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  • Date: 01/04/00

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       Volume #0365                         January 6, 2000   
             featuring radio and recording favorites          
    Subject:     Re:  Rhondels
    From:        DJJimxxxxxcom
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:29:41 EST
    In a message dated 1/4/0 10:59:59 AM, you wrote:
    >Bill Deal (and the Rhondells). They had three
    >pretty darn good songs out in 1969 called, "May I", "I've 
    >Been Hurt" and "What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am". 
    >Great stuff...("I've been hurt (hurt, hurt), oh, I've been
    >hurrrrt (de-oooh!)" All the stuff was up-tempo and quite 
    >danceable (as Dick Clark use to say).
    >The songs were laced with a heavy horn section, great 
    >backup from the Rhondells and at the end of three minutes 
    >you were feeling pretty good.
    >Does anyone know what's happened to them?
    Thanks for bringing up this, one of my very favorite
    Blue-Eyed Soul groups of the late 6T's. File near The
    Magnificent Men, Spiral Staircase, Buckinghams, Four
    Seasons and others of that ilk. Their recordings seem to
    be most appreciated by the Carolina "Beach Music" crowd
    down in Shagland, SC, USA where their carefree, light,
    bouncy, and  soulful pop is easy to dance to with Bud in
    hand, and of course by the English where their work has
    been re-issued within the past five years by  Sequel I
    believe. You must hear their rendition of Carole King's
    "It's Too Late", replete with thee cheesiest (and perhaps
    shortest) moog solo known to date. 
    On that note, wouldn't it be fabulash if a company decided
    to reissue a compilation of all the great Blue Eyed Soul
    bands, the kinds of bands that wore garish bell-bottomed
    uniforms and did Motown medleys, Soul covers and their one
    45 for the adoring crowds at early Holiday Inns across
    ....  Jimmy Botticelli
    Happy 2000 soft-poppers
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    Subject:     The Rhondels
    From:        Richard Globman 
    To:          Spectropop List 
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:21:47 -0500
    Claudia asked:
    >[Bill Deal (and the Rhondels)] had three
    >pretty darn good songs out in 1969 called, "May I", "I've 
    >Been Hurt" and "What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am". 
    >Great stuff...("I've been hurt (hurt, hurt), oh, I've been
    >hurrrrt (de-oooh!)" All the stuff was up-tempo and quite 
    >danceable (as Dick Clark use to say).
    (some deleted)
    >Does anyone know what's happened to them?
    Well, since you asked...
    Being a former member of The Rhondels, I can help a little.
    The band was formed about 1961 by keyboardist Bill Deal
    and drummer "Fat" Ammon Tharp.  All the members were from
    the Virginia Beach area and the set list was primarily
    covers of Virginia- North Carolina beach music favorites. 
    We played primarily fraternity parties at UVA and other
    southern schools and were the house band at the Peppermint
    Beach Club in Virginia Beach.
    The original 8-man lineup consisted of keyboards, drums,
    bass, guitar, 02 trumpets, trombone, and sax.  The group
    was "discovered" by a promotor for long-defunct Heritage
    Records and an album entitled "Vintage Rock" was cut.  The
    three hits you referred to were all covers: May I (Maurice
    Williams & The Zodiacs) I've Been Hurt (Tams) What Kind of
    Fool (Tams).
    Soon after the success of "Vintage Rock", musical tastes
    changed... Disco was in, hardcore rock was in, and
    southeastern beach music was out...except in the south.
    The band returned to the Virginia and is still active in
    the area today although Bill Deal is the only original
    member still associated with the group...Ammon Tharp has
    his own band "Fat Ammon's Band" and the rest are out of
    the music business completely, as far as I know.
    Over the years, a few other albums were cut:
    The Toast of Virginia Beach
    Once Upon a Time
    Rhondels Forever
    All were distributed only in the southeastern U.S.
    Thankfully, some people still remember the 1996
    we reunited for a benefit concert at Virginia Beach and
    sold out the arena at $200/ticket to raise money to
    restore the beach.
    Most of the '60's beach bands...The Embers, Catalinas,
    Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs, Tams, Chairman of the
    Board, etc.... are still around.
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    Subject:     this and that from Spectropop V#0364
    From: (Jack Madani)
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:39:34 -0500 writes:
    >Jim Cassidy asked if DOTB was the only one of the most 
    >played songs of the century with only 1 hit version and 
    >very few covers.
    >In reply, I believe that Michael Bolton (yikes!) charted 
    >with his version in the mid-80s (I'm at work, away from my
    >Billboard bibles right now to verify) and I remember a 
    >cover by none other than "Der Bingle," Bing Crosby. There 
    >must have been more covers too......
    Was there not also a cover by the group The Reddings,
    consisting of some of Otis's kids?  That was a hit also, I
    As for Christmas platters spun over t'the Madani's abode,
    this year my wife liked The Partridge Family disc and I
    was taken by Connie Francis's Xmas album.  "Baby's First
    Christmas" is a sweetly precious original tune, methinks.
    Individual Christmas song: "Snowfall," which I have in
    two different recordings, one by the Manhattan Transfer
    and one by Doris Day.  It's a beautiful jazzy ballad,
    really impressionistic.  Totally cool.  I think Tony
    Bennett also recorded it on his Xmas album of relatively
    recent vintage.
    Thanks John Rausch for the info on who arranged Sedaka's
    "Next Door To An Angel."  I'm disappointed that my guess
    of Claus Ogerman was incorrect--it always gives me such a
    buzz when I successfully connect the dots.  Oh well.  So
    what else, besides Lesley Gore and those Francis sides
    that I mentioned before, has Ogerman worked on?
    >Responding to Dave Feldman's comments on the Doo Wop 
    >groups, may I add one gentleman who is never mentioned (or
    >heard from)...Bill Deal (and the Rhondells). They had three
    >pretty darn good songs out in 1969 called, "May I", "I've 
    >Been Hurt" and "What Kind of Fool Do You Think I Am". 
    >Great stuff...("I've been hurt (hurt, hurt), oh, I've been
    >hurrrrt (de-oooh!)" All the stuff was up-tempo and quite 
    >danceable (as Dick Clark use to say).
    >The songs were laced with a heavy horn section, great 
    >backup from the Rhondells and at the end of three minutes 
    >you were feeling pretty good.
    >Does anyone know what's happened to them?
    They're still around, playing the Carolina beach music
    circuit, as far as I know.  But they can't be any good if
    Dicky Globman isn't playing with them any more.
    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540
    "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." 
     --Henry Cabot Henhouse III
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    Subject:     Claus Ogerman
    From:        "Ian Chapman" 
    To:          "Spectropop List" 
    Date:        Wed, 05 Jan 2000 01:27:27 -0000
    A record bearing the Ogerman name in the credits is always
    worth checking out.  If you can locate the original 45 of
    Connie Francis' "Whatever Happened To Rosemarie", you'll
    find another great Ogerman arrangement on the flip, "Your
    Other Love", which Claus wrote in collaboration with Ben
    Raleigh.  A little more dramatic than "Rosemarie", it has
    a certain Spector feel, with a "galloping" guitar and lots
    of swirling strings. I don't understand why this wasn't
    included on Connie's "Rocksides" compilation.
    It was Claus Ogerman's name as arranger/conductor on the
    label that once prompted me to pick up an unfamiliar
    Mercury 45 by Frankie Cherval, and I was glad I did. 
    "Shake Hands With A Loser", penned by Claus and Betsy
    Weinberg, is basically a male Lesley Gore record, chock
    full of those familiar Ogerman traits you mentioned,
    including a great girl chorus.  The record was actually
    the consecutive Mercury 45 issue after Lesley's "That's
    The Way Boys Are", and it's very easy to imagine both
    sides sung by Lesley herself.  The flip, a Barkan/Raleigh
    tune called "Baby Be Good To Me" is slower, but has all
    the same trademarks.  Frankie comes over somewhat in the
    Steve Lawrence mold, which is fine by me.
    Going back to Connie's "Rocksides" comp, besides "Your
    Other Love", there was another omission: "Souvenirs", a
    single in Europe, is a bouncy Barkan/Heard song on which
    Ellie Greenwich can be heard clear as a bell,
    oop-shooby-do-wah-ing her way all through it, from the
    intro to the end. My copy has no arranger credits, so I
    don't know if Claus had any involvement in this one - it
    doesn't sound like it - but it's another example of
    Connie's foray into girl-group territory.
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    Subject:     To Jack Madani Re: The Dum Dum Ditty // and to all Re: 
    Darlene on Letterman
    From:        Jimxxxxxcom
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 11:42:11 EST
    "Yeah yeah yeah yeah... " I hear ya. GREAT song, but I
    always thought it was "run run ditty" too.   "Dum dum
    ditty" doesn't make sense, you're right. Now what DOES
    makes sense and is so cool is "da doo ron ron." In the
    most perfect, th emost primal, the most rawly-emoted and
    performed  pop song ever recorded, La La Brooks sang, in
    those four syllables, what civilization has been
    attempting to convey in song since instruments were
    invented. I can see why Phil erased Darlene's lead; La
    La's unschooled, little-girl-on-the-verge-of-enlightenment
    voice was what was needed here. I remember coming in
    REAL late one Saturday night as a teenager... Mom asked
    "what the hell you been doing for the last twelve hours?"
    And the only thing I could reply with was "da doo ron
    Speaking of Darlene, I caught her on Letterman. I wonder
    why she turns "Christmas" into a clap-happy singalong?
    That song should rip the hearts out of everyone who's
    listening... still, her voice was great, and I DID cry,
    especially when she tore up the last few lines. 
    You go, Darlene. 
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    Subject:     Four Seasons Mono/Stereo
    From:        "Kingsley Abbott" 
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:04:05 -0000
    Having survived an odd mixture of drinks (entirely my
    fault) on Jan 1st, I'd like to wish all the list a very
    happy and healthy new year!
    Just to backtrack briefly to the recent discussion about
    the strange Stereo mixes of early Seasons product: I have
    just interviewed Bob Gaudio at length for a tailpiece to a
    big 4 Seasons overview piece that I am writing for
    England's Record Collector. I raised this point with him,
    and basically he said that the stereo mixes were none of
    his or the group's doing, having been done (badly) by
    person or persons unknown. All their recordings were
    conceived as full mono sounds a la Phil S's 'tiny speaker
    for radio effect' approach. The Vee Jay stuff was all done
    on a two track machine, with just a little bouncing. It
    was not until they moved to Philips that they began to use
    an eight track at Atlantic Studios, after all the others
    at Stea Philips studio. There will be more in the piece
    later this year. Incidently, apart from their usual
    drummer Buddy Salsman, they played everything on the
    tracks themselves until they gradually began to add extra
    people like a second guitar about the middle of the
    Philips era. They sure were talented guys, getting the
    richness of sound that they achieved as far back as 1962.
    Crewe's production really helped too, which Gaudio
    acknowledged. Also, he did not know the Victorians "Baby
    Toys" track we recently mentioned, or many of the other
    soundalikes Concords, Classics etc etc), so I have agreed
    to send him a CDR of them with his productions of the
    Jesse James & Outlaws tracks which he also doesn't have!!
    Lastly, should any Meekophiles on the list be interested
    in the little bit I wrote in RC on my 1963 visit to his
    studio, just mail me privately and maybe I can photocopy a
    few or give the back copy ref.
    Cheers 'n' Beers
    Kingsley Abbott
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    Subject:     Re: Los Yaki
    From:        "Francesc Sole" 
    To:          "Spectropop" 
    Date:        Wed, 05 Jan 2000 01:16:56 +0100
    I asked your question to some fellow Beatle fans and I can
    tell you that Los Yaki were from Mexico.
    A band from Spain called Los Mustang did lots of Beatle
    covers, including El Submarino Amarillo and many of these
    covers were more popular in Spain than the Beatles
    originals at that time! :-) :-/
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    Subject:     Christmas Time (& Mingo-go) is Here Again
    From:        DJJimxxxxxcom
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:32:23 EST
    In a message dated 1/4/0 10:59:59 AM, you wrote:
    >the Xmas song I wasn't able to get off my mind this year 
    >was the Flirtations "Christmas Time is Here Again". A 
    Welcome back Mingo-go. We're waiting for your tome on
    Japanese music! I'll chip in with my fave in the spirit of
    the season ;-)   Honey & The Bees "Jing-Jing-A-Ling" 
    Jimmy Botticelli
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    Subject:     Happy 2K
    From:        BOBBYxxxxxcom
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:19:16 EST
    In a message dated 1/4/00 10:00:23 AM Central Standard Time, writes:
    <<  a egalement enregistre - Super 45 tours - microsillon  >>
    OK. You've lost me here, Mr. Administrator.
     Happy 2K y'all.
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    Subject:     not zactly girl groups but similar kinda time zone...
    From:        Rough Trade Shop 
    To:          Spectropop List 
    Date:        Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:10:26 +0000
    Just wondered if anyone had seen Edwin Starr play
    recently? He's playing just outside town (croydon
    brannigans.....) tomorrow night and I wondered if it was
    worth making the trip....
    Also........someone has asked one of my bands to do a
    northern soul cover version for a compilation..........I just
    wondered if anyone could think of any good northern soul
    boy/girl duets ???
    Thanks for any info on these!!!
    x delia x
    if you'd like to be sent regular new releases emails let me know
    ph-0171 792 3490
    fax 0171 221 1146
    at....130 talbot road  , london , wiiija, u.k.
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