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Spectropop V#0387

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 02/16/00

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       Volume #0387                       February 16, 2000   
           Project 3 Records have achieved Total Sound!       
    Subject:     Re: Love update
    Received:    02/16/00 3:56 am
    From:        Andrew Sandoval
    To:          Spectropop!
    Gethsemene, the rumoured 4th Love album, does not exist. 
    However its title is another of Arthur's play on the 
    words for "get some money" (I'm sure he'd be happy to sell
    you the statue of liberty too). Ken Forsi died of brain 
    cancer four or five years ago - he was living in Florida 
    at the time. Bryan Maclean passed away at a resteraunt in 
    Los Angeles on Christmas Day a year ago. Arthur is still 
    in prision. Michael Stuart does his best to stay out of 
    harms way. Much like the lyric to several Love songs, 
    Snoopy has gone down to Mexico. Johnny Echols lives in 
    Arizona. All the members were interviewed for a special 
    edition of the Forever Changes album due in November from 
    Rhino. I'm saving the revelations for the booklet.
    andrew sandoval
    P.S. Da Capo came out prior to Forever Changes, therefore 
    it is not and cannot be the follow up album (though it's a
    nice thought). Arthur did record a fourth album (and 
    several others) with a different line up of Love in 1968: 
    Four Sail. It is really quite good (though not currently 
    available on CD - sorry). 
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    Subject:     Re: Ron Hicklin, and Love
    Received:    02/16/00 3:56 am
    From:        Hillary Rodham Hussein
    To:          Spectropop!
    Lindsay Martin quoted:
    >As for Gary's lead vocals. .. well, that's not just
    >Gary's voice you hear on the record. To help fill out what
    >he felt to be Gary's vocal inadequacies, Snuff brought in a
    >session singer, too. His name was Ron Hicklin.
    If you listen to the interview with Gary Zekley by Domenic
    Priore on the Sundazed reissue of "The Yellow Balloon", 
    Zekley talks about Hicklin too. If he wasn't a member of 
    YB, he sang on their recordings atleast.
    Dave Mirich wrote re follow-up to "Forever Changes":
    >Probably a myth, or the bootleggers would've gotten ahold
    >of it by now.
    Apparently, the last ever Love single with their "classic"
    line-up, Your Mind And I Belong Together b/w Laughing Stock, 
    is from the FC album follow-up sessions...
    >How much of the arrangement did A. Lee do on FC? Was 
    >there a G. Martin arranging the ornate, delicate, 
    >intricate, majestic music on FC?
    Arthur Lee has claimed to have had nothing, some, and 
    everything to do with the arrangements in different 
    interviews! It seems like Neil Young arranged The Daily 
    Planet mostly by himself, and that while Lee might've 
    contributed to the rest by scat singing (which The Beatles
    also did for G. Martin), the actual hard work of arranging 
    the strings and brass was more than likely entirely by 
    David Angel.
    DJ Jimmy wrote:
    >Forsi went into Forensic Pathology following an 
    >television addiction to "Quincy" during the 8T's.
    >Echols is making sheckles selling the answer to 
    >Love's "Seven And Seven Is" via his newly-created 
    And the URL is?
    >Snoopy is attending Charles Schultz's funeral and is 
    >unavailable for comment.
    Well, *duh* :) 
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    Subject:     Re: Association, Love, 101 Strings
    Received:    02/16/00 3:56 am
    From:        Stewart Mason
    To:          Spectropop!
    I notice that "The Association" is playing at one of my 
    local Indian casinos this weekend, and something smells 
    wrong about it. Does anyone have any information about 
    current touring lineups, including if anyone in the real 
    band is involved? I've been suspecting for a while that 
    this casino (the Camel Rock, near Santa Fe) either 
    knowingly or unwittingly books a lot of ripoffs.
    More importantly, is there any kind of web resource that 
    lists semi- or totally-fraudulent bands on the oldies 
    circuit? If not, there should be. One of my day jobs 
    involves writing about the local live music scene in New 
    Mexico and if this place is booking ripoffs, I have no 
    choice but to write about it whenever it happens.
    David Mirich wrote:
    >Probably a myth, or the bootleggers would've gotten ahold 
    >of it by now. I think A. Lee received 8 years in the pen. 
    >Started serving time about 3? years ago, so with good time
    >.... another couple of years. I don't know about the long 
    >lost follow up to Forever Changes, but I felt that DaCapo 
    >(1st side) was a worthy follow up to FC. 
    I know I won't be the only person to mention this, but DA 
    CAPO actually preceded FOREVER CHANGES. It was their 
    second album and FC was #3. And am I the only one who also
    likes side two of DA CAPO, the 19-minute, 
    Coltrane-influenced "Revelation"? 
    >How much of the arrangement did A. Lee do on FC? Was there
    >a G. Martin arranging the ornate, delicate, intricate, 
    >majestic music on FC? 
    I've always assumed Arthur Lee and Bryan MacLean did the 
    arrangements on FOREVER CHANGES, but now that I think 
    about it, that may be entirely wrong.
    Billy Spradlin wrote:
    >>*101 Strings: The Romance of Magic Island
    >>Exotica-listees probably rave about The 101 Strings...this
    >>LP is actually brilliant and "a program of lush
    >>instrumentals that set the mood of a tropical paradise -
    >>played in the sound of magnificence". It's pure
    >>entertainment music, but what is wrong with that?
    >My fave 101 Strings is a late 50's/early 60's LP called 
    >"Back Beat Symphony" where they took classical melodies and
    >did them "Rock & Roll" Style. It was an early "Hooked On 
    >Classics" attempt and It is Sooo bad...!
    I see that and raise you my one 101 Strings album: 101 
    >What makes it horrible is that it sounded like the 
    >producers dubbed in a small rock band behind 101 Strings 
    >playing 50's R&R style (ala the Platters hits...Triplets 
    >on piano) and to make matters worse they added a hideous 
    >(white sounding) chorus singing "Doo-Wop" styled background
    >vocals! And this did this to every song on the album. It is
    >one of the weirdest sounding LP's I have in my collection! 
    I've read that many of the 101 Strings records are based 
    on the same orchestral recordings, with different 
    instruments dubbed on for the different versions, 
    depending on the theme: steel guitar and bird noises for 
    the "Hawaiian" album, etc. 
    A particular Holy Grail of mine is a series of albums I've
    heard of under a different name -- which I unfortunately 
    can't remember, but I bet someone here knows -- which came
    out in the late 60s and early 70s. They were psychedelic 
    mood music created by running old 101 Strings tapes 
    through an Echoplex! If anyone knows where I can get my 
    hands on one of these, please let me know!
    ****************************FLAMINGO RECORDS************************
    Stewart Allensworth Mason        "Eight high-octane musicians who  
    Box 40172                         met and jammed in the great peanut
    Albuquerque NM 87196              butter octopus that is Los            Angeles..."
    **********************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE*******************
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    Received:    02/16/00 3:56 am
    From:        Alan and Pat Warner
    To:          Spectropop!
    Re: Jim Fisher's question about what he thinks may have 
    been a Connie Stevens record...
    A KOOKIE LITTLE PARADISE was written by Lee Pockriss and 
    Bob Hilliard and recorded by Jo-Ann Campbell on 
    ABC-Paramount in 1960. The song was covered in Britain by 
    the late Frankie Vaughan.
    Rock on!
    Alan Warner
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    Subject:     Kooky Little Paradise
    Received:    02/16/00 3:56 am
    From:        WASE RADIO
    To:          Spectropop!
    To Jim:
    There were two versions of "Kooky Little Paradise" both in
    1960. One version was by Jo Ann Campbell released on ABC 
    Paramount 10134. It peaked at #61 that September.
    The other charted version is by the Tree Swingers on 
    Guyden 2036. It peaked at #73 that September in 1960. Good
    luck in finding either one.
                        Michael G. Marvin
                        WASE radio
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    Subject:     Emmit Rhodes actually
    Received:    02/16/00 3:55 am
    From:        DJ JimmyB
    To:          Spectropop!
    In a message dated 2/14/0 1:16:04 PM, you wrote:
    >If anyone can tell me...where I can get... 
    >anything by Emmit Rhodes, it would be much appreciated
    Mr Nit Pick backatcha...Wasn't Emmit Rhodes actually 
    in Merry Go Round?
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    Subject:     behind the hits
    Received:    02/16/00 3:55 am
    From:        Frank Youngwerth
    To:          Spectropop!
    << "...the Playboys were almost irrelevant--they weren't 
    allowed to play their instruments and their voices were 
    used sparingly.>>
    Something of a contrast with Gary Lewis' own recollections
    in the notes to the excellent CD compilation from the EMI 
    Legendary Masters series, which came out in 1990:
    "The original Playboys that I put together in 1964 were 
    the guys that did all the tracks to the first seven hits. 
    We played on all the basic tracks but then the overdubbing
    was done by studio people. Actually they let the Playboys 
    feel like they were really part of it, but in the final 
    mixdown, they kind of buried them."
    Seems to me that Garrett would've had the studio pros put 
    down the basic tracks. If the drummer's time is even a 
    little bit off, the whole track suffers no matter how much
    you overdub (which is why producers in general so eagerly 
    embraced drum machines when working with "real" bands in 
    the early 80s). And look who Gary claims was in there 
    keeping time:
    "I played drums on everything--all the albums and all the 
    singles up until 'She's Just My Style'...I really didn't 
    have drum chops for a shuffle. That's when we brought in 
    Jim Keltner, who became part of the Playboys and I went up
    front. Hal Blaine was also there from the beginning. He 
    played timpani on 'This Diamond Ring'..."
    So, as Gary remembers it, HE was the principal drummer on 
    his records, with Hal the auxiliary percussionist, until 
    Keltner joined the band. I kinda doubt it.
    The notes also state "Gary Lewis did all the vocal parts 
    on 'This Diamond Ring,'" and that Hicklin came in with the
    Eligibles starting with the next single. 
    Whether or not Hicklin is on "This Diamond Ring," I think 
    it's Gary's voice that makes so many of his records so 
    likable. Hicklin is supposed to be singing the goofy 
    falsetto on "Time Stands Still," and that voice couldn't 
    be mistaken for Gary's. 
    Another contradiciton with the above Behind the Hits quote: 
    Gary claims the other Playboys *never* sang on any of 
    "their" records. 
    Frank Youngwerth  
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    Subject:     Them Critters
    Received:    02/16/00 3:55 am
    From:        Jamie LePage
    To:          Spectropop!
    Reading all the replies on Critters in the last ish was 
    interesting. I guess it isn't surprising that their 
    recordings are well known and appreciated by listers 
    I have three or four Critters albums but they are in 
    storage and I haven't heard them for far too long. I 
    remember, though, that the band switched to Project Three 
    after the Kapp stuff, and somehow I remember thinking the 
    Project Three recordings were less overtly commercial than
    their prior output. Project Three of course also brought the
    world the Free Design. 
    Any comments on the Critters Project Three records, or how 
    they ended up on Enoch Light's label? Anything about Enoch 
    Light or the EZ/mood label's connection to soft pop? Also, 
    isn't there a Critters tie-in with Bonner/Gordon and 
    Anders/Poncia? Possibly even with latter-day Lovin' 
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    Subject:     Carol Kaye and Frank Zappa
    Received:    02/16/00 3:55 am
    From:        Glenn Sadin
    To:          Spectropop!
    I was looking over the abundant liner notes on the 
    original vinyl version of Frank Zappa & the Mothers of 
    Invention's 1st album, "Freak Out!," and I noticed with 
    interested that Carol Kaye is listed in the "Mothers 
    Auxillery." Carol, what do you remember about working with
    FZ on this album? Do you remember what tracks you played on?
    (I realize that FZ has little to do the usual Spectropop 
    topics, but I couldn't resist asking about what is one of 
    my all-time favorite albums.) 
      Glenn Sadin
      Read about JAPANESE POP MUSIC from the 1950s thru the 1990s:
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    Subject:     Whew....
    Received:    02/16/00 3:55 am
    From:        Carol Kaye
    To:          Spectropop!
    Talk about exhaustion from the NYC trip to get my Women In
    Music award (Will Lee and Ron Carter presenting, they were 
    great - Lesley Gore there, we had fun chatting as were Max
    Weinberg, others like George Wein who died laughing when I 
    was describing some things that went on in the studios -- 
    he said on the side "imagine the stories she can't tell 
    here" -- yes, it was pretty formal -- people say "what is 
    the 'dirt'?" This is usually from people who look at too 
    much TV. 
    Well, there is NO DIRT, we were a business, not a house of
    ill-repute, but there were some great funny one-liners 
    during the very boring times (most often than not), inside
    jokes that only the musicians the time when 
    Glen Campbell used to get up and sing funky cowboy songs 
    etc.), then 4 days of the NAMM Trade Show, playing, 
    signing autographs, taking pictures, etc. then a jazz busy at 65 as I was at 35.
    Lindsay Martin sez: >>>>then Snuff added Gary's voice, 
    overdubbed him a second time, added some of the Playboys, 
    and then added more of Hicklin<<<<
    I worked probably 1,000s of dates with the wonderful Ron 
    Hicklin, and the rest of the fine studio background 
    singers, so I don't doubt this is true. It was customary 
    for a lot of studio singers to sing parts like that. BTW, 
    see a picture of Snuffy and myself on my website; I worked
    for Snuffy a lot, good people, very sharp.
    >>>>On the subject of session musicians: looking through a
    list of people for whom Carol played, I see the Ventures. 
    One of the most famous guitar groups ever and even they 
    used a session guitarist? I can take only so much 
    Yes, it must be hard to know that the same studio 
    musicians who literally created and played on so many of 
    the 60s hit recordings for the other groups, joined the 
    Ventures on some of their recordings too -- I know women 
    who idolized all the cute guys who formed the groups we 
    did the tracks for are in tears at hearing the news but 
    they soon get over it
    ...and btw, at the Aria booth at NAMM (Nat'l Assoc. Of 
    Music Merchants) -- I play the Aria bass -- where I mainly
    played, the Ventures came and did a couple of jams of their
    own. Bob Bogle their bassist was so nice, graciously said 
    "you played so great on bass on our hits" etc., etc.,-- he 
    forgot that Ray Pohlman also played some bass on their 
    things too. 
    The Ventures could play their own music, they just 
    sometimes added studio musicians with them to play on the 
    recordings (Tommy Tedesco on guitar).
    Also stopping by the Aria booth were Bill Medley, 
    wonderful to see him again, hugging, etc., his daughter is
    a bassist too. And of course the regular fine bassists: 
    Jeff Berlin, Bunny Brunel, Alain Caron, others stopped by.
    Even Joe Osborn stopped by for a hug, it was wearing at the
    LA Convention Center, thank God it's back at Anaheim next 
    Where I played jazz at the Polytone booth, Dick Dale 
    stopped by and gave the crowd a thrill, he was so funny, I
    played one of his licks on the bass duga-duga-duga-duga etc. 
    he laughed and said "this lady played on all my hits" 
    well....don't think it was "all" but he was being gracious, 
    was great to see him again (told him I hear him 
    everywhere now, we laughed about how the come-back seems 
    to be hitting big, was proud of him), good guy he is.
    Played some fine jazz with Karl Ratzer from Austria, 
    wonderful Joe Pass-style guitarist, we played two guitars 
    at the Thomastik booth, played guitar with the wonderful 
    Dave Stone too - people are surprised that I'm a jazz 
    guitarist, but our group all knows it as I spent about 5 
    years recording first on guitar after playing in the LA 
    jazz clubs for years in the 50s -- did regular guitar, 12-
    string, acoustics, electrics, mandolin, banjo, Dano, etc. 
    but liked to play bass on the rock instead of guitar, when
    a bassist didn't show one day at Capitol. Listen to 
    "Natural Man" and you'll hear Earl Palmer on drums, myself 
    on bass, that's the kind of music I played and liked to 
    play then, altho' a lot of it was the rock stuff....which 
    eventually caused me to turn down ALL studio work in late 
    1969 for about 7 months, then wouldn't work for any of the
    rock groups anymore, only people like Ray Charles, Mancini,
    etc. and the beautiful music of the movies and TV shows in 
    the 70s. Got so tired of those rock groups even on bass 
    that time. 
    Three cheers for the Women In Music people, they're 
    wonderful and even had a great time sitting in playing 
    with Les Paul the night before, he was great, suffering 
    from Arthritis, but still has a quick wit!
    Catch our "Thumbs Up", now shipped out to all the jazz 
    stations across the USA, some really playing it a lot, 
    Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     search for mike alway??
    Received:    02/16/00 3:55 am
    From:        Rough Trade Shop
    To:          Spectropop!
    sorry ...deleted the post oops! or i'd write direct....
    mike alway comes in our shop regularly so if anyone wants 
    to send a message i can make sure it gets passed on.......
    	 x deila x
    if you'd like to be sent regular new releases emails let me know
    ph-0171 792 3490
    fax 0171 221 1146
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