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Spectropop V#0376

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 01/23/00

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       Volume #0376                        January 24, 2000   
               make-believe stupid stuff of the past          
    Subject:     Brian Wilson
    Received:    01/23/00 12:29 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye
    To:          Spectropop!
    Gary Spector, right on with your good post about your dad,
    Phil. Yes, it's a catch 22, and I'd like to think how can 
    anyone in this business, who has risen to great heights, 
    be able to trust anyone?
    Below is what I just posted on the Brian Wilson Board 
    about the 20/20 interview w/Brian. It's only with a huge 
    amount of love from his family, Melinda, his true friends,
    his good fans, and knowing his former studio musicians 
    stand by him too, it's only all this that has seen Brian 
    through some tough stuff. 
    And then there's the misconception that "he's still a kid"! 
    Well, I should HOPE SO!! All geniuses are KIDS! And they
    have fun with what they do, what is so wrong with that?!!!!
    An aside: It's so easy to poke holes into someone when 
    they have no idea what the celebrity is like at all, just 
    for their own "use" purposes....actually I'm pretty sick 
    of USERS in our business, it's so easy to see them make 
    money off of their own leaching products and things they 
    want to say to make themselves sound so "important" (and 
    most of the leeches are arrogant too! And even slanderous 
    if they think they're going to get caught with their own 
    The very FINE great jazz sax legend I work with, RAY PIZZI, 
    is also that way - like a very young person in the way 
    he functions (like Brian) -- he has a very happy center...
    he's a genius that's why, like Brian, like others who 
    have done something different in this music biz. 
    It's hard for the public to understand this form of a 
    different kind of communication - no these musical 
    geniuses are not your computer-literate techies (as a rule), 
    nor do they write lies, nor do they sell things in 
    business, and a million other things that "normal" people 
    do -- they live for their art and what an art it is! But 
    are usually down if they can't for some reason do their 
    art. The public ought to know that by now. 
    And believe me, Brian can be as sophisticated and wisely a
    grown man as anybody else (as Ray Pizzi can too), but it's 
    evident he was having fun on his interview (this is a 
    CHANGE! He's been so oft-misquoted and played around with 
    that it's refreshing to see him actually enjoy an 
    interview for a change!).
    Here's quoted what I wrote:
    >>>>All genius musicians have that little kid in them, 
    talk like young men sometimes too. Composer David Rose who
    I worked for on TV shows, asked me over to his house, 
    showed me around, and you should have seen this 70-year 
    old man's face light up as he showed me his steam room, 
    and how he and Mr. Lear, his pal, of Lear Jet, would sit 
    and play with David's big steam train (with its tracks all
    around his lovely Sherman Oaks home, he was a trip!)....
    yes, just as young as how Brian talks and acts...when he's 
    Brian was enjoying the interview, something rare as he 
    doesn't ordinarily like to do them (wonder why? :-) what 
    with all the misconceptions and mis-information out there 
    and the dumb questions he's had to deal with in the 
    Here's what I posted on my Message Board and another list,
    tho't you'd like to see this: 
    >>>I too tho't Brian looked fine, but this is Brian today. 
    About 3 weeks ago, Bassics Magazine (a bass magazine I 
    write a sightreading-music column for) had an interviewer,
    photographer and myself along to kind of help with the 
    interview at Brian's house in Beverly Hills (how he came 
    up with those great basslines he wrote etc.). 
    Bassics ( is the first bass magazine to be
    lucky enough to have a feature on Brian.....who kind of 
    dismisses his bass-writing talent as just the "easiest" 
    thing in the world, the rest of us should be so lucky to 
    have his god-given talents. 
    What you saw on 20/20 is Brian as he really is. He's doing
    fine, thanks to so many good true friends, his fans, his 
    wife Melinda, his lifestyle which includes his older 
    daughters, and he knows all of us studio musicians also 
    support him. 
    He's also very concerned about other people which is 
    sometimes a rare thing in a celebrity and especially with 
    all he's gone through. After his LA concert, we had a 
    great time kidding about the studio musicians, and a lot 
    of stuff, talking together for about 2 hours, it was fun. 
    He had fun.
    He's an older and wiser Brian who was getting away from a 
    bad time in his life, not to look "back" all the time but 
    enjoying his present life with his family, his wife 
    (Melinda is a blessing as are their young daughters...she's
    just recently lost her sister after a long illness tho', 
    god bless), his tours with his band and great fans. 
    It's about time the slander and false make-believe stupid 
    stuff of the past is laid to rest. 
    One time I was ready to sock a TV newsman in Denver for 
    "believing" that dumb 1990 (circa) "biography" on TV - 
    the totally-false story....he made "tsk-tsk-tsk" comments 
    after this so-called "biography" film was aired on his 
    station. I almost nailed him against a wall in a music 
    store a few days later saying: "Brian is NOT like that, 
    etc.etc.etc., he's a good guy, great to work for, wrote 
    all the parts etc."...he'll never say those kinds of 
    misconceptions again. That stupid lying stuff makes you 
    Brian is who you see on 20/20, even better....he doesn't 
    especially like to do interviews - what I wrote on my 
    Message Board: 
    >>>Tho't Brian did a good interview. He doesn't like to do
    interviews as a rule, but tho't this one turned out very 
    well. I worked for his father (as all of us studio 
    musicians did for the Sunrays) and had I known all that 
    had happened, I would never have worked for him altho' 
    like Brian says, he's totally forgiven him, has a "past is
    past" attitude now. 
    Brian has done well because he now has true good friends 
    around him and Melinda his lovely wife has stood fast for 
    him, .....she's terrific, in his corner totally, and he's 
    re-established ties with his older children, and has a 
    good life now. 
    He knows also his former studio musicians are always for 
    him too. And his tour has brought so much love from his 
    good fans into his life and he's just very happy to have 
    the experiences of being in front of his fans too. Having 
    dinner with he and Melinda after his LA concert, he was 
    tired but very happy, very grateful for his many fine fans
    and how well his concerts have been going.<<<< 
    PS. Kingsley, I love the way you write, such grace in your
    All the best, 
    Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     Re: Darlene Question
    Received:    01/23/00 12:29 pm
    From:        Jimmy Cresitelli
    To:          Spectropop!
    I remember hearing-- possibly through someone in the Phil 
    Spector Appreciation Society??-- that 'every evenin' when 
    the sun goes down' was just a quickie little thing they 
    made up on the spot for the studio "tour." Great closeups 
    of Darlene, Fanita, and Jean. Always used to wish that was
    a real song, though. Great little uptempo gospel beginning,
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    Subject:     Darlene song
    Received:    01/23/00 12:29 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman
    To:          Spectropop!
    Marc Miller asked:-
    > In the Spector documentary that was shown on PBS, there's
    > a clip of Darlene, with Phil, singing:
    >"Every evenin'when the sun goes down..
    > I lay my head upon the pillow down..."
    > What song is this???
    Hi Marc,
    Mick Patrick, of the old UK Spector Appreciation Society 
    asked Darlene about this back in the early 80s. She told 
    us it wasn't a real song, just something they made up and 
    improvised solely for the cameras. When she later came 
    over in '87 to do "Carrie" at the Royal Shakespeare 
    Theatre, a few of us met her, and at one point, whilst 
    walking through the streets of Stratford-on-Avon, she 
    actually burst into an impromptu rendition of "Every 
    Evening When the Sun Goes Down", much to everyone's 
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    Subject:     Peppermint Rainbow LP
    Received:    01/23/00 12:29 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman
    To:          Spectropop!
    My copy of the Peppermint Rainbow album has the same 
    sleeve and label listings as yours.
    Does anyone know who the lead girl vocalist was in this 
    group? She has a great voice, somewhere between Ellie 
    Greenwich and Mama Cass. Presumably it's one of the two 
    girls pictured on the back of the album (one of whom is a 
    raven-haired Goldie Hawn lookalike!) 
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    Subject:     re: Mystery Trends
    Received:    01/23/00 12:29 pm
    From:        delila lacevic
    To:          Spectropop!
    I'm glad you asked about the Mystery Trend, Nat.  The
    Mystery Trend CD is among the very best reissues I
    bought in 1999 - although the term reissue is a bit
    off, as only the two of the songs were ever released. 
    The liner notes would have one think that they were
    the Burt Bacharachs of the SF hippie scene, but in
    truth their music is much more similar to the more
    literate side of the Monkees or Turtles than anything
    else I can think of offhand.  That said, I think
    there's as much personality to the Mystery Trend than
    to the Monkees / Turtles and probably a whole lot more
    smarts.  The one song by them that any casual music
    listener might know is "Johnny Was A Good Boy", which
    is featured on the Nuggets box set.  It isn't
    particularly representative - much of their music is
    more melodic and wistful - and frankly, I'm a little
    surprised that it was chosen as a single, as they
    definitely had more commercial songs.  Think of the
    best songs of the first two Beau Brummels with greater
    musical fluency and slightly more orchestration and
    that might give you an idea.  If the band had a flaw,
    it's that they bothered to examine the human condition
    a bit more than was appropriate for the time (although
    it bears no lyrical or musical similarity, "Carrot On
    A String" still reminds me somehow of the vaguely
    alienated stance from which later postpunk bands such
    as the Subway Sect dealt with issues like frustration)
    - even a love song like "Words You Whisper" or a song
    of longing like "Ten Empty Cups" rely on abstract
    imagery beyond the ken of mid-60s pop.  
    I can rattle on for ages, but the only really relevant
    fact is that it's a CD easily worth your $15.  I'm not
    nearly as down with other Trident productions
    currently being reissued - Blackburn & Snow, Sons Of
    Champlin - but the Mystery Trend truly is a Great Lost
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    Subject:     Poppin' Fresh Pilsbury Vocals
    Received:    01/23/00 11:08 pm
    From:        Jamie LePage
    To:          Spectropop!
    Nat wrote:
    >this Bob Thiele record - with the Sunshine Singers - as 
    >well as Gabor Szabo's "Earth Sky and Diamonds" with the 
    >California Dreamers who "became" the Love Generation. It's
    >all a matter of how narrowly you describe it. If you want 
    >to look at it that way, then you could probably include 
    >some Percy Faith Singers and some Anita Kerr Singers on a 
    >soft pop tape. But I think it's just different enough to 
    >not quite make it as true soft pop. Now, what was I 
    >responding to here?
    I think you were responding to the question I was about to
    We seem to have reached a general conclusion that at least
    some of the "sunshine pop" artists were really just very 
    good vocal groups who were riding a wave. I contended that
    many simply had the fortune to land a record deal, get 
    superb vocal arrangements, and record what was at the time
    contemporary vocal pop. The result was a psychedelic 60s 
    tinged take on what groups like Chordettes, Four Freshmen,
    Lettermen etc. had been doing for years. Obviously the 
    arrangments on any of these records didn't happen in a 
    rehearsal hall full of stoned hippy guitar players, no 
    matter what the record jacket might lead you to believe.
    David Bash's list is great and I concur with just about 
    everything he listed up, but I wonder about the "link" 
    between sunshine pop and straight vocal pop of the same 
    era. For instance, you mention Gabor Szabo's "Earth Sky 
    and Diamonds" with the California Dreamers who "became" 
    the Love Generation. My question teeters on the edge of 
    exotica and might push the limits here, but I wonder if 
    there aren't examples of jazz vocal harmony pop that would
    similarly appeal to fans of sunshine pop. Something like 
    the Randy van Horne Singers doing Bacharach and Brian 
    Wilson covers. That is a list I would like to see 
    alongside David's comprehensive soft pop list. I bet much 
    would be unknown to me.
    Also, while I am on the subject, I would like to see your 
    list of soft pop which *isn't* on CD, David. I bet that 
    list includes more Gary Zekely material besides the Yellow
    Balloon, and Michael Brown's Montage album too.
    All the best,
    Jamie LePage
    n.p. Introducing the Four King Cousins
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