__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________ http://www.spectropop.com/ __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0415 May 7, 2000 __________________________________________________________ Music Everywhere You Go Subject: The Fleetwoods Received: 05/07/00 12:21 pm From: John Hesterman To: Spectropop! Greetings to all :) Does anyone on the list have information on a recording by The Fleetwoods called "Just As I Need You?" It was the flip side of "Rainbow", I believe on the Dolton label. I would appreciate any details, including info on a CD release if there has been one. I've seen a lot of Fleetwood CD's, but so far none of them include these two selections. Thank you all in advance! This is a GREAT forum :) John Hesterman A Grape :) Also an Offbeat :) With a TRACE of music in there somewhere! You're invited to visit The Grapes Of Wrath Web Site at: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/garage/1272 You're invited to visit The Offbeats Web Site at: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/6129/index.html You're invited to visit the Gear Fab Records Web Site at: http://www.swiftsite.com/gearfab You're invited to visit the Twist & Shake Fanzine Web Site at: http://www.evans-family.com/twist.htm NOW ON THE WEB! www.5Grapes.com THE DOMAIN! Please Visit! Enjoy :) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Darlene Love Received: 05/03/00 11:37 am From: john rausch To: Spectropop! Here is an intesting link to the Rosie O Donnell site with 2 clips of Darlene performing. http://rosieo.warnerbros.com/cmp/dld/love.htm John Rausch Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sound @ http://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: RE: Mirasound Received: 05/03/00 11:37 am From: Phil Chapman To: Spectropop! Michael: According to various credits on the Shangri-Las recordings UltraSonic was one of the studios they used, along with Mirasound. The Raindrops album is entirely credited to Mirasound and engineer Brooks Arthur, who, if it was he, is a hero in my book for the outrageous 4-bar compression drumbreak in "The Kind Of Boy....". I understand "What A Guy" was a demo, but I assumed Jeff & Ellie would have stuck with Mirasound/Brooks for their future Red Bird stuff. Most of the 'produced' Shangri-Las recordings have a kind of homogeneous penetrating top end, with the notable exception of "Out In The Streets" which is screech-free, with clear drums & echo and a wonderful subsonic bass end - I'd like to know more about this recording. I agree that the drums on The Locomotion sound great, but they don't have anything to compete with, other than a couple of saxes & vocals - the bass & acoustic are quite low in the mix. I'm referring to Phil's style of production where peak frequencies can build up with multiple overdubs, and that is significant on "I Wonder". Incidentally, Neil Diamond's Bang recordings have this quality, does anybody know where he recorded those early Jeff & Ellie tracks? Phil --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: yikes, I can't remember how to spell Edie's name Received: 05/03/00 11:37 am From: WASE RADIO To: Spectropop! To Jack: The name is Eydie Gorme'. This kind of reminds me. My parents had two albums by her. One was "Showstoppers" her album of famous Broadway tunes. One of the earliest albums to be recorded in stereo. Could now be out on CD. I would hope so. I thought it was great. The other album that my folks had was "Gorme' Country Style"-simply her doing country songs in her pop style. I read that many of her old ABC-Paramount albums are out on CD-but none of her Columbia stuff is. A shame. Michael G. Marvin WASE radio --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Various Received: 05/03/00 11:37 am From: Carol Kaye To: Spectropop! >>>>This gets me thinking of Chris Montez. You played bass on some of his tracks, right Carol? I just bought a Montez "Best of" and nearly every song got the same beat, rhythms and arrangement. "Call Me" must've been some kind of blue print for him...do you know who arranged his music? As far as I know, Herb Alpert only was the producer. Anyway, most of his songs sound like they were indeed recorded in the same 3-hour session!<<< Tobias, yes, I'm playing on all of Chris Montez's things of the 60s, guitar on his 1st hit of "Let's Dance", and then bass after that "The More I See You", "Call Me" etc.. His music was sort of dry, not much to it, just a nice groove and Chris has a lot of talent, good to work for etc. It took us 3 hours to cut everyone's things 4-5 tunes, all worked that way except for Phil Spector and Brian. I personally like Chris Montez, he's been over to my place here to "jam jazz things", he plays a pretty fair am't of guitar. A really nice person and still good-looking too after all these years. About the way he did those standards sometimes tho', having been a stone-cold bebop jazzer, it was kind of hard to play those jazz tunes in the pop vein for me at times....but hey, it's all music - you try for a hit no matter what. As for those books out there, my point in speaking about the "library" was that it's pretty evident, they're NOT interested in those books -- and according to others I've spoken with across the country, they say the same things -- not much action about those books. Everyone says "they sell with that sleaze", I beg to differ - maybe a little at first years back but not so much now -- I think the public is just as sick of them as I am (almost)....they don't really sell that well at all (except to "libraries"). Our "Thumbs Up" is in all the Tower and Wherehouse stores, under the label "MR-C", our own partnership label (our initials Mitch, Ray, Carol). It's being played on quite a few jazz stations (and a few pop ones as well) across the USA. Best, Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Chris Montez Received: 05/03/00 11:37 am From: Jamie LePage To: Spectropop! Tobias wrote: >I just bought a Montez >"Best of" and nearly every song got the same beat, rhythms >and arrangement. "Call Me" must've been some kind of blue >print for him...do you know who arranged his music? As far >as I know, Herb Alpert only was the producer. Anyway, most >of his songs sound like they were indeed recorded in the >same 3-hour session! Welcome, little brother, to the A&M Sound. Granted, not all A&M releases fall into the same pattern, but enough do that a definable sound can be attributed to the name A&M. What are the common denominators? For one, great songwriting and song selection (the R in A&R). Bacharach/ David come up quite often, Lennon/McCartney and Brian Wilson covers show up regularly, and of course there were the Almo staff writers like Roger Nichols to furnish material to the A&M artists. Sandpipers, Bacharach, Claudine Longet, Small Circle of Friends and Chris Montez typify the sound - a decidedly "young adult"-oriented approach. The records seem to be targeted not at the slightly younger rock and roll crowd, but rather the 25 to 35 year old audience that embraced 60s pop/rock to an extent while clinging to the more traditional forms of contemporary popular music like big band and bossanova. With excellent A&R, superb arrangers and great musicianship, there was little need for experimentation to make high quality recordings. Herb Alpert and Co. were not trying to outdo Sgt. Pepper's, or push the borders as Brian Wilson had, or even for that matter introduce a "new" type of artists a la VDP/Randy Newman as W/B were doing across the hill on Barham. No, A&M were content to release wonderfully crafted if unchallenging pop music to the masses, culminating with the enormous success of the Carpenters, perhaps the last of the A&M artists molded in the classic A&M style. It is true that many of Chris Montez' A&M sides have a similar style. The production often used the Frank Guido "live-in-the-studio with all my friends" approach, but the groove is easy, the singing so relaxing, and once again, the songwriting is fantastic. All I can suggest to you, Toby, about the A&M sound is: Don't expect to be challenged, or overwhelmed. It's easy, light, and wonderfully appealing. One final note, Call Me was definitely NOT the Chris Montez blueprint. Years before Call Me, Montez was a Latino rocker with two big hits - Let's Dance and Some Kinda Fun, both rockin' little rekkids that share nothing with the later Montez sides cut for A&M. As far as I know there are no Montez releases with these hits together with his A&M sides. Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Spectropop post Received: 05/03/00 11:37 am From: Bob Hanes To: Tobias Bernsand CC: Spectropop! Tobias; I won't even try and explain why you're naive about the biz these days, it just ain't that simple. Talk to David Leaf or Brad Elliott or anyone that wrote an honest book and went the indie route. Whew! However, the Dennis Wilson book by John Stebbins is to Dennis as David Leaf's book was to Brian. Very accurate and very sympathetic and very well written and very very worth buying. On the other hand they (the aforementioned authors)/we love(d) these two characters very much, it might be fair to accuse the book of being bias in Dennis" behalf.. Not wrong or inaccurate, just slanted, a bit. Interestingly enough, Chris Montez is/ was from Hawthorne and went to Hawthorne High School. That's right, he too was a Cougar. Another unimportant factoid for the Swede over there in the third row with so damn many names that I've finally lost count. Go crimson and gold!? The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of the Harmonic Overdub --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: re: echoplex machines and maestrovoxes.. Received: 05/02/00 12:55 am From: Rough Trade Shop To: Spectropop! I have an echoplex machine which i find just perfect for putting my guitar through....its main drawback is that its rather heavy...( a big black heavy box - about the size of an old dansette! but kinda taller...). i spent a whole day in music shops once trying to find a smaller (digital even...) pedal which would be a more portable alternative. i had no luck finding anything which sounded anywhere near as good! any ideas anyone? also this week i brought a 'maestrovox' which is a really old monophonic (is that the right word? only one note at a time?) keyboard with its own built in amplifier...kinda primitive but cute.... does anyone know any websites where i could find out more about them? any info appreciated! tah! x delia x > The other >method is using tape delay. A continuous loop tape is run >on a machine with the record heads and playback heads >both simultaneously in use, and the distance between the >record head and playback would determine the length of >the delay. Usually these devices would have a control >that would allow you to adjust the distance of the heads >(i.e.: the length of the delay). This is the theory >behind the Echoplex machine (which used tape cartridges >instead of open reel tape), popular with guitarists in >the pre-digital days. > > Glenn Sadin > email@example.com > www.roughtrade.com if you'd like to be sent regular new releases emails let me know ph-0171 792 3490 fax 0171 221 1146 at....130 talbot road , london , wiiija, u.k. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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