http://www.spectropop.com __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0375 January 22, 2000 __________________________________________________________ Banned by Rock Critics Subject: Madness Received: 01/22/00 8:22 am From: Jimmy Cresitelli To: Spectropop! Delia: Working officially in the mental health field as I do, I see your point: the most creative geniuses do all seem to have a touch of "madness." It's almost a given. It's those people who so desperately try to conform to what they perceive as "normalcy" that are the Stepford clones of this world; no burning creativity to be found there... --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: madness and genius Received: 01/22/00 8:22 am From: Gary Spector To: Spectropop! To: x delia xx and Jake Tassell Hello. I do not know how much information I can add on the subjects of music or "mad" people, but when people sort of lump them together with Phil Spector, sometimes I like to leave a comment. I have no obligation to defend Phil, but in his defense (not that he needs any), he was a shy kid who grew up with a skill that panned out and got him were he is now. What happens when a skilled kid enters the music business but does not like a lot of attention. Throw in the articles in mass media speculating about his life because he does not like to talk publicly about himself, then add a few Gold and Platinum albums and more speculation. What could he do but disappear a few times. The music industry is like the acting industry. Catch 22. You have a skill and get noticed which is what most want but then you lose your private life and you want to get away. Asking a great actor to stop acting would be like asking Phil Spector to stop producing just because he does not like crowds. That could be why he disbanded Teddy Bears in the late 50's. In the 70's he had a family that cared about him and wanted him to be part of their lives. Being reclusive helped a little, but he still had the stress of wanting to produce great music for everyone (but without the lime-light). That's tough for anyone with a skill that entertains people. I'll admit Phil Spector was a little odd but he was a good friend to the people closest to him. He was hurt when Lennon died as well as when Elvis passed away, but who could he go to or hang out with. He was famous and people recognized him. He was not a people person and probably still is not. He is doing a lot better with his family and he shows in his own way that he cares. Comments about him don't bother me much but sometimes I just like to try and help others see him from another side to all the stories. I will always love my father, flaws and all, but I am not blind to the truth. GPS --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Cher & Philip Received: 01/22/00 8:22 am From: Ian Chapman To: Spectropop! Hi everybody, Been meaning to post this for a while......just before Christmas, about the same time as the Tina Turner birthday TV special, the UK arts programme "The South Bank Show" had an hour-long Cher special, comprising of an interview with the show's presenter Melvyn Bragg, plus lots of archive music and movie clips, plus interviews with various other Cher-connectees. It was an excellent documentary, and as with the Tina special, I thought Spectropoppers might be interested in the Spector bit.... Bragg: Then you went to work with Philip Spector. Was that through Sonny? Cher: Yeah, I was just hanging out with Son, and one night Darlene didn't show up, and Philip looked at me, and he was getting really cranky, y'know.....Philip was not one to be kept waiting.....and he said "Sonny said you can sing?" And so, as I was trying to qualify what I felt my..... expertise was, he said, "Look, I just need noise - get out there!" Bragg: So you started as noise?! Cher: Yeah, I started as noise, and that was "Be My Baby". Bragg: Oh, wonderful....I mean, with the Ronettes. To start as noise with the Ronettes, that's not bad, if you're going to start as noise! Cher: (smiling) Right, and I ended up as noise - except at that point I was no longer noise - but the last song I did for Philip was "You've Lost That Lovin 'Feelin'". (There then followed a clip of the song with some archive stills of Cher and Sonny in Goldstar) Bragg: Didn't you do a song about "Ringo, I Love You"? Cher: Yeah, that was my first. Bragg: What was the name he gave you? Cher: Bonnie Jo Mason. Philip thought that all girl acts should have very American names, and so...... But the radios wouldn't play it, 'cos they said it sounded like a guy singing "Ringo I love you".....and so, that wasn't happening. Bragg: So it sounded like a gay love song? Cher: Yes. (We then saw a close-up of the Bonnie Jo Mason record - promo copy too! - and heard it as it accompanied some predictable Beatles archive footage) If this prog ever airs in the States (maybe it has already?), I'd highly recommend it. Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Darlene question Received: 01/20/00 5:33 am From: Marc Miller To: Spectropop! In the Spector documentary that was shown on PBS, there's a clip of Darlene, with Phil, singing: "Every evenin'when the sun goes down.. I lay my head upon the pillow down..." (or something similar). What song is this??? Marc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Phil Spector Received: 01/22/00 8:22 am From: Doc Rock To: Spectropop! From "Liberty Records" Phil Spector 1962 was the year producer Phil Spector started his Philles Record label. However, he got irritated with his partners back east, so when Snuff Garrett offered Spector a position as a producer for Liberty, he readily accepted. He kept the job for half a year, and popular press says that he produced less than a half dozen tracks for Liberty. One release which he did generate in the summer of '62 was "How Many Nights (How Many Days)" by Bobby Sheen. It was a good record but failed to hit. It is interesting to note that the flip side of the Bobby Sheen 45 was not a Spector production. Spector had little use for non-hit sides, like his throwaway instrumental flip sides. However, Spector must have liked Bobby Sheen. A year later, teamed up with Darlene Love and Fanita James of the Blossoms, Phil would make him the Bobby of an artist dubbed "Bob B. Soxx and the Blue Jeans" on Phil's record label ("Zip-A-Dee-Do-Dah," Philles Records). --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: He's a Soul Mann; Barry Mann & all-stars on new LP Received: 01/22/00 8:22 am From: Jamie LePage To: Spectropop! On January 11, 2000 Atlantic Records announced the January 18 release of "Soul and Inspiration," the Atlantic debut album from Brill Building veteran Barry Mann. Barry Mann was hired to compose as a staff songwriter at Aldon Music at the end of the 50s. He met Cynthia Weil while working for Aldon, apparently at a songwriting session. The two young writers fell into a professional and private relationship. The couple soon married; Songwriting husband/wife teams like King/Goffin and Barry/Greenwich seemed to flourish in the Brill Building. Much of the music was written by Mann while Weil furnished the lyrics. Together they wrote a great number of hits including "Uptown," "He's Sure the Boy I Love," "Blame It On the Bossa Nova," "Only In America," "On Broadway," "Walking In the Rain," and "We Gotta Get Out of This Place." Their songs often dealt with poverty and the struggle for success, like on the Crystals' "Uptown." Mann & Weil moved to Los Angeles in the late 60s. The hits continued through the '70s. and Barry got a solo deal with RCA. As far as I know, Barry and Cynthia are still married and living in Los Angeles. The new Atlantic release sees Barry Mann performing eleven of the most treasured tunes from the Mann/Weil catalog. Among the reported highpoints is Mann's duet with Carole King on "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling," co-written with Weil and Phil Spector. This song was recently declared by performance rights organization BMI as the 20th century's most-played song on American radio and television. Sounds great so far... "Soul and Inspiration" features guest performances by Bryan Adams, Daryl Hall, Richard Marx, Deana Carter, J. D. Souther, Brenda Russell, Peabo Bryson, Paul Shaffer, etc., and the album is produced by Fred Mollin, who apparently did Kris Kristofferson's "Austin Sessions" and Jimmy Webb's "Ten Easy Pieces." Has anyone heard this yet? Opinions? Great songs, modern recording, contemporary guest artists...kinda scary. On a related subject, Tapestry may have been the cause or effect, but for whatever reason several Brill writers made contemporary "singer/songwriter" albums in the 70's, including Greenwich's "Let it be Written..." album. Anyone have thoughts on this Greenwich album and the 70's Barry Mann solo discs? Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Butterflys=Blue Angels Received: 01/20/00 5:21 am From: Ian Chapman To: Spectropop! > Yes, it's a reissue of the Goodies record with a > fictitious group name slapped on the label, something to > do with evading the issue of rights to the track, I > believe. Same thing happened with the Ribbons' "Ain't > Gonna Kiss Ya" - originally on Marshall Leib's Marsh label, > it later turned up on Charger as by the Sandpapers. > Strange are the ways of the record biz..... Further to the Goodies/Southern Belles thing, there was another one I meant to mention .....the Butterflys "I Wonder" was later reissued on SSS International as by the Blue Angels. Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Mystery Trends Received: 01/22/00 8:22 am From: Nat Kone To: Spectropop! Throughout all the years of my exotica/ lounge/ easy listening/ crime jazz/ spy jazz/ Now Sound obsessions, I managed to almost completely avoid CD reissues and compilations. But this soft pop thing seems to be changing that to some degree. To that end, let me ask you about an interesting looking CD I saw today. The Mystery Trend. Great name. Would have be even cooler if the title of the record was "She ain't selling any alibis" but you can't have everything. The description on the back referenced Bacharach but it also mentioned garage rock. I don't want it if it's garage. Any comments? Nat --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: INTENTIONALLY DELETED --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Essential list: thanks! Received: 01/22/00 8:22 am From: Levin Lo To: Spectropop! Dear David, Thanks a lot! Your list is most valuable...especially the original album list! The good news for me is these albums are available on CD; the bad news is most of them are pressed in Japan, meaning you have to pay the almighty yen for it. Guess I'll have to search Thoughtscape for them. I'm new to Spectropop, and the members here remind me of Truffaut's Fahrenheit 451, especially when this gorgeous music is banned by rock critics who know only one album: Sgt Pepper's. Levin --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Peppermint Rainbow Mystery Received: 01/22/00 8:21 am From: Paul Urbahns To: Spectropop! I have the same Peppermint Rainbow album others have mentioned owning, seems I am in good company on this list. The mystery for me is that my copy lists the songs on the album cover in the following order for side one: Will You Be Staying After Sunday If We Can Make It To Monday And I'll be There Run Like The Devil Jamais Don't Wake Me Up In The Morning Michael. On the record label and as the record actually plays, the second song does not appear, and was replaced by their first single "Pink Lemonade." I am wondering if I have a "revised issue" Does anybody on the list have the Pepermint Rainbow disk containing "If We Can Make It To Monday" seems like it would have been planned as the obvious followup, to Will You be Staying After Sunday? For Lemon Piper fans the photo on the back of the Peppermint Rainbow album (DL 75129) shows Ivan browne, Bill Albaugh and RG Nave (of the Lemon Pipers) standing with two unknown females as the group. Paul Urbahns --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Happy Balloon Received: 01/22/00 8:21 am From: Nat Kone To: Spectropop! I just got a (review) copy of a newish Siesta compilation "Sombrero" and the band whose softpoppy sound impressed me the most, The Happy Balloon, are nowhere to be found on the Siesta website. I mean, they cover "Come Saturday Morning" for crying out loud. How could I not be interested in 'em? So anyone know anything about my potentially new favourite band? Nat --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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