http://www.spectropop.com ________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ The get-with-it sound for everyone who cares ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 9 messages in this issue of Spectropop. Topics in this Digest Number 90: 1. Some interesting albums I recently found From: Glenn Sadin 2. Re: Playlist for "Casa Nostra" From: "Randy M. Kosht" 3. RE: Chad & Jeremy From: John Love 4. DeShannon and Letterman Musical Guests From: "David Feldman" 5. Re: Jackie on Letterman From: alan zweig 6. Re: Lesley's "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)" From: "Spector Collector" 7. Hey Baby From: "Jack Madani" 8. Lesley Gore - Jack Nitzsche From: "Joseph E. Vine Jr." 9. Deconstructing the Wall, Honors Section From: "Jack Madani" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:46:32 -0800 From: Glenn Sadin Subject: Some interesting albums I recently found Are any of you familiar with an LP on Mercury from 1967 called "Friar Tuck and His Psychedelic Guitar"? The album was recorded at Gary Paxton's studio and vocal arrangements were done by Curt Boettcher. It's a very peculiar album; side one is primarily experimental arrangements of well-known pop songs, ie: "Louie Louie" (listed as "Louis Louis"), and side two is mostly wordless psych toons, with layers upon layers of ethereal vocal harmonies on top of a psychedelic backing (with plenty of groovy raga guitar to boot). The entire effect sounds like a cross between the Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds" and the Mothers of Invention's "Freak Out!". Far out! At the same store that I found the Friar Tuck LP, I also finally scored a mono pressing of "Bee Gees 1st," which is actually one of the greatest early British pop/psych albums (1967). I see stereo copies around from time to time, but the mono ones seem to be pretty scarce. It's amazing to me that the brothers Gibb were only in their teens when they cut that amazing album. It's a shame that they're best known for the disco crud (IMO) that they cut 10 years later, yet their adventurous early recordings are generally not known or recognized. Glenn --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:19:03 -0800 From: "Randy M. Kosht" Subject: Re: Playlist for "Casa Nostra" Hi; had to comment on that "Final Set" list for "Casa Nostra" -- I love to see all of those A&M titles in one place! The only one listed as A&M that actually wasn't was Nick DeCaro's "Under a Jamaican Moon." His "Italian Graffiti" LP was on Blue Thumb, not A&M. I have both his "Happy Heart" LP (A&M 4176) and "Graffiti" and love both! BTW, have you heard that the Free Design have a new album coming out? KPFK-FM in Los Angeles played a cut >from "Cosmic Peek-A-Boo" -- it's due out in March, I believe, on a German label. Best, Randy A&Mania --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:20:56 -0600 From: John Love Subject: RE: Chad & Jeremy Just a PS to all the interesting posts on Chad & Jeremy. Anyone else notice that one of the pics in the Varese Best of is of Peter & Gordon? Keep up the good work everyone! John --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:52:23 -0500 From: "David Feldman" Subject: DeShannon and Letterman Musical Guests > I was one of those who saw Jackie on Letterman the other > night. Was I disappointed! He introduced her as one of > music director Paul Shaffer's "innovators of rock" > guests, and I guess it was suppose to be "this is his > blast from the past spot".... I watch Letterman every evening, and although the truncation of musical acts can be frustrating, in no way was her treatment meant to be a slight to DeShannon. Many much bigger names, and current ones at that, have played with the band and are heard by the home audience only during intros and outro transitions to/from commercials. A couple of weeks ago, Sheila E. played with the band for a week and never played a solo for the home audience, although she was able to promote her new CD. The next evening, Letterman again mentioned how much he loved having DeShannon there (this is highly unusual) and said that it was a shame that the home audience didn't hear more of her. We'll see if she's booked again. With a comic, whether or not they sit with Letterman is a sign of status. Not so with musicians. Here, the decision is based primarily on the guest-mix and whether or not the singer is perceived to be a good talker (bands never get interviewed en masse). Brian Wilson is not going to get to that couch. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:15:41 -0500 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: Jackie on Letterman At 12:05 PM 1/15/01 -0000, you wrote: > From: Claudia Cunningham >Subject: Jackie DeShannon > >I was one of those who saw Jackie on Letterman the other >night. Was I disappointed! I got the feeling that >Jackie was too Sixties to appeal to Letterman's top >demographic group, those 20 and 30 year olds who can't >relate to Jackie. Sad, isn't it? It might be sad if it were true. But I don't think it is. IF they wanted to, it wouldn't take much for Letterman and Shaffer and others like them to make Jackie DeShannon into THE hip 60's comeback gal. Those 20 and 30 year olds (which really isn't one demographic group) will relate to pretty well anyone they're told to relate to. As long as you say "She's hip", "She's the real thing", "She's more real than all these plastic folks you're listening to these days". I think maybe you could make the case that it would be easier for them to sell a man than a woman. Or at least, it's easier to sell an older man than an older woman. I actually find it sadder how easy it is for them to sell "hipness" to their demographic. I don't know why they didn't let Jackie sing a number. I don't know why she was hiding back there. On the other hand, I don't know why she looked like a deer in the headlights when Dave actually addressed a question to her. You say that Shaffer cut her off when he answered for her. I think he saved her from further embarrassment. There was something feeble about the way she was presented, I agree with that. It seemed half-hearted. But I wouldn't blame the audience. They're always ready to be told what's hip. You just have to tell them. AZ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:49:40 -0000 From: "Spector Collector" Subject: Re: Lesley's "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby)" Jamie wrote: > Now I am very keen to hear the original mono mix. I > believe I have the LP somewhere, but I can't remember > if it is mono or stereo. In any event, I can't seem to > find it just now. If I continue to look I just might > find it and listen to it several more times. My wife is > surely bound to call the medics then! Adding to his eagerness to locate the mono LP, I offer the following quote, lifted from the discography section of Lesley's very sophisticated site. (If you haven't already visited it, check out http://www.spectropop.com/go2/lesley_gore.html) "On the monaural issue of My Town, My Guy and Me, there is a fabulous, two-or-three voiced multitracked vocal on "What Am I Gonna Do with You" that rockets that classic tearjerker into a whole other dimension, and is the equal of either one-voiced version that has surfaced on the various anthologies..." Jamie also asked whether the Bear Family box was worth the investment, and I say yes, even if "only" for the sake of all the previously unreleased material found there, not least of which is the entire cancelled "Magic Colors" album. Other votes? David A. Young --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:46:47 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: Hey Baby re: "What Am I Gonna Do With You"-- Did I neglect to give props to the writers, Titelman/Goffin? Sorry about that. >Definitely my very favorite Lesley Gore recording - I >have to mention the boy-betrays-faithful-girl lyric has >a lot to do with it. Of great appeal to me is that >sentiment expressed in so many of her recordings - And yet she also sang "You Don't Own Me." But I know what you mean about the betrayed faithful girl thing. > >Also, any song that has as its main catch phrase "Hey, >baby" gets extra points. ... >In this Titelman/Goffin work, the monotone line Hey Baby >on the surface seemingly adds no importance to the lyric. >But imagine extending the word "do" for a couple of >beats and replacing "hey baby" with "with you". It works, >but the impact is radically lessened. It's an example of >the sum of the lyric and melody exceeding its components. True enough, but there's something more to it, and I think it's the implied intimacy of the conversation. I remember one chilling talk years and years ago that I had with a significant other, and it had the same tone, the same sort of feeling of "I could kill you with my bare hands....if you mattered to me anymore, that is." Implied in that "hey baby" is all the resignation, the it's-outta-my-hands emotion, even the sense that the two people are even *physically" close as they are talking. Those two words brilliantly add so much depth and color to the scene. Those Hey Baby's get me, also. jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:17:44 -0000 From: "Joseph E. Vine Jr." Subject: Lesley Gore - Jack Nitzsche > >my favorite Nitzsche-arranged track of all time, Lesley > >Gore's "What Am I Gonna Do With You"-- > >Definitely my very favorite Lesley Gore recording Mine too. The vocal on the Mercury Anthology (and ALSO, Rhino's 1998 "Best Of Lesley Gore: Sunshine, Lollipops & Rainbows" and Demon-Westside's 2000 "My Town My Guy And Me/Sings All about Love" 2-fer) sounds awfully HARSH to me--and I'm not 100% certain it is the same vocal on the "Golden Hits" CD. All above versions are Stereo--the Mono version would have to be an improvement. The Rhino "Best Of" CD credits NO arranger for Track 14 'What Am I Gonna Do With You' yet Jack Nitzsche IS credited as arranger on Track 17 'Off And Running.' The Demon-Westside CD booklet says: "What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey Baby) Recorded in New York, July 23, 1965 Written by Russ Titelman & Gerry Goffin Arranged by Don Costa ...This was Lesley's second attempt at the song--a Jack Nitzsche-produced version cut in Hollywood having failed quality control. " > >the Mercury Anthology version is apparently the original > >mix, with a lot of the classic Gold Star echo on it and a > >more primitive stereo pan--instruments sort of huddled > >left of center, and Lesley over to the right and a > >little too upfront. The version on the Golden Hits cd > >was apparently remixed... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:54:29 -0500 From: "Jack Madani" Subject: Deconstructing the Wall, Honors Section Jamie LePage wrote: > Now I am about to tear apart the mixes. Egad. Remember, > this is my FAVORITE Lesley Gore recording! [Bigtime snip] > In fact, it is one redeeming quality of nearly all > stereo vs. mono mixes, and the same can often be said > of recent remixes. All those "sessions" tapes like > the Pet Sounds box too help pinpoint those tricks. To which brilliant discussion I can only quote from the liner notes to "Growin' Up Too Fast: The Girl Group Anthology:" Producers, who were in the habit of 'borrowing' techniques from one another, weren't necessarily happy with having to work in mono. Bob Crewe: 'Mono was anathema to most of us! If you separated into stereo, then you could figure out who was playing certain things. But if you kept it in mono, and layered it, no one could figure out what you'd put together to get that sound! I remember joking with Phil Spector about that.'" I'll be digesting your post for some time before I can get my brain all the way around it, Jamie. Good job. jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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