________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ A spectacularly complete kind of music-making ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 7 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Tommy James From: Matthew Kaplan 2. Re: Tommy James and the Shondells From: "Jamie LePage" 3. Carpenters remixes and a real lost oldie From: paulurbahn 4. Re: Carpenters box set From: Marc Wielage 5. When You Get Right Down To It From: "David Feldman" 6. Re: Digest Number 7/ Jill Gibson From: Jason tecmofiend 7. retro ba ba da From: Jack Madani --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:39:07 EDT From: Matthew Kaplan Subject: Tommy James Michael G, Marvin wrote about Tommy Jame's track "Crystal Blue Persuasion", for the record there is another version of that song from 1969 and it is by the wonderful Kelly Brothers on Excello Records (2308EXC) where it is turned into a beautiful soul vocal harmony number. The Kelly Brothers of course had previously had R&B chart success with "Falling In Love Again" (Sims 265, 1966) and under the name The King Pins with "It Won't Be This Way (Always)" (Federal 12484, 1963). Matthew Kaplan --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 00 23:08:19 +0900 From: "Jamie LePage" Subject: Re: Tommy James and the Shondells Michael G, Marvin of WASE radio wrote: >"Hanky Panky" their first hit was recorded >in a Michigan radio station in 1963. The song was >initially a regional hit in Lower Michigan and Northern >Indiana. What made the song a national hit was a >Pittsburgh Pa dj found a stray copy of the record and >played it either on the radio or at a teen dance (Reports >vary as to where the song got its initial play). After >that success Tommy James recruited a new group of >Shondells (the Hanky Panky version of the Shondells gave >up after their regional success)... It's a great record, no doubt. A primitive recording with minimal arrangement, in fact the record has very little to stand on outside of it being an incredible pop song with a highly contagious hook. One observation I've made is that TJ/Shondells' version seems to have "anglo'd" the record >from the NY/R&B based original, and I often wondered whether it was a conscious effort to mimic the technique the Brits had been successfully employing for the previous three or four years. I often wonder what caused them to cover this particular song. After all, Jeff & Ellie's original was a rather obscure B-side, wasn't it? Tommy James recorded for Roulette, which brings the conversation around to Morris Levy. There must be some great stories here, for the time frame of TJ/Shondells' hits places Morris and Tommy James together at the end of the Roulette story when artists generally were just beginning to get slightly better remuneration for their services. Has Tommy James ever been interviewed candidly about the relationship with Levy? I would be interested to know. All the best, Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:23:10 EDT From: paulurbahn Subject: Carpenters remixes and a real lost oldie I have noticed the Carpenters record Top Of The World in its original version has a lot stronger "steel guitar" in the opening. Some fans have called it the "country version" Later versions have it dubbed out. This is not to confuse the Carpenters version with Lynn Anderson's excellent recording which you never hear on oldies radio where they rewrite history. A friend of mine and I recently discussed the new term "Lost Oldies" actually there are very few true lost oldies. When oldies radio came into vogue, the programmers were too young or stupid (or both) to do anything but look at Joel Whitburn's books. So they only played say Top 5, therefore everything else became "lost" to the ignorant. Folks on this list can really make up a list of lost oldies. One I point to is Yogi by the Ivy Three made #10 on Cashbox in 1960. I can recall hearing the song on the radio when it was popular because I was 10 years old then, and I liked "Yogi Bear" on TV. His voice was used in the song. I have a sound-alike of the song but can't recall ever seeing the record for sale since. Truly a lost oldie. This is what the all music guide says about the Ivy Three <<>> Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:00:42 -0700 From: Marc Wielage Subject: Re: Carpenters box set Michael G. Marvin commented on on 7/30/00 1:28 AM: > I do not have the box set. But I was told there were > songs on there that had new keyboards overdubbed. I have > the two disc set and these songs had new keyboards > overdubbed. There are "Yesterday Once More", "Superstar" > (sounds like a Prophet synthesizer was used her), "Bless > The Beasts and Children", "We've Only Just Begun" and > probably others. I was somewhat diappointed at this > tampering. >-----------------------------
-----------------------------< Gee, I thought everybody knew the story on this. What happened was, Richard Carpenter was never happy with the drumming, bass guitar work, the noise level, and his own piano work on a lot of their early hits. After Karen's death in early 1983, Richard, spent several years re-recording over a hundred tracks, many of which were used for the original CD versions of all their albums. Many fans noticed and complained, but Richard was adamant that "this was the way I would have released these songs if we had only had the ability to do so back in the '70s." I could go over the minute differences on each song, but it'd take too long and bore everybody to tears. But 90% of it boils down to Carpenter and engineer Roger Nichols using automation to mute unused channels and reduce hiss, replacing the piano, replacing the drums, and/or replacing the bass sections. I don't believe any synthesizers were used in this process, but I think they did used triggered samples of real instruments in some cases. Carpenter himself explains some of his philosophy behind the remixes on their 1991 FROM THE TOP boxed set. The Carpenters CDs continued to sell by impressive numbers throughout the 1980s and 1990s (and indeed, are among A&M's all-time biggest catalog sellers). A couple of years ago, A&M's Japanese division asked permission to assemble together all the original Carpenters albums as an expensive ($500), limited-edition boxed set -- and this time, they wanted to use the original mixes, plus exact cardboard replicas of the LP sleeves and artwork. Permission was granted, and incredibly, all 5000 copies of the boxed set sold out in a week! (I consider myself lucky to have snagged a copy myself, but I got it only because I did some work for the people who've produced several Carpenters home video specials over the last ten years.) A&M's U.S. reissue execs sat up and took notice of the sales in Japan, and made the decision shortly afterwards to reissue all the Carpenters albums in their original mixes worldwide as well. You can easily tell the difference between the old mixes and new ones by means of an identifying label inset in the jewel box spine, which proclaims "Remastered Classics." The new albums are fairly noisy, but they do present the original songs as they were heard on vinyl in the 1970s. If it's ORIGINAL Carpenters you want to hear, then only buy the CDs labeled that way. (And be sure that's what you play on your radio station, too.) --MFW -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -= Marc Wielage | "The computerized authority =- -= MusicTrax, LLC | on rock, pop, & soul." =- -= Chatsworth, CA | =- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:55:57 -0400 From: "David Feldman" Subject: When You Get Right Down To It Michael said: > "When you get right down to it" is one of my > favorite Mann songs. His version is soft and beautiful > (and better than the Delfonics). I think Carole King's > "Tapestry" was the catalyst for getting this out. I haven't heard Barry Mann's version, but it's hard for me to believe that anyone can top Ronnie Dyson's version, originally found on what I consider to be Thom Bell's masterpiece, "One Man Band." Unfortunately, the album is out of print, but the songs, "One Man Band," "I Just Don't Want To Be Lonely" (which I also consider to be the definitive version), and "When You Get Right Down To It" are all on the Dyson Collectables "His All Time Golden Classics" collection. Unfortunately, the set is uneven. Ronnie Dyson was a true prodigy, a rare teenager who sang lyrics with depth and maturity. In this sense, he reminds me a little of the young Dionne Warwick. It's a shame that his talent was obscured by personal problems and a premature death. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:43:59 EDT From: Jason Subject: Re: Digest Number 7/ Jill Gibson In a message dated 7/27/00 3:45:01 AM Central Daylight Time, spectropop writes: > There was also quite a bit of interesting coverage on > Jill in Michelle Phillips' autobiography. > > I wonder, Jason, if your friend may also have any info on > another Jan Berry session - not by Jill, but another girl > singer, apparently named Pixie, on a girl-group number > called "I'm Dying To Give My Love To You". A few very > bad taped copies of this were in circulation many years > ago. Sound quality was poor, taken from a bad acetate, > but there was enough to hear what an great track it was. > > Ian Sorry, Ian, that track is not on the disc. Thanks for the info. I had read the Priore article before, and that's what led me to search down the record in the first place. "Easy as 123" is a lost classic! For those interested, the Jill / Shelly duets are "Come On" (two versions), "Just For Tonight" and "Baby What's It Gonna Be". Jason --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:13:26 -0400 From: Jack Madani Subject: retro ba ba da I have recently come across a really intriguing cd called "Songs For The Jetset 2000." Read a really mouthwatering review of it (the reviewer namechecks "mid-60's Swinging London" and uses the phrase "psychedelic, dreamy, and lounge-y") at www.inmusicwetrust.com, and then hyperlink >from there over to jetset records' web site to listen to an mp3 sample. The volume 2 mp3 doesn't seem to work, but the ones for volumes 1 and 3 do function, and boy oh boy are the sounds authentic. I'm mulling over plunking down the requisite sawbuck for volume 3 (sure do wish there were more than one sound bite to sample). Anyone else know anything about this retro series? It sure sounds spectropoppy. jack --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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