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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 01/06/00

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       Volume #0366                          January 8, 2000   
    An endeavor to epitomize great stars in the recording field
    Subject:     Phil Spector award
    Received:    01/06/00 4:01 am
    From:        john rausch,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Recieved this email and wanted to pass it along to all
    Hope someone can find something to submit.
    This is NARAS! re: Spector 2000 Trustee Award
    I hope I'm addressing the creators of Spectropop!
    This year the National Academy of Recording Arts and 
    Sciences' (NARAS) will honor legendary producer/writer 
    Phil Spector with its Trustee Award for his outstanding 
    contributions to the recording industry in a non-performing 
    I am gathering material for The Recording Academy to be 
    used in a short (3-4 minute) retrospective video of his 
    career that will show before the award is presented. This 
    ceremony will be part of the annual Grammy Nominees 
    reception, which takes place on Tuesday, February 22, 
    during Grammy week in Los Angeles. This is a non-broadcast
    event, although we will be also creating a short clip for 
    broadcast as well. Your material cannot and will not be 
    broadcast unless we can confirm your copyright ownership.
    The Academy would greatly appreciate your help in 
    providing material from your archives to include in our 
    non-broadcast presentation. We are in need of any 
    photographic stills or video of Phil, the Brill Building, 
    the recording studios and the various performers he 
    produced - not only from the early days, but up to the 
    If you have material you would like to contibute, please 
    contact me. I will ask you to send it directly to NARAS 
    headquarters in Los Angeles. We will, of course, pay any 
    necessary duplcation fees and shipping costs involved. Be 
    aware that this compilation has a very limited budget. We 
    have no funds to license material and are receiving a very
    limited amount of material from Spector management.
    Our aim is to present the very best tribute to Phil that 
    we can. If you can help, please contact me. Thank you very
    Eric Jerstad
    John Rausch
    Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sound at
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    Subject:     Re: This is NARAS!  re: Spector 2000 Trustee Award
    Received:    01/08/00 12:31 pm
    From:        Spectropop Admin,
    To:          Eric Jerstad,
    CC:          Spectropop List,
    Dear Mr. Jerstad,
    Thank you for your email addressed to Spectropop 
    Administration which listmember John Rausch has forwarded 
    to the list.
    Spectropop Admin confirms that your request has been duly 
    posted to all members of our discussion group. By way of 
    cc of this email to the Spectropop mailing list, 
    Spectropop Admin requests that any queries or offers to 
    submit material to NARAS be sent directly to you at 
    "Eric Jerstad">.
    Listmembers are reminded that NARAS cannot use material 
    that is copyrighted unless the rights to the copyrighted 
    material are owned and/or controlled by the submitting 
    Spectropop Admin speaks on behalf of the entire discussion
    group in expressing thanks to you for giving us the 
    opportunity to submit material for possible inclusion in 
    the retrospective video of Mr. Spector's career. We are 
    thrilled to learn of this award, and Spectropop 
    listmembers are certain to support NARAS's efforts to 
    present the very best tribute to Phil Spector possible.  
    Sincerely yours,
    Spectropop Admin
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    Subject:     Darlene Love On Letterman
    Received:    01/07/00 3:15 am
    From:        David Feldman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jimmy asked:
    > Speaking of Darlene, I caught her on Letterman. I wonder
    > why she turns "Christmas" into a clap-happy singalong?
    > That song should rip the hearts out of everyone who's
    > listening... still, her voice was great, and I DID cry,
    > especially when she tore up the last few lines. 
    Darlene sings this song every year on the show (has almost
    since the show began on NBC) and most years, they try to
    do a little something different with the song or
    arrangment.   I love this about the show and Dave
    Letterman and Paul Shaffer -- Letterman always gives her a
    great intro.
    More than any singer I know, Love combines passion and
    restraint.  I don't think she could be undignified or
    unclassy if she tried.  She looks and sounds just great
    right now.  It's wonderful to see her still at the top of
    her game.
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    Subject:     Outrageous Cherry - Spector's next big group?
    Received:    01/08/00 11:17 am
    From:        Bryan Thomas,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hello Spectropop Listers,
    I thought some of you out there might get a kick out of 
    something I just read in the current issue of MOJO, 
    January 2000 issue, pg. 12, in "News Round-Up":
    "Phil Spector is reportedly considering a return to the 
    studio. It seems the producer heard Outrageous Cherry (a 
    Detroit fuzz-thing with Brian Wilson melodies), on the 
    radio, and announced his intentions to Kim Fowley with the
    immortal words, 'These guys are f&#$ing great.'"
    This pleased me greatly as the group is signed to Del-Fi 
    Records DF2K (Del-Fi 2000) imprint, the label where I work.
    Last year (October) we released the group's debut on the 
    new label, called Out There In The Dark, which has been 
    receiving good critical praise so far. 
    This isn't the first time that the band have been 
    mentioned in the same breath as Mr. Spector. All Media 
    Guide's web- site ( have previously said that
    the band sound "something like The Shadows of Knight 
    produced by Phil Spector!" and Chris Handyside [Detroit 
    Metro Times, and] praised the new album's 
    production by the band's leader, Matthew Smith, saying 
    that "Smith's production hand is as studied and 
    effectively reverent as his songcraft. Phil Spector, Brian
    Wilson, George Martin and others who laid the brickwork for
    the FM pop production that followed them are all in 
    attendance as producer Smith brings the wall of sound, the
    wash of reverb, throws in some horns for emotional impact, 
    tweaks the delay and, occasionally, makes the whole damn 
    thing sound as though it were recorded in a metal room 
    with a cement ceiling." 
    Anyway, thought some of you might like to know about this.
    Bryan Thomas
    publicity/A&R/Film & TV licensing
    Del-Fi/DF2K Records
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    Subject:     spector (of course)
    Received:    01/07/00 3:15 am
    From:        Rein Smilde,
    Hi there,
    First of all, happy everything.
    Does anybody know the Ronettes singing "When Lucy was in
    London, she wore my miniskirt" (or something like this). I
    do think I remember a Lucy Ball show in the sixties "Lucy
    in London", with music from Dave Clarck 5 and something of
    a titlesong by The Ronettes. 
    On tape I do have a very rare recording of Phil singing a
    song called: "You're so fine". I was told he recorded this
    for someones birthday. Any information on this one?
    On the ferry from France to the UK a couple of weeks ago,
    I've bought a Hallmark CD (cat. nr. 308242) called:
    "Christmas Wall Of Sound: A tribute to Phil Spector". Same
    tracks as on THE X-mas LP/CD, + "Rockin' around the
    christmas tree", "Jingle bell rock", "Let it snow, let it
    snow". Great recxxxxx99).
    I also have a CD (Jive Bunny and the mastermixers:
    christmas party. Label: Music Collection Int. Ltd., 36-38
    Caxton Way, Watford, hertfordshir WD1 8UF  (UK))
    MCCDX 014) with some of THE X-mas songs (in the Spector
    way), but with 2 (additional) tracks: "Jingle bells", and
    "Have yourself a merry little Christmas". These 2 sound as
    real Spector productions. Any info on this one? 
    Rein Smilde. (Netherlands)
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    Subject:     fanboy gushing for Bill Inglot
    Received:    01/08/00 11:17 am
    From:        Stewart Mason,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I'm not positive that Bill Inglot is out here in 
    Spectropopland, but just in case: Bill, you are the single
    greatest engineer in the world. And the new Stooges box on 
    Rhino Handmade, 1970: THE COMPLETE FUN HOUSE SESSIONS, is 
    the best work you have ever done.
    FUN HOUSE has long been one of my all-time favorite albums, 
    but all the vinyl and CD copies I have previously owned 
    have sounded like sludge. Wildly exciting and deceptively 
    complex sludge, true, but sludge nonetheless. But the 
    liner notes here state that the band and producer Don 
    Gallucci were shooting for a pristine, crystal-clear 
    version of the Stooges' enormous roaring noise, and for 
    the very first time, that's what you can hear. These CDs 
    sound like you're in the room with them. And as you can 
    imagine, that's a mildly scary place to be. Not only is it
    like I'm hearing this music for the first time, I am 
    hearing elements I never even imagined were there. Not 
    even THE PET SOUNDS SESSIONS was this revelatory.
    This is definitely not a box set for everyone. Even 
    Stooges fans might balk at the prospect of THIRTY-FOUR 
    (count 'em!) takes of "Loose." Not me, though. And if that 
    prospect doesn't scare you and you have $140 to drop -- or
    like me you know someone with exquisite taste in Christmas 
    gifts -- then I think you might find this extraordinary. 
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    Subject:     Re: Four Seasons mono/stereo
    Received:    01/07/00 3:15 am
    From:        WASE RADIO,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    To Kingsley Abbott:
             Interesting post on the Four Seasons mono/stereo
    situation. For a long time, I thought the early Seasons'
    hits were recorded on only three tracks.  For example
    "Sherry" has the entire rhythm section on the left channel,
    Frankie centered and the background vocals on the right. 
    Also if my memory serves me correctly, the mono version of
    "Sherry" fades out later than on the stereo one. Another
    example of primitive stereo on the Four Seasons is "Big
    Girls Don't Cry". On this track the rhythm section and
    hanclaps are on the left, Frankie Valli and the group (in
    parts) are centerred and the background vocals (who
    sometimes harmonize with their center channel selves) are
    on the right.  Personally I am a stereo oldies bug.
    Sometimes I like to hear an oldie in stereo just for the
    fun of it. But I can understand why some people would
    rather hear these songs in mono-because that's how we
    heard them on AM radio or 45 rpm vinyl singles. But to
    each his or her own.   Have a great millenium Kingsley and
                                       Michael G. Marvin
                                        WASE radio
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    Subject:     Bill Deal and the Rhondells
    Received:    01/07/00 3:15 am
    From:        Kaye Krebs, ThePixxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Re Claudia's (Claudia, inquiry about Bill
    Deal and the Rhondells and whatever happened to them :
    Claudia, I am delighted to tell you that they live and
    continue to perform (sounding just as good as ever) here
    in my hometown of Virginia Beach, VA.
    Best regards, 
    Kaye Krebs
    The Pixies Three
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    Subject:     golden days of Beach Music
    Received:    01/06/00 4:49 am
    From:        DJ JimmyB, DJJimxxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 1/5/0 12:59:50 PM, you wrote:
    >Most of the '60's beach bands...The Embers, Catalinas,
    >Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs, Tams, Chairman of the
    >Board, etc.... are still around.
    Thanks for the news DickyG...Perhaps you could share with 
    us your memories of the golden days of Beach Music and the
    culture of Beach. I, for one, would love to know more...
    Jimmy Botticelli
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    Subject:     Hardy, Gainsbourg & regional variations
    Received:    01/07/00 3:17 am
    From:        Lindsay Martin,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jake Tassell approvingly mentions French writer/producer/
    singer Serge Gainsbourg and his work with Francoise Hardy,
    Jane Birkin and others.
    Hardy's "Comment Te Dire Adieu", has a spoken refrain 
    which is one of the most sexy and heartbreaking things 
    I've heard on a pop record. And take a look at the lyrics,
    by Gainsbourg (go to
    The whole thing is brilliantly based around "ex", which he
    works into a prominent position in almost every line 
    (ex-amour, Kleenex, explication, prétexte etc.), thus 
    echoing the singer's apprehensions about becoming an 
    ex-lover. How many pop songwriters would have dared to be 
    quite this arty - and pulled it off - in 1968?
    What Jake says about regional variations of pop/rock is to
    the point. It interests me (especially as an Australian) to
    see what happens when musicians beyond the U.S. take on a 
    musical genre which is essentially American. Sometimes it 
    doesn't come off, and probably all countries outside of 
    America have had their embarrassing versions of ersatz 
    American pop, but when it does come off the result can be 
    fresh and stunning. Tommy Steele never really sounds 
    convincing to me as a rocker, but you don't need to make 
    any excuses for Johnny Kidd & The Pirates' "Shakin' All 
    Over". (And check out "The Cruel Sea", a surf-instrumental
    masterpiece by Britain's Dakotas, of Billy J. Kramer fame!)
    The beauty of it is that, pop often being a hit and miss 
    thing, regional variations sometimes hit on something 
    brilliant and fresh which is universally appealing but 
    which wouldn't otherwise have been possible. For a start, 
    outsiders are bound to have their own skewed view of the 
    music they're trying to emulate, and if they lack the 
    slickness of mainstream production and marketing savvy 
    this can be an advantage too. (Of course, it gets 
    complicated when you get U.S. bands reworking British 
    Invasion pop, which was a reworking of American pop in the
    first place.) 
    Take a listen to the full works - not just the 
    British-produced "Friday On My Mind" - of Australia's 
    Easybeats (actually made up of Brits & Europeans - we're a
    nation of immigrants). See (1) whether you agree with me 
    that this was one of the best groups working in the Beat/
    Brit Invasion genre and (2) how much of their creativity 
    within this genre may have been a result of their 
    geographic isolation from (in this case) the U.K. 
    In Gainsbourg's case, you have some corny little attempts 
    at American pop, but these are countered by such 
    masterpieces as "69 Année Erotique" (with Jane Birkin) and
    "Initials B.B". And how extraordinary are "Bonnie and Clyde" 
    (with Bardot) and "Harley-Davidson" (Bardot): here are 
    examples of the outsider distilling some element of 
    American culture, giving it his own cultural spin, and 
    producing something startling and original, as if by 
    accident. It almost reminds me of those bizarre Japanese 
    t-shirts with random samples of English printed on them.
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    Subject:     re: French Pop; a matter of definition
    Received:    01/08/00 11:17 am
    From:        Frank,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jake wrote:
    >To Frank at The End of The Tunnel re: French Pop;- Johnny 
    >Halliday, Sylvie Vartan and Eddie Mitchell - ils sont tres
    >merdique, c'est vrai! The problem is though - every time I 
    >visit my expatriate brother in Paris and want to know 
    >about a record I've heard (and I have heard some great 
    >ones), I can never find out anything, because when quizzed, 
    >somebody always makes a shamed face and says "Oh - you 
    >don't really want to know about that! - It's rubbish!" - 
    >which is why I voiced my question to the list in the first
    >place. No great Gaul pop? With respect, M'sieur, what about
    >Serge Gainsbourg's three decades worth of uniquely witty, 
    >wicked, sexy, and stylish output? And all the records he 
    >made with Jane Birkin, Mireille Mathieu, Brigitte Bardot, 
    >France Gall, Anna Karina, Nana Mouskouri, Charlotte 
    >Gainsbourg, etc. etc. etc. I can count at least three 
    >Francoise Hardy discs that are as good as, say, the best 
    >Marrianne Faithfull records, and I think that's really 
    >just the tip. I mean sure, the French didn't produce any 
    >Led Zeppelin-type 'rock-legends' (you'll never know how 
    >glad I am about that) - but then no-one else made great 
    >Easy Listening in the way that Francis Lai and Michel 
    >LeGrande did etc. etc. Just like everybody else's stuff; 
    >French stuff has its own uniqueness, its own flavour and
    >its own 'special fragrance' just like Mid-Sixties Detroit 
    >Stompers have or Mersey Beat has or New York Acapella 
    >DooWop has or California Surf Instrumentals have. This is,
    >as always, a matter of one's own personal aesthetic but I 
    >don't see why a form should be invalidated purely because 
    >it doesn't fit in with some 'official' version of what is 
    >and what isn't pop history.
    Well Jake, you are right there, after all it may be a 
    matter of definition.
    I wouldn't have put Serge Gainsbourg and most of the stuff
    he wrote and /or produced in the categories of music we 
    were talking about. Maybe I should have.
    I surely wouldn't say there are no French artists worth of
    any interest. If you're willing to extand your scope to 
    people like Michel Legrand or Francis Lai, then you must 
    never forget Charles Trenet the best one ever (and after 
    all he wrote and created "Beyond The Sea" for which Bobby 
    Darin must have thanked him and "I wish you love"......
    I was merely thinking of a kind of music that could be 
    coppared to the great period of US and British pop/rock 
    and in this particular kind of music, I'm afraid to say 
    that we had to do with appaling French covers by 
    incredibly bad French artists. At least most of the time 
    even though there were some exceptions (wich as a French 
    saying goes: 'exceptions only confirm the rule." In the 
    60's probably Richard Anthony and maybe Daniel Gerard were 
    the only ones whose covers were not shameful. Then later 
    on Eddie Mitchell ended up doing some really good stuff 
    (mostly originals though). And by the way I wonder if you 
    ever heard anything by Gerard Manset, who is probably the 
    most interesting artist we had for years alongside 
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    Subject:     Northern Covers
    Received:    01/07/00 3:15 am
    From:        jake tassell,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Delia
    All the famous girl/boy Northern duets that I know are a
    bit weird. 'As Long as You Love Me I'll Stay' by Ronnie
    and Robyn. Great record, can't imagine anyone covering it
    though. August and Deneen - 'We Go Together' - all those
    lyrics about 'Marvin and Tammy and Sonny and Cher' I can't
    think how that would work. Hmm -'We Got Togetherness' by
    The Jewels might be good - it's a straight-up 100
    miles-an-hour monster cacophonyfest (sort of like Edwin
    Starr and The Velvet Underground having simultaneous
    heart-attacks with Lurch on harpsichord accompaniment and
    The Incredible Hulk playing lead road-bumper). It's a
    great record; pretty unsophisticated and would be easy to
    play. If you want a copy of the original (my copy is on
    American MGM) then have a scout round The Northern Soul
    Webring  -
    It really is quite a famous Northern Stomper so it's
    probably on a compilation. Mister CD in Berwick Street has
    hundreds and hundreds of cheap Northern compos', you might
    find it there (if you're willing to put in the hours).
    I last saw Edwin Starr a few years ago, he was good then,
    probably still is now.
    Good Luck
    Jake Tassell (in rainy SW2) 
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    Subject:     Northern soul duets
    Received:    01/07/00 3:15 am
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Delia wrote:
    > Also........someone has asked one of my bands to do a
    > northern soul cover version for a compilation..........I just
    > wondered if anyone could think of any good northern soul
    > boy/girl duets ???
    A few come to mind.....
    Gene Chandler/Barbara Acklin - From the Teacher to the Preacher
    Jimmy Holiday/Clydie King - Ready, Willing & Able
    Frankie & Johnny - I'll Hold You
    Wilson Pickett (& Cissy Houston) - Come Home Baby
    Marvin Gaye/Tammi Terrell - Two Can Have A Party
    Inez & Charlie Foxx - Tightrope
    Newby & Johnson - Sweet Happiness
    August & Deneen - We Go Together
    Steinways - You've Been Leading Me On (best of the lot IMO - a great
    girl/boy call/response tune)
    BTW, I saw Edwin Starr at a Motown a couple of  years ago,
    and he was well worth it!
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    Subject:     the greatest Non-Motown Motown record ever
    Received:    01/06/00 4:49 am
    From:        DJ JimmyB, DJJimxxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    In a message dated 1/5/0 12:59:50 PM, you wrote:
    >Also........someone has asked one of my bands to do a
    >northern soul cover version for a compilation..........I just
    >wondered if anyone could think of any good northern soul
    >boy/girl duets ???
    Sorry Delia, no boy/girl duet comes to mind at the moment,
    but as far as Edwin Starr is concerned, the greatest 
    Non-Motown Motown record ever has to be his recording of 
    S.O.S. (Stop Her On Sight) which came out on Ric Tic in 
    Detroit in 1966 and BEGS to be Born Again. It could easily
    be a duet and you could call it northern (it has the 
    essential tambourine!) Hope this helps. 
    Jimmy Botticelli
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    Subject:     Supremes
    Received:    01/07/00 3:17 am
    From:        Stos, William,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >I didn't have any records by the Supremes, so I picked up 
    >a really cheap compilation CD called [hey, dig those 
    >aliterations!!!] "Baby Love" during my vacation. So I put 
    >the disc into my stereo today's a horrible 80s 
    >sounding remake with NO original recordings! I now notice 
    >"re-recordings" in fine-print...does anybody know anything
    >about this CD? The record label appears to be Success and 
    >the cat. number is "16287CD". The Supremes "line up" on 
    >this record is Sherrie Payne, Lynda Laurence and Jean 
    >Terrel. I don't know if they were original members or 
    They were all members at some time or another during the 
    seventies. They also go by the name of the FLOs Former 
    Ladies Of The Supremes (and no, they say that is not a 
    tribute to the late Flo Ballard, an original). There are 
    many updated recordings by the group, and various other 
    members, some good, some awful. Like all new recordings, 
    they don't quite have the original flare, but they can 
    sometimes come close. For example, a new Supremes record 
    track "He's My Man" is probably just as good as the 
    original late 70s version. The problem comes when mostly 
    unplugged Supremes tracks are redone in eletric fashion.
    >The annoying thing is that all the *songs* are fantastic! 
    >But I didn't expect the production of the "Miami Vice" 
    >theme to come out of the can anyone tell me
    >what the deal is with this bizarre remake CD, and also 
    >recommend a proper Supremes compilation with the proper 
    >originals, performed by the proper group members.
    There are many good comps out there. I'd head for the 
    anthology series, with 2 cds at 26 tracks each. Some fair 
    tracks, most are superb! For just the hits, there is a 
    single cd version of the anthology out too!
    Check out some Supremes web sites to ask other fans what 
    they'd recommend!
    By the way, there is a heavily circulating rumour that the
    Supremes (Diana, Mary, Cindy) will reunite to do a brief 
    tour following a Temptations-style tv special/movie. What 
    is everbody's thoughts on this?
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