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Spectropop V#0390

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 02/27/00

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       Volume #0390                              February 28, 2000   
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    Subject:     punchin' all the buttons, tryin' to find a station...
    Received:    02/27/00 9:26 pm
    From:        Jack Madani
    To:          Spectropop!
    ...with a screamin' jock...
    Actually, I think I found one. It's "jammin' gold 95.7" 
    out of Philadelphia, and I don't even know the call 
    letters but that's okay because you can listen to an 
    internet stream of the station at the url 
    The station is an 60's-70's-80's oldies station but with a
    "black audience" orientation, which is to say that they 
    play motown, mussel shoals, gamble & huff, thom bell, 
    rodgers & edwards, etc. They also pump up the bass on the 
    radio signal, which means that it's hilarious to listen to
    them old supremes tracks being broadcast with a heavy 
    bootstompin' backbeat (the opening to "where did our love 
    go" sounds like the Wehrmacht marching into the 
    Sudetenland). On the other hand, I have been utterly blown
    away to re-listen to a track like Chic's "I Want Your Love"
    and really *hear* that outstanding bass being played at 
    warp speed like it was a lead guitar track. And Freda 
    Payne's Band Of Gold never rocked harder. Cool.
    Listen weekday mornings to the early drive-time slot, 
    because the deejay is named Terry Young and man, he is 
    shoutin' and spittin' and ragin' like he was the son of 
    Jerry Blavat or something. He does stupid celeb imitations, 
    rags on callers ("is this Terry?" [in slightly eastern 
    european voice:] "no, he stepped out. What can I do for 
    you?"), and talks over the intros of songs right up the 
    nanosecond before the singing starts. I swear, there are 
    times when I can't tell what he's saying, he talks so fast. 
    Plus the station has ID jingles that have that oldtime 
    PAMS sound. What a great throwback.
    On another note, for those who like that sort of thing, I 
    found an interesting web site dedicated to Bubblegum music. 
    It can be found at 
    Spectropop continues to rule.
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    Subject:     Gypped
    Received:    02/23/00 1:20 am
    From:        David Mirich
    To:          Spectropop!
    "Give 'em what they wan." I saw CCRevisited (Stuart and 
    Tom) last summer with the Beach Boys (Bruce and Mike). 
    What the heck, we all had fun. When I see a movie, a play,
    or symphony, I am not expecting to see the original artists
    who brought the work to life. Yeah, I wish Ricky Wilson of 
    the B52s hadn't died so long ago. But it doesn't diminish 
    my enjoyment every single time Iv'e seen then live, they 
    still rock! But I sure don't complain when I get to see 
    the real-deal either (CSNY tomorrow night!)
    Dave Mirich
    << Consider yourself lucky to have been gypped? I'm sorry, I 
     just don't see how this is defensible. Billing yourself as
     Person X of Group Y is one thing, but if the band only has 
     one of the original members (especially if this member 
     wasn't the singer or other focal point), then I don't see 
     how you can in good faith call yourself that band.
    David Mirich, Ph.D.  School Psychologist
    Multilingual Assessment Services Team
    Denver Public Schools
    "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them 
    pick themselves up and hurry off as it nothing had happened"  Winston 
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    Subject:     Jerry Lewis ... and Sagattarius
    Received:    02/25/00 3:53 am
    From:        Bates, Robert (Cahners-NYC)
    To:          Spectropop!
    I was just looking up "Present Tense" by Sagittarius on 
    Amazon.Com -- and noticed it was the #7 record in France 
    (based on purchases)! I was pretty stunned that this record
    that was a dud in the sixties has suddenly become a hit in 
    France. Anyone know any reason for this?
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    Subject:     Jimmy Webb/Marionette
    Received:    02/23/00 1:21 am
    From:        AVIRS
    To:          Spectropop!
    Does anyone have any information (cover versions) on this 
    song? The 5th Dimension recorded a version for Magic 
    Garden but it was never finished. Just curious. Thanks.
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    Subject:     Russ Wapensky's Musician Union Studio Musician credit book
    Received:    02/24/00 1:58 am
    From:        Carol Kaye
    To:          Spectropop!
    One of the reasons why it's taken so long lately, the 
    toughest trickiest stuff to research is all the names 
    added to Musicians' Union contracts, names that have 
    nothing to do with our bunch of regular studio musicians. 
    Some are bona-fide, like a few times one or more temporary
    studio musicians recorded for 2-20x then never were heard 
    of again, and that list even includes Mike Post who sat in
    on some of Phil Spector's dates, no problem there.
    Then you have the "office clerk's name" (maybe), or a 
    friend's name added to the contract just so they get paid 
    by the record company, they probably weren't there in the 
    studio either, but the name is added on the contract....
    all this besides the usual changing of the recording date 
    to avoid paying a late penalty fine for late payment from 
    a record company, or any contractor who is filling out the
    forms the least mistake can throw off the research. 
    Some contracts list all the musicians, the artist, studio,
    company but "no names of tunes", which has taken months to 
    track down sometimes. 
    Plus many contracts are still missing, or worse, stolen, 
    like a 1-2 of the Beach Boys contracts that made their way
    on the back of a record album (pirated record) put out in 
    Russ has his hands full with all this last-minute detail...
    he's a perfectionist, a trusted government employee also...
    and this has set him back a long time in research....he
    expected to have the book done 1-2 years ago. But the wait 
    will be worth it. 
    Our Union/Federation knows how important this book is and 
    will be and has thanked Russ many times in straightening 
    out our contract situations too, he's found missing 
    contracts, put them in good order, etc. and has more than 
    helped with all this which has a direct bearing on our 
    re-use checks too, thanks Russ!!!!! 
    Russ Wapensky has been welcomed and given carte-blanche in
    our records which are now closed to everyone after so many 
    thefts and pseudo-researchers got into our files....the 
    records are kept safe in a vault, guarded very well. 
    And he's gained our trust and confidence with all the 
    years of interviews he's done with I'd say 100s of our 
    group of studio musicians, arrangers, producers, record 
    company execs, and singers also, inc. backup studio 
    singers....believe me, this will be an eye-poppin' book 
    when it comes out. 
    Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     Meaningful Connections
    Received:    02/23/00 12:35 am
    From:        Jamie LePage
    To:          Spectropop!
    Following the Cake thread, I wrote:
    >"Priscilla sings Herself," the Priscilla Paris solo album 
    >on York Records (4005). I was reminded of this record 
    >because it sounds like it was recorded around the time of 
    >the Cake's "Baby That's Me." 
    >Produced by Greene & Stone, arranged by Don Peake and 
    >Harold Battiste, engineering by Doc Siegel and Stan Ross. 
    >This pinpoints Gold Star as one of the studios...
    >Where did Doc Siegel usually work and what other 
    >of his records fall into our area of discussion? Also, 
    >York Records was Greene & Stone's imprint, wasn't it?
    Alan Ackerman wrote about the Cake:
    >...The Cake. I...cherish the first three cuts on
    >Side One. The rest of the album is flat and
    Thanks for that. I suspected their albums couldn't be 
    consistently as good as "Baby That's Me." 
    These are all the same names that are connected with the 
    Priscila record. What I thought to be a vague similarity 
    between Cake and Priscilla Sings Herself turns out to be 
    the work of nearly the same lineup. That's helpful; 
    it fits together two pieces of the Greene-Stone puzzle.
    >There were other engineers at Gold Star besides Larry
    >Levine who, as we all know, was Phil Spector's. 
    For some reason, I don't think Doc Siegel was a Gold Star 
    regular. Anyone know? Also, the name Jim Hilton is 
    unfamiliar. Perhaps he was a later Gold Star staff 
    >Greene and Stone were not record producers...
    Your point is taken, and in comparison with Spector, 
    Leiber/Stoller, Bacharach and other "total sound" 
    producers, no one can argue. But this gets into the area 
    of "what is a producer?" It's anyone assigned that role, 
    and it varies between doing virtually everything to doing 
    nothing more than ordering lunch. In defense of Greene and
    Stone (whom I know very little about), they did try to mold
    themselves after the Phil Spector pattern, and their downfall
    as far as I perceive was that they came in too late to 
    succeed with that formula. The girl group thing was on the
    wane and groups like Buffalo Springfield were part of the 
    movement toward artists having creative control over their
    output. Greene & Stone may have been Spector wannabes, but 
    I think they were on the right track trying to make 
    records the old-school way but with a contemporary 
    approach. Despite their efforts they seemed to have been 
    consumed in the tsunami of FM and "serious" rock. 
    The early Buffalo Springfield records by Greene and Stone 
    are my favorites of the band's catalog. Clean, straight, 
    and to the point. Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing is a 
    great fave. As soon as Greene and Stone rescinded creative
    control, the band started to lose it. The album Again 
    hopelessly tried to hide the strain of the transition, but
    it was obvious. The more Gold Star-ish tracks like 
    Expecting to Fly are in my mind the great last recordings 
    of the Spector/L.A. era sound. Again, I think we need more
    of these.
    I am not saying Greene and Stone were musical geniuses, 
    but judging from the few things I have heard I find that I
    very much like their records.
    Alan continues on Baby That's Me.
    >"World of Dreams," by Mac Rebennack, is as perfect a girl
    >group ditty as was ever written. The arrangement and mix
    >here are a clinic in how to produce a Phil Spector song.
    >The musicians listed are all the usual Spector/Beach
    >Boy/Gold-Star suspects of the 60s, including one Carol
    >Kaye who posts to this Board. I really hope Carol will
    >add her memories for us about the Cake sessions.
    Carol wrote she didn't recall the Cake sessions, although 
    the record sure sounds like all of Phil's regulars bathed 
    in glorious Gold Star echo (and is so credited). It's not 
    hard to imagine the sessions were probably rather 
    uneventful. Greene and Stone probably just hired all the 
    right people and let Stan, the arrangers and musicians 
    hold their "clinic" and come up with the desired 
    faux-Spector sound.
    >The best part of "Baby That's Me" is from the second
    >verse on when the strings are allowed to enter the party
    >in the Spector manner and remain there the rest of the
    >evening. The strings on this record are as near perfect
    >as I've ever heard on record. Maybe even better than
    >Spector did except for a couple of times. The echo
    >becomes a whole other sound, very ethereal and compelling.
    Well stated. It is precisely the strings and resounding 
    echo that pushes this record past "very good" to 
    "essential." Not many records achieve this powerful state, 
    may I suggest the aforementioned "Expecting to Fly" to be 
    one of them.
    Wonderful post, Alan. Thanks for that.
    P.S. I guess it doesn't hurt to ask...If anyone can make a 
    clean reference copy of the Cake's first album for me, 
    please email me off-list.
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