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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 3/9/98
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        Volume #0052                               03/10/98
                     Unbreakable 45 RPM Record
    Subject:     Full Measure
    Sent:        3/9/98 1:30 AM
    Received:    3/9/98 1:31 AM
    Bash wrote:
    >if indeed there is inherent quality in music, 
    >has existed in the same measure in every decade.
    Couldn't agree more. The important difference being that in  
    the 60's, cool records had a fair shot at the Top 40. A lot 
    of  trendsetting records were huge hits. Today, a lot of 
    really  great records are known only to a small group of 
    people who   collect obscurities. In the peak 60's era, the 
    ratio of *hits*  with inherent quality was far higher than 
    during either the preceding or following eras.
    Archived by Spectropop
    Subject:     Big Star 
    Sent:        3/7/98 8:50 AM
    Received:    3/7/98 10:51 AM
    In a message dated 3/6/1998 5:42:30 PM Central Standard Time, writes:
     Also we should not forget the early 70's power-popsters such 
     as Big Star, Stories, Blue Ash and the Raspberries. There 
     were other champions of melodic pop- rock in the early 70's 
     such as 10 CC, Todd Rundgren, The Wackers and The Dwight 
     Twilly Band. Finally, what about the glam rock movement and 
     The New York Dolls, T-Rex or even Sweet. 
    I love Big Star too. 
    They are one of the musical treasures from here in Memphis.
    John King
    ---[ archived by Spectropop - 03 /10/98 - 01 :52:12 AM ]---
    Subject:     Shirelles/Cookies "Foolish Little Girl"
    Sent:        3/7/98 9:55 AM
    Received:    3/7/98 10:51 AM
    From:        David Feldman,
    > I have a question about another pair of competing versions: 
    > the Cookies and the Shirelles both recorded the song 
    > "Foolish Little Girl." Which is considered to be "the" 
    > version? I'm inclined to think it's the Cookie version, 
    > since the song itself is so perfectly suited to their 
    > "chorus-vs.-low-alto-lead" style. But I don't know for 
    > sure, since there's no discography info included in my Rhino 
    > Shirelles Best Of or my Sequel Complete Cookies.
    Gee, Jack, that's one of my very favorite Shirelles 
    performance. It has been eons since I've heard the Cookies 
    version, but it's hard to believe it tops the Shirelles. I 
    love the cheesy keyboard instrumental break on the 
    Shirelles's version. And of course, the Shirelles version 
    was much the bigger hit.
    I love "romantic advice" songs. Smokey Robinson was a 
    master at writing them, but my all-time favorite is "Mama 
    Didn't Lie," one of my very favorite Curtis Mayfield 
    masterpieces. I have to admit I've never heard anything 
    else Jan Bradley has sung.
    Dave Feldman
    RIP: Carl Wilson
    CD of the Month:  "Other Songs" (Ron Sexsmith)
    Best Time Killer of the 90's:  Filling out the gender survey at
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    Subject:     Shirelles/Cookies "Foolish Little Girl"
    Sent:        3/7/98 1:28 PM
    Received:    3/7/98 8:23 PM
    From:        Paulurbahn, PaulurbXXX@XXXXXXm
    In a message dated 98-03-06 18:42:30 EST, you write:
    >I have a question about another pair of competing versions: 
    >the Cookies and the Shirelles both recorded the song 
    >"Foolish Little Girl." Which is considered to be "the" 
    Paul Urbahns said:
    The Shirelles is the hit version made it to #6 in 1963. I 
    wasn't even aware the Cookies had recorded it until this 
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    Subject:     Shirelles/Cookies "Foolish Little Girl"
    Sent:        3/8/98 12:12 AM
    Received:    3/8/98 9:04 AM
    From:        Doc Rock, docroXXX@XXXXXXom
    >I have a question about another pair of competing versions: 
    >the Cookies and the Shirelles both recorded the song 
    >"Foolish Little Girl." Which is considered to be "the" 
    When you ask what is the definitive version, do you mean 
    best, or original? Any song the Cookies did is the original 
    I have the Sequel Cookies CD, and it is one of my very 
    favorite Girl Group CDs. But the Cookies were not a group 
    per se. They were demo singers. Besides the official 
    Cookies, others participated on the recordings, including 
    Little Eve and Carole King. Listen carefully to the Cookies 
    CD, and you'll hear Carole in there. Following an excerpt 
    from my book, "Liberty Records," and an interview with Lou 
    Adler. The style of Carole King's demos for Bobby Vee and 
    other Liberty artists endured beyond Liberty and King's demo 
    work. Lou Adler: "When I went in to cut Tapestry with her, 
    that was the sound I went after. A simple sound to try to 
    recreate what she had been doing with the piano way up 
    "Jackie DeShannon was also close to it. The music 
    business in Los Angeles and Hollywood at that time was very 
    close knit. It was all around Vine Street and up to La 
    Brea. Sharon Sheeley, Sonny Curtis, Roger Miller, the 
    Everly Brothers and more were all in one group, and it 
    wasn't very big. So there was a lot of good exchange of 
    ideas and a lot of great fun. The camaraderie was such that 
    everyone wanted everyone else to make it." 
    If Carole King's demos were so great, then why not release 
    them like Jackie DeShannon's hit demo of "Needles and 
    Pins"? In fact, Carole King's 1962 Dimension hit "It Might 
    As Well Rain Until December" was a Bobby Vee demo. And it 
    went beyond that. Releasing demos was not that unusual. "We 
    (Screen Gems music) had a label called Dimension. A lot of 
    our demos came out on Dimension. If no one would do a song 
    we felt strongly about, we'd put the demo out. Like the 
    Bobby Vee single that Carole King had a hit with, "It Might 
    As Well Rain Until September." 'Locomotion' by Little Eva 
    was written for Dee Dee Sharp. All of the Cookies' records 
    ["Chains," Don't Say Nothin' Bad About My Baby"] were 
    originally written for Philadelphia artists. Any time no 
    one would do it, we'd put it out."
    Back to me and the Cookies CD. Listen to "The Old Crowd" 
    which became a Lesley Gore LP cut. That song was obviously 
    written for the Orlons -- just dig that drum!
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