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Always handle records like this - without touching the playing surfaces.

There are 6 messages in this issue of Spectropop.

Topics in this Digest Number 81:

      1. Bobbie Gentry question
           From: Stewart Mason 
      2. Re: Mortimer
           From: "Sean Anglum" 
      3. Four Seasons
           From: John Clemente 
      4. Just a couple of facts
           From: The Right Reverend Bob 
      5. Re: beach boy controversy
           From: alan zweig 
      6. Phil Spector?
           From: Carol Kaye 


Message: 1
   Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:47:50 -0700
   From: Stewart Mason 
Subject: Bobbie Gentry question

I just did my twice-yearly used vinyl splurge at Bow Wow
Records (142 albums for $30), and among this batch were a
couple of Bobbie Gentry albums. I'm listening to ODE TO 
BILLIE JOE right now, and the title track is on. I could
swear this is not the hit single version. My sense memory
of this single is that she sings it deadpan, almost with 
the sweet-voiced detachment of Astrud Gilberto's English
vocals, and that's what makes the song so creepy. Her 
voice is much rougher and bluesy on this version, and it
sounds like it's just a hair faster. Am I just 
misremembering this song entirely or did she do more 
than one version?

Just for clarity, the album is ODE TO BILLIE JOE 
(Capitol ST2830), the cover photo is Bobbie in jeans and 
a white t-shirt sitting on a fence, and she just happens
to be holding her acoustic guitar in such a way as to 
emphasize her breasts. The back photo is even less 
subtle, with her standing, back to the camera, guitar 
over shoulder, left thumb hooked in the back pocket of 
her jeans, looking over her shoulder with a facial 
expression that says, "Yes, you looked at my butt before
you looked at my face. Why do you think I'm standing like
this?" Given that my childhood memories of her on the 
Glen Campbell Show all involve modest polyester 
pantsuits, I had no idea that she started out with a 
Caroll Baker-with-guitar shtick.

Speaking of Glen Campbell (and modest polyester 
pantsuits, come to think of it), I also bought BOBBIE 
GENTRY AND GLEN CAMPBELL and discovered an unexpected 
cover of Margo Guryan's "Sunday Morning," making this 
the fourth version I own of this song.

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Message: 2
   Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:41:24 -0700
   From: "Sean Anglum" 
Subject: Re: Mortimer

Greetings Spectroids,

Thanks for sparking the "Mortimer" remembrances........
the best one I have comes from the May 1968 appearance 
of John and Paul on the Tonight Show. They were in New 
York to hype the new Apple label (and shop, and film 
group, and publishing arm, et al) and appeared on the 
Tonight Show (then taped in New York). Johnny Carson was
off that night and baseballer Joe Garagiola (sp?) was the
sub host.

Anyway, I had the Mortimer LP and knew what they looked 
like and had heard the rumors of them either signing 
with Apple or Apple Publishing (having some sort of 
Baetle connection). Well, when the show went to 
commercial during the J&P segment, what did my wondering
eyes see, but Mortimer all sitting front row and center 
in the studio audience. If you're lucky enough to have a
video of this interview, check it out. They are there. 
Gives more creedence to the Beatle rumors, I'd say.

All the best in 2001.

Raised On Records,
Sean Anglum

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Message: 3
   Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 23:28:49 -0500
   From: John Clemente 
Subject: Four Seasons

Hello All,

I am sad to report that Nick Massi (Macioci), one of the
original Four Seasons, passed away from cancer on 
December 24th in West Orange, NJ. He was 73. Nick 
started his career in music by playing in jazz combos 
with fellow future Four Season Tom DeVito during the 
late 1940s. When he joined Frankie Valli and DeVito in 
The Four Lovers in the late 1950s, it wasn't long before
the group changed its name to The Four Seasons, with Bob 
Gaudio from The Bronx joining the three Newark natives. 
The group hit big in 1962 with "Sherry", under Massi's 
vocal direction, Charlie Callelo's musical direction and
the production and writing talents of Gaudio and Bob 
Crewe. After numerous hits to his credit (Big Girls 
Don't Cry, Marlena, Dawn, Rag Doll, etc.) Massi left The
Four Seasons in 1965. Massi then worked with The 
Victorians (Reprise) and Carmel in the late 60s and 70s.
The Four Seasons were eventually inducted into the R&R 
Hall of Fame.

John Clemente

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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:01:53 -0800 (PST)
   From: The Right Reverend Bob 
Subject: Just a couple of facts

Brian Wilson did NOT regain ownership of his songs, from
Almo Music, A&M's publishing branch. The settlement was 
for $$$! Brian had sued hoping to regain ownership, but 
one, Gene Landy, had very different, goals in mind. So 
the lawsuit focused on the dough, rather than on a 
settlement that allowed Brian to regain his songs, 
without a cash windfall.

The Capitol Years box set of years ago, was NOT a P Reum
production, or even a Peter Reum compilation. Peter, was 
asked to, and paid to, write the liner notes for the 
project, which was initially, done in England, Peter did
a wonderful job, on those liners, by the way, and I can't
emphasize enough, that this was a "legal" deal, and Peter, 
ONLY WROTE THE LINER NOTES! The BBs English "deal" of 
the day, was very different than it is today. World 
Records, as they called themselves were "leased" the 
rights to BBs recordings for a one time, limited and 
numbered, issue. As long as, royalties were paid, as 
contracted, the deal, that made the English version, of 
the Capitol Years box set happen, was completely legal!

Now here's the tricky part! When the box set was, 
illegally, as I understand it, issued in Australia, and 
then, finally in Japan, (though, publishing law in both 
of these countries, is considerably different than the 
US or even England, ask Paul McCartney!), the fertilizer
hit the cooling unit. At that time, it was also 
discovered that royalties were being paid to the BBs for, 
the Survivors- Pamela Jean/After the Game. It was 
erroneously believed, at that time, (Peter's liner notes
substantiate this error), that the Survivors were simply 
the BBs in cognito. They were NOT. and the guys, that 
WERE, the group, which did include Brian, BTW, were 
interested in getting proper credit, and royalties.

Refer to Jamie's post in the previous issue of Spectropop
digest, for a more detailed, legalese, explanation of 
the wonderful world of music and publishing

The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of
the Harmonic Overdub

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Message: 5
   Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:38:38 -0500
   From: alan zweig
Subject: Re: beach boy controversy

I don't know anything about the current Beach Boys 
controversy but I do find the uproar here on this list a
bit strange. Some guy actually had the insolence to say 
that he disagreed with Carol and the jaws could be heard
dropping all over the world. As far as I recall, his 
disagreement was very respectful.

But suddenly outraged fingers are banging on keys.

Carol reminds us once more of her qualifications. As in..

>With over 10,000 record dates to my name, a Lifetime 
>Achievement Award, and a Women in Music Award etc., I'd 
>say I have the background to support this lawsuit 
>publicly to help my friends)

Since when did you need to be qualified to hold an 
opinion or to support your friends? But it's not just 
Carol herself who jumps to her own defense, even though 
no defense was necessary.

BUT we also get supporters for her right to an opinion, as in... 

>  From: Dmirich
> Subject: BB recordings
> Carol has a right to side with the Beach Boys.

Not only that but again, in my opinion, he 
mischaracterizes the disagreement. As in...

 >But you shouldn't admonish Carol so strongly

I don't believe he admonished her at all.
(And if he did, she can stick up for herself.)

I hope my opinion here isn't seen as disrespectful.
I don't mean it that way.  I'm just trying to keep the 
conversation going.


P.S. :
>The BB lawyers must feel that there is good legal 
>reasoning to file the suit. 

Yeah, the good reason is they might make some money.

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Message: 6
   Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:47:21 -0800
   From: Carol Kaye
Subject: Phil Spector?

I don't think you can compare this with Phil Spector's 
operation at all. Even I have a huge record company 
compared to surf-s up,

Carol Kaye

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