           From: "Mike" 
      2. Re: Peppermint Rainbow
           From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
      3. Claudia Loses a Bet.
           From: "David Feldman" 
      4. Peppermint Rainbow 
           From: alan zweig 
      5. Peppermint Rainbow
           From: Jamie LePage 
      6. RE: Soundalikes
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
      7. Phil Spector's girlfriend
           From: "Steve Marinucci" 
      8. Melody Goes On compilations
           From: Tobias 
      9. Re:  Hey Baby...It's Cosmic
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     10. What Am I Gonna Do With You -- Hey Baby
           From: John Clemente 
     11. more....... "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)"
           From: "Phil Chapman" 
     12. Lesley, Specs, Claus, Quincy & Teenage Steve [?]
           From: "Jack Madani" 
     13. Re: The Orchids/ Blue Orchids
           From: Scott Swanson 
     14. Orchids/Blue Orchids
           From: John Clemente 


Message: 1
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:36:28 -0800
   From: "Mike" 
Subject: Re: The Peppermint Rainbow

Claudia wrote:

>My boyfriend recorded me a song called "Will You Be
>Staying After Sunday (Or Go Home on Monday)" and I
>swear it sounds like Spanky and Our Gang.
>We have a bet going....I say it's Elaine McFarland
>(Spanky)....anyone? Claudia

There is some similarity in the lead vocal of WYBSAS to 
Spanky, but Spanky was under contract to Mercury at that
time (1968) and could not have recorded for another label. 
I think its just a session singer, and the arrangement
was geared toward the Spanky singles, as they were big 
hits at that time.


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Message: 2
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:35:22 -0800
   From: "Randy M. Kosht" 
Subject: Re: Peppermint Rainbow

Hi, Claudia and Spectropoppers:

Regarding the Peppermint Rainbow, I have no firsthand 
knowledge, just memory, but my hunch is that it's not 
Spanky, since Our Gang was still recording. Sure sounds 
like her though.

"Will You Be Staying After Sunday" was out in the spring
of '69 -- if memory serves, Paul Leka wrote it(?). I 
bought the single (on Decca); they also followed up with
"Don't Wake Me Up In The Morning, Michael," and there was
an LP.


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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:17:07 -0500
   From: "David Feldman" 
Subject: Claudia Loses a Bet.

On 19 Jan 2001, at 12:04, Claudia wrote:

> We have a bet going....I say it's Elaine McFarland
> (Spanky)....anyone? Claudia

Uh-oh, Claudia. Methinks you owe your boyfriend bigtime.
The Peppermint Rainbow, as I recollect, featured TWO 
female singers, sisters. I think they were the Lamdin 
sisters, although I don't remember which sang lead on 
"Will You Be Staying..."

This was a pretty big hit, actually, in 1969, I believe.

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Message: 4
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:43:37 -0500
   From: alan zweig 
Subject: Peppermint Rainbow 

Claudia on the Peppermint Rainbow;
>My boyfriend recorded me a song called "Will You Be
>Staying After Sunday (Or Go Home on Monday)" and I
>swear it sounds like Spanky and Our Gang. The group
>was Peppermint Rainbow from the late 60's..very peace
>and love-soft rock which was personified by groups
>like Yellow Balloon, Liz Damon's Orient Express,
>Lemon Pipers and Sandpipers. The groups simply reeked
>of love beads, daisies in the hair and all things

On the surface, from appearance, judging from the way 
they look on my very beat up copy of the record (have I 
hedged enough??), The Peppermint Rainbow seem to be way 
more "Holiday Inn" than "love beads and daisies". First 
of all, they have matching uniforms. It's not just that 
the guys have turquoise blue "slacks" and the women have
turquoise blue minidresses. Or that the guys are wearing 
white shoes and the women are wearing white go-go boots.
It's also that the guys are wearing these turquoise blue 
"cravats" (?) or ties or ascots or whatever the hell 
they are. Having said that, I've had my preconceptions 
turned upside down enough times that I try not to assume
anything about groups from this era, based on appearances. 
So the Peppermint Rainbow may have been the hippest, 
avant garde, long hair freaks. And those awful uniforms 
may have been some horrible management idea. (Actually 
it probably was.) When you listen to the whole record 
though, it kind of fits with the uniforms and the "poofy" 
hair-dos. At best they sound like the Fifth Dimension 
(I'd call them a "white Fifth Dimension" except that 
some folks probably thought the Fifth Dimension were 
already the white Fifth Dimension.) At worst they sound 
a bit like the Seekers (or the New Seekers) especially 
on the song "Don't wake me in the morning Michael" The 
strange and mysterious anomaly on the record is their 
spot-on "cover" of Green Tambourine. I've enquired about
this earlier but maybe not on this list. It sounds to me 
like the instrumental track is not just similar but 
identical to the Lemon Piper hit version. Paul Leka, the
songs co-writer, produced this record and wrote a couple 
of other tunes on it. It sounds to me like he brought 
more than songs with him. (This is probably a question 
for Carol.)

I get the sense that Spanky and Our Gang were more 
"genuinely" hip. I don't know why. Maybe it's their 
association with Bob Dorough who seems like the real 
thing to me. Then again, he could be hip but they don't 
have to be. Which actually brings up a question I've 
always had. Two really cool soft pop vocal groups. 
Spanky and Our Gang and Harpers Bizarre. Each of their 
records is almost ruined for me by songs that I can only
describe as "vo-dee-oh-doh". Oldtimey, Rudy Vallee. They 
parody some barbershop Roaring Twenties song style. If 
you want, I can name songs. But they both do it and it 
drives me crazy. Who liked that stuff? What were they 
thinking? If it was just one group or one song, I could 
ignore it. But it seemed like some kind of "phenomenon".

Please explain.


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Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 21 Jan 01 15:44:21 +0900
   From: Jamie LePage 
Subject: Peppermint Rainbow

Hi Claudia,

I found this on the Bulletin Board:

"Neither of the female members of the Peppermint Rainbow 
(sisters, Patricia & Bonnie Lamdin) sang with any other 
groups. The male members of the Peppermint Rainbow were 
supposedly members of the Lemon Pipers (who were 
produced by Paul Leka)."

Hope this helps.

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Message: 6
   Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:27:49 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: RE: Soundalikes

Mikey wrote:

> Yes, those "Hit Records" versions are awesome
> .............A 2 Cd set of these from the
> original masters would be a welcome item.

I'm also fascinated by these 'budget' Spector 
soundalikes. The UK equivalents were mainly provided by 
Woolworth's, who had the likes of Jimmy Page & Elton 
John at their disposal. Two of the more entertaining 
items are session singer Maggie Roberts' version of "Be 
My Baby", featuring backing vocals in the wrong octave 
so it's pure Disney from the second verse - and "Baby I 
Love You" by The Starlings: In an attempt to fill the 
sound stage there is a three-part male chorus throughout
which lends a sacrificial Hammer Horror quality.

It's worth mentioning other European language covers, 
particularly the French: - Les Surfs provide competent 
versions of "Be My Baby" and "Not Too Young To Get 
Married", Johnny Hallyday "Da Dou Ron Ron", and Richard 
Anthony's version of "Then I Kissed Her" remains 
remarkable faithful to the original arrangement. Hmmm...
a compilation of all of these would certainly make for
interesting listening.

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Message: 7
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:36:13 -0800
   From: "Steve Marinucci" 
Subject: Phil Spector's girlfriend

Apparently, the new issue of Entertainment Weekly 
mentions that Phil Spector's girlfriend is none other 
than Nancy Sinatra. Talk about a small world...


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Message: 8
   Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 06:50:04 -0000
   From: Tobias 
Subject: Melody Goes On compilations

I only have portions of these three soft rock 
compilations, on tape. Could somebody please burn me 
CDRs of the three volumes, since M&M doesn't exist 
anymore? I'll pay for postage et al, of course.


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Message: 9
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:49:19 -0800 (PST)
   From: Andrew Hickey 
Subject: Re:  Hey Baby...It's Cosmic

> By the way. the Poptones label here in the UK snuck
> out two limited 7" singles with one track each from
> the four Boettcher related albums - Curt, Sandy S,
> Millennium and Joey Stec. Only 1000 copies of each,
> there may still be a few around...

Sounds great - I'll have to try and pick those up...
anyone else think Curt sounds a *lot* like Sean
Macreavy on several of the tracks on the solo one?
BTW Kingsley, did you get my e-mail? My account's
playing up (again) and I had no reply...

Subliminal message:
Buy the new Stealth Munchkin album -

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Message: 10
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:45:10 -0500
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: What Am I Gonna Do With You -- Hey Baby


"What Am I Gonna Do With You -- Hey Baby" is one of my 
favorites from the mid 60s. I know of two more versions 
of the song. One by Skeeter Davis on RCA and the demo 
version of the song recorded by The Cookies. 
Unfortunately, I've never heard The Cookies demo. 
Darlene McCrea told me that she has an acetate of their 
cut (nice collectors' item). During a radio interview 
with The Cookies in 1997, I played The Inspirations' 
version for them, thinking it might be The Cookies in 
disguise, but they all said "nice job, but not The 
Cookies". I'm sure their version will finally surface on
a CD, as did their version of "Good Good Lovin'" from the
same period. Goffin/Titleman also wrote and produced 
Darlene's "My Heart's Not In It" for Tower Records in 

John Clemente

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Message: 11
   Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:49:41 -0000
   From: "Phil Chapman" 
Subject: more....... "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)"

Apart from the versions mentioned (posted to egroups), I
have a rather strange male version of this great song by 
'The Singing Bodies' - does anybody have any info on 

Whilst on the subject of varying mixes of Jack Nitzsche 
productions: is there a stereo mix of PJ Proby's "I 
Can't Make It Alone" which includes the Righteous 
Brothers style harmony vocal? - I've only ever heard it 
on the 45.

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Message: 12
   Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:31:57 -0500
   From: "Jack Madani" 
Subject: Lesley, Specs, Claus, Quincy & Teenage Steve [?]

>> "What Am I Gonna Do With You"--
>>Definitely my very favorite Lesley Gore recording
>The vocal on the Mercury Anthology (and ALSO, Rhino's
>1998 "Best Of Lesley Gore: Sunshine, Lollipops &
>Rainbows" and Demon-Westside's 2000 "My Town My Guy And
>Me/Sings All about Love" 2-fer) sounds awfully HARSH to
>me--and I'm not 100% certain it is the same vocal on the
>"Golden Hits" CD.

That was also my immediate reaction the first time I 
heard the Mercury Anthology version. But at this point I
couldn't say for sure any more.

>The Rhino "Best Of" CD credits NO arranger for Track 14
>'What Am I Gonna Do With You' yet Jack Nitzsche IS
>credited as arranger on Track 17 'Off And Running.'
>The Demon-Westside CD booklet says:
>"What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)
>Recorded in New York, July 23, 1965
>Written by Russ Titelman & Gerry Goffin
>Arranged by Don Costa
And on the Mercury "It's My Party" Lesley twofer, it 
says produced by Quincy Jones, with orchestra arranged 
and conducted by Claus Ogermann.

Costa? Ogermann? Each excellent arrangers in their own 
right to be sure, but I'm sorry, ain't no way that track
was arranged by anyone but Jack Nitzsche.

>Jamie also asked whether the Bear Family box was worth
>the investment, and I say yes, even if "only" for the
>sake of all the previously unreleased material found
>there, not least of which is the entire cancelled
>"Magic Colors" album.

I started relistening to the Lesley Mercury twofer, and 
was surprised at how much Lesley in later years seemed 
to be inching towards a Fifth Dimension-y, almost *soul*
sort of sound.

As for the Magic Colors-related tracks on the twofer, 
they sounded to me like tracks that might have been 
meant for the Partridge Family. The notes said the 
producer for that unreleased album was Steve Douglas. 
Would that be "Teenage" Steve Douglas?


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Message: 13
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:32:46 -0800
   From: Scott Swanson 
Subject: Re: The Orchids/ Blue Orchids

>I know the Spectropop thread mentioned "Mr Scrooge" and
>"Just For You" but I have a hunch - and it is just aq
>hunch - that we may be talking about two different
>groups here.

They're definitely two different groups. The British 
group (three schoolgirls from Liverpool) were always 
known as just "The Orchids" but their 2 U.S. singles 
were credited to "The Blue Orchids" for the exact reason
we are discussing them here. ;-)

In 1965 they (the British group) changed their name to 
The Exceptions and released one final single before 
splitting up.

Hope this helps,


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Message: 14
   Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:34:58 -0500
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Orchids/Blue Orchids


In answer to Lindsay Martin's comments about The Blue 
Orchids vs. The Orchids. Yes, the name of the Brit group
was changed so they wouldn't be confused with the NY 
group who recorded for Columbia and Roulette. Not much 
is known about the NY group. They recorded three singles
for Columbia and two for Roulette (oddly enough, one in 
'62 and one in '65, the latter with a recycled B-side). 
The Columbia sides were recorded between September of 
'63 and October of '64.

John Clemente

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