http://www.spectropop.com __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0376 January 24, 2000 __________________________________________________________ make-believe stupid stuff of the past Subject: Brian Wilson Received: 01/23/00 12:29 pm From: Carol Kaye To: Spectropop! Gary Spector, right on with your good post about your dad, Phil. Yes, it's a catch 22, and I'd like to think how can anyone in this business, who has risen to great heights, be able to trust anyone? Below is what I just posted on the Brian Wilson Board about the 20/20 interview w/Brian. It's only with a huge amount of love from his family, Melinda, his true friends, his good fans, and knowing his former studio musicians stand by him too, it's only all this that has seen Brian through some tough stuff. And then there's the misconception that "he's still a kid"! Well, I should HOPE SO!! All geniuses are KIDS! And they have fun with what they do, what is so wrong with that?!!!! An aside: It's so easy to poke holes into someone when they have no idea what the celebrity is like at all, just for their own "use" purposes....actually I'm pretty sick of USERS in our business, it's so easy to see them make money off of their own leaching products and things they want to say to make themselves sound so "important" (and most of the leeches are arrogant too! And even slanderous if they think they're going to get caught with their own lies). The very FINE great jazz sax legend I work with, RAY PIZZI, is also that way - like a very young person in the way he functions (like Brian) -- he has a very happy center... he's a genius that's why, like Brian, like others who have done something different in this music biz. It's hard for the public to understand this form of a different kind of communication - no these musical geniuses are not your computer-literate techies (as a rule), nor do they write lies, nor do they sell things in business, and a million other things that "normal" people do -- they live for their art and what an art it is! But are usually down if they can't for some reason do their art. The public ought to know that by now. And believe me, Brian can be as sophisticated and wisely a grown man as anybody else (as Ray Pizzi can too), but it's evident he was having fun on his interview (this is a CHANGE! He's been so oft-misquoted and played around with that it's refreshing to see him actually enjoy an interview for a change!). Here's quoted what I wrote: >>>>All genius musicians have that little kid in them, talk like young men sometimes too. Composer David Rose who I worked for on TV shows, asked me over to his house, showed me around, and you should have seen this 70-year old man's face light up as he showed me his steam room, and how he and Mr. Lear, his pal, of Lear Jet, would sit and play with David's big steam train (with its tracks all around his lovely Sherman Oaks home, he was a trip!).... yes, just as young as how Brian talks and acts...when he's happy. Brian was enjoying the interview, something rare as he doesn't ordinarily like to do them (wonder why? :-) what with all the misconceptions and mis-information out there and the dumb questions he's had to deal with in the past!). Here's what I posted on my Message Board and another list, tho't you'd like to see this: >>>I too tho't Brian looked fine, but this is Brian today. About 3 weeks ago, Bassics Magazine (a bass magazine I write a sightreading-music column for) had an interviewer, photographer and myself along to kind of help with the interview at Brian's house in Beverly Hills (how he came up with those great basslines he wrote etc.). Bassics (www.bassics.com) is the first bass magazine to be lucky enough to have a feature on Brian.....who kind of dismisses his bass-writing talent as just the "easiest" thing in the world, the rest of us should be so lucky to have his god-given talents. What you saw on 20/20 is Brian as he really is. He's doing fine, thanks to so many good true friends, his fans, his wife Melinda, his lifestyle which includes his older daughters, and he knows all of us studio musicians also support him. He's also very concerned about other people which is sometimes a rare thing in a celebrity and especially with all he's gone through. After his LA concert, we had a great time kidding about the studio musicians, and a lot of stuff, talking together for about 2 hours, it was fun. He had fun. He's an older and wiser Brian who was getting away from a bad time in his life, not to look "back" all the time but enjoying his present life with his family, his wife (Melinda is a blessing as are their young daughters...she's just recently lost her sister after a long illness tho', god bless), his tours with his band and great fans. It's about time the slander and false make-believe stupid stuff of the past is laid to rest. One time I was ready to sock a TV newsman in Denver for "believing" that dumb 1990 (circa) "biography" on TV - the totally-false story....he made "tsk-tsk-tsk" comments after this so-called "biography" film was aired on his station. I almost nailed him against a wall in a music store a few days later saying: "Brian is NOT like that, etc.etc.etc., he's a good guy, great to work for, wrote all the parts etc."...he'll never say those kinds of misconceptions again. That stupid lying stuff makes you angry. Brian is who you see on 20/20, even better....he doesn't especially like to do interviews - what I wrote on my Message Board: >>>Tho't Brian did a good interview. He doesn't like to do interviews as a rule, but tho't this one turned out very well. I worked for his father (as all of us studio musicians did for the Sunrays) and had I known all that had happened, I would never have worked for him altho' like Brian says, he's totally forgiven him, has a "past is past" attitude now. Brian has done well because he now has true good friends around him and Melinda his lovely wife has stood fast for him, .....she's terrific, in his corner totally, and he's re-established ties with his older children, and has a good life now. He knows also his former studio musicians are always for him too. And his tour has brought so much love from his good fans into his life and he's just very happy to have the experiences of being in front of his fans too. Having dinner with he and Melinda after his LA concert, he was tired but very happy, very grateful for his many fine fans and how well his concerts have been going.<<<< PS. Kingsley, I love the way you write, such grace in your writing. All the best, Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Darlene Question Received: 01/23/00 12:29 pm From: Jimmy Cresitelli To: Spectropop! I remember hearing-- possibly through someone in the Phil Spector Appreciation Society??-- that 'every evenin' when the sun goes down' was just a quickie little thing they made up on the spot for the studio "tour." Great closeups of Darlene, Fanita, and Jean. Always used to wish that was a real song, though. Great little uptempo gospel beginning, eh? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Darlene song Received: 01/23/00 12:29 pm From: Ian Chapman To: Spectropop! Marc Miller asked:- > In the Spector documentary that was shown on PBS, there's > a clip of Darlene, with Phil, singing: >"Every evenin'when the sun goes down.. > I lay my head upon the pillow down..." > What song is this??? Hi Marc, Mick Patrick, of the old UK Spector Appreciation Society asked Darlene about this back in the early 80s. She told us it wasn't a real song, just something they made up and improvised solely for the cameras. When she later came over in '87 to do "Carrie" at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre, a few of us met her, and at one point, whilst walking through the streets of Stratford-on-Avon, she actually burst into an impromptu rendition of "Every Evening When the Sun Goes Down", much to everyone's delight!!! Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Peppermint Rainbow LP Received: 01/23/00 12:29 pm From: Ian Chapman To: Spectropop! Paul:- My copy of the Peppermint Rainbow album has the same sleeve and label listings as yours. Does anyone know who the lead girl vocalist was in this group? She has a great voice, somewhere between Ellie Greenwich and Mama Cass. Presumably it's one of the two girls pictured on the back of the album (one of whom is a raven-haired Goldie Hawn lookalike!) Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: re: Mystery Trends Received: 01/23/00 12:29 pm From: delila lacevic To: Spectropop! I'm glad you asked about the Mystery Trend, Nat. The Mystery Trend CD is among the very best reissues I bought in 1999 - although the term reissue is a bit off, as only the two of the songs were ever released. The liner notes would have one think that they were the Burt Bacharachs of the SF hippie scene, but in truth their music is much more similar to the more literate side of the Monkees or Turtles than anything else I can think of offhand. That said, I think there's as much personality to the Mystery Trend than to the Monkees / Turtles and probably a whole lot more smarts. The one song by them that any casual music listener might know is "Johnny Was A Good Boy", which is featured on the Nuggets box set. It isn't particularly representative - much of their music is more melodic and wistful - and frankly, I'm a little surprised that it was chosen as a single, as they definitely had more commercial songs. Think of the best songs of the first two Beau Brummels with greater musical fluency and slightly more orchestration and that might give you an idea. If the band had a flaw, it's that they bothered to examine the human condition a bit more than was appropriate for the time (although it bears no lyrical or musical similarity, "Carrot On A String" still reminds me somehow of the vaguely alienated stance from which later postpunk bands such as the Subway Sect dealt with issues like frustration) - even a love song like "Words You Whisper" or a song of longing like "Ten Empty Cups" rely on abstract imagery beyond the ken of mid-60s pop. I can rattle on for ages, but the only really relevant fact is that it's a CD easily worth your $15. I'm not nearly as down with other Trident productions currently being reissued - Blackburn & Snow, Sons Of Champlin - but the Mystery Trend truly is a Great Lost Band. John --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Poppin' Fresh Pilsbury Vocals Received: 01/23/00 11:08 pm From: Jamie LePage To: Spectropop! Nat wrote: >this Bob Thiele record - with the Sunshine Singers - as >well as Gabor Szabo's "Earth Sky and Diamonds" with the >California Dreamers who "became" the Love Generation. It's >all a matter of how narrowly you describe it. If you want >to look at it that way, then you could probably include >some Percy Faith Singers and some Anita Kerr Singers on a >soft pop tape. But I think it's just different enough to >not quite make it as true soft pop. Now, what was I >responding to here? I think you were responding to the question I was about to ask. We seem to have reached a general conclusion that at least some of the "sunshine pop" artists were really just very good vocal groups who were riding a wave. I contended that many simply had the fortune to land a record deal, get superb vocal arrangements, and record what was at the time contemporary vocal pop. The result was a psychedelic 60s tinged take on what groups like Chordettes, Four Freshmen, Lettermen etc. had been doing for years. Obviously the arrangments on any of these records didn't happen in a rehearsal hall full of stoned hippy guitar players, no matter what the record jacket might lead you to believe. David Bash's list is great and I concur with just about everything he listed up, but I wonder about the "link" between sunshine pop and straight vocal pop of the same era. For instance, you mention Gabor Szabo's "Earth Sky and Diamonds" with the California Dreamers who "became" the Love Generation. My question teeters on the edge of exotica and might push the limits here, but I wonder if there aren't examples of jazz vocal harmony pop that would similarly appeal to fans of sunshine pop. Something like the Randy van Horne Singers doing Bacharach and Brian Wilson covers. That is a list I would like to see alongside David's comprehensive soft pop list. I bet much would be unknown to me. Also, while I am on the subject, I would like to see your list of soft pop which *isn't* on CD, David. I bet that list includes more Gary Zekely material besides the Yellow Balloon, and Michael Brown's Montage album too. All the best, Jamie LePage n.p. Introducing the Four King Cousins --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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