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Spectropop V#0363

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 12/28/99

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       Volume #0363                         January 1, 2000   
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              A lifetime of pure listening enjoyment          
    
    
    
    
    Subject:     Happy Holidays from a Spector
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        Spxxxxxm.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    
    Hello All.
    
    I would like to wish all the Fans of Phil Spector a 
    wonderful Holiday Season.
    
    I have enjoyed all the kind words about him and even the 
    inside stories about Gold Star Studios (which I have seen 
    only 3 times as a kid with my other brothers).
    
    I am sure Phil Spector will be enjoying another Christmas 
    birthday again this year. I will wish him my best on 25 
    Dec, 1999 as I am sure all of the Fans reading this do as 
    well.
    
    I know I will be listening to his Christmas CD this Year.
    
    Here's to PS2K.
    
    Happy Holiday's from,
    G. P. Spector
    
    
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    Subject:     Doowop and Spectropoppers
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        David Feldman, fexxxxxnderables.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    
    While watching the PBS two-hour plus doowop special for 
    the second time, it occurred to me that there has been 
    remarkably little discussion of doowop on this list. 
    
    In some ways, doowop is the antithesis of Spector and 
    Brill Building stuff -- it shares the emotion but often 
    lacks the superimposition of production and technical 
    prowess that emerged with the session folk on both coasts 
    (and in Detroit and Memphis). I have a feeling this is why
    there is so little discussion of R&B harmony music on 
    Spectropop. Personally, I love doowop.
    
    Just a couple of observations:
    
     1. Doowop is usually considered to be "fifties music," 
    yet the quality of the music did not degenerate in the 
    early 60s. It might seem like it was a decade between the 
    Flamingo's "I Only Have Eyes For You" and Shimmy Shimmy Ko
    Ko Bob," but it was less than a year. Tons of great doowop 
    songs were released in the early 60s.
    
     2. Has there been any genre within R&B in which white 
    singers worked with such distinction? Doowop is perceived 
    as black music, yet relatively early on, in groups like 
    the Crests and Del-Vikings, racially mixed groups were not
    unknown, and audiences were often well-integrated, too. 
    Groups like The Capris (whose vocal chops are totally 
    intact today), the Regents, Skyliners, Brooklyn Bridge, 
    the Belmonts (with or without Dion), Passions, and the 
    Duprees are just a few of the white groups who were still 
    around in the 60s (in some cases, they *started* recording
    in the 60s) who made great contributions. [On the pledge 
    breaks on the NYC PBS station, the Capris sang an acapella
    version of "Morse Code of Love" that rocked the joint.] 
    
     3. I have a distinct preference for emotional popular 
    music. While Spector could "make the phonebook sound good," 
    I actually think he was very song-dependent. When a song
    was weak, his Wall of Sound somehow sounds hollow, 
    incapable of bolstering the weak emotional content. That's
    one reason why doowop sounds so vital and fresh to me. 
    Stripped of extraneous production and instrumentation, the
    sincerity and beauty of the singers shine through, and when
    they grab hold of a transcendent song, be it "A Sunday Kind
    of Love" (still my favorite song title ever), "Since I 
    Don't Have You," or "Daddy's Home," my reaction is primal 
    and overwhelming.
    
    
    Dave Feldman
    
    RIP:  Curtis Mayfield
    Song of the Week:  "I'm So Proud" (Impressions)
    Board Game of the Month:  Malarky
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    Subject:     King of the plinky Triangle
    Received:    12/30/99 4:49 pm
    From:        Jack Madani, Jack_Mxxxxxk12.nj.us
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Boy, it actually does pay to read liner notes. I finally 
    put the pieces together to come up with a new name that we
    may have to discuss here at greater length.
    
    Claus Ogerman.
    
    I think that some months ago his moniker was briefly 
    bounced around on the list here, but if memory serves it 
    was little more than a name-check. But I just bought 
    myself a groovy little Polydor disc called "Connie Francis: 
    RockSides (1957-1964)" and there are some swingin'
    Brill Building tunes on the latter half of the cd that 
    really caught my attention. First of all, the two Connie 
    songs that are on the Mercury Girl Group Anthology came 
    from this RockSides disc, but in this different context 
    they suddenly reveal their secrets like that episode of 
    Star Trek on the Native American Planet where Kirk totally
    by accident triggers the Meteor Laser gizmo which hits him 
    on the head and he gets amnesia and becomes Kurok the 
    Shaman--and maybe I'm getting off the track here. Hmm. I'll
    l start over.
    
    What I think I finally discovered is the whole NYC Brill 
    Building version of the LA/Wrecking Crew/Gold Star axis. 
    Hey, there's even a bunch of jazz musicians listed in the 
    session credits: Bucky Pizzarelli, Milt Hinton, George 
    Duvivier, Doc Severinsen, Urbie Green, among others. And 
    instead of Gold Star or Western, the NY studio with magic 
    in the walls would be A&R. Would this be a correct 
    assessment?
    
    As for Claus Ogerman, he's be like the East Coast version 
    of Jack Nitzsche (cripes! why can't I remember how to 
    spell his name?). Only, in Ogerman's case his trademark 
    sound would be those steady eighth-note triangle plinks, 
    the mixed-chorus background singers singin' staccato "yeah
    yeah's," fairly prominent use of harpsichord in the rhythm 
    section, and the xylophone/marimba accents at the end of 
    each line in the second verse.
    
    Think Lesley Gore's It's My Party or Judy's Turn To Cry, 
    and you get what I'm after. Heck, I finally go read the 
    liner notes on Lesley Gore's Mercury anthology and there I
    see Herr Ogerman's name all the heck over her recordings. 
    Well, on Connie Francis's RockSides disc there are two 
    Ogerman-arranged cuts that have those signature sounds all
    over them as well: Whatever Happened To Rosemarie, and My 
    Best Friend Barbara. A third tune, No Better Off, also has
    the sound, although the liner notes don't say who arranged 
    it (there's an oblique reference to NBO being recorded at 
    the same session as "Don't Ever Leave Me," and the 
    arranger for the DELM is listed as Artie Butler, but until
    someone else can confirm or deny, I'm still holding out for
    Claus as being the guy responsible for the sound of NBO). 
    Oh hey, here's another thing that seems to be an Ogerman 
    trait: the slow non-rhythmic opening intro, followed by an
    explosive drum blat and then the song properly springs to 
    life. Like Lesley Gore's version of The Old Crowd, whose 
    beginning has exactly the same orchestral palette as 
    Connie's My Best Friend Barbara. On the other hand, that 
    slow-opening trick COULD have been a Carole King thing, 
    since she wrote The Old Crowd, and Carole did the same 
    slow-opening thing on her own recording of It Might As 
    Well Rain Until September. Hmm. Little help here, someone?
    
    But those other sound traits seem really to belong to 
    Ogerman, so much so that I'm going to go out on a limb and
    guess that he was responsible for the orchestration of Neil
    Sedaka's I'm Livin' Right Next Door To An Angel.
    
    And maybe Betty Everett's Shoop Shoop song as well? Okay,
    so now I'm just guessing wildly. But I'm serious about the 
    Sedaka tune. Can anyone provide an answer?
    
    Back to the Connie Francis disc. There's some great tracks
    on it, with contributions from Greenwich and Barry both 
    musical and vocal (on top of which, Ellie also adds some 
    written material to the booklet), as well as a track with 
    backing vocals by the Tokens. There are also recordings of
    Sedaka/Greenfield songs, Pomus/Shuman songs, and even a 
    couple terrific Countrypolitan tracks recorded in 
    Nashville and overseen by Bill Justis that have that 
    killer real clear bass sound that's doubled by a distorted
    electric guitar, so that you not only hear the note but 
    also get this crystal-clear plectrum hit on the string 
    coming through. Jamie can perhaps shed light on what I'm 
    trying to describe here.
    
    Connie Francis's voice may have been clear on the other 
    side of town from Mary Weiss's [Shangri-Las] pipes, but 
    with that Brill Building machinery surrounding her she 
    could do a purty fair cop of girlgroup.
    
    So, Claus Ogerman. Eventually ended up scoring the very 
    best of AC Jobim's Verve albums, as well as the Reprise 
    collaboration disc between Jobim and Sinatra. Finally 
    turned to "serious" music, as I have a 1988 disc of 
    symphonic music composed and conducted by Claus "Ogermann." 
    The notes on this classical disc make absolutely no 
    reference at all to Ogerman's life in the pop music biz.
    
    Any more to this story?
    
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    Jack Madani - Princeton Day School, The Great Road,
       Princeton, NJ  08540   Jack_Mxxxxxk12.nj.us
    "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred." 
     --Henry Cabot Henhouse III
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    Subject:     Re: King/Goffin compilations
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        Ed Rothstein, eroxxxxx.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Jamie LePage wrote:
    > 
    > Heavy Blinker Jason got a few answers about King/Goffin
    > compilations, but I just wanted to throw in the fantastic
    > Carole King Masterpiece Volumes 1, 02 , 03 on A-Side. These
    > are mostly mastered from vinyl, but they are wonderful 
    > collections.
    > 
    > For track listings, go to
    > http://www2.gol.com/users/davidr/aside/
    
    > 
    > The A-Side discog is definitely worth checking out.
    
    Jamie,
    
    Where can you buy these titles? They look great!
    
    
    ed rothstein
    
    
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    Subject:     BMI Top 100 Songs
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        James F.  Cassidy, casswxxxxxhlink.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    I wonder what the winner would be of the "most played 
    *record* of the century"?
    
    Looking down the list of most played songs, some obviously
    benefitted from multiple versions and multiple hits:
    
    "Lovin' Feelin'": 2 (Righteous Bros. and [blechh!] Hall & 
    Oates)
    "Never My Love": 2 (Association and [5th Dimension? 
    Marilyn McCoo solo?])
    "Yesterday": 1 hit by The Beatles but a million cover 
    versions
    "Stand By Me": I think this hit twice, both by Ben E. King, 
    and many covers
    "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You": 2 (Frankie Valli, 
    Lettermen) and many covers
    "Dock of the Bay": 1 (Otis)
    "Mrs. Robinson": 2 or 3 (S&G, Lemonheads, even Sinatra) 
    and many covers
    "Baby I Need Your Loving": 2 (4 Tops, Johnny Rivers)
    "Rhythm of the Rain": 2 (Cascades, Dan Fogelberg)
    "Georgia on My Mind": At least 2 (Brother Ray and [gag!] 
    Michael Bolton) and a million covers.
    
    Am I wrong or was "Dock of the Bay" the only one at the 
    top with only 1 hit version and very few covers?
    
    Happy New Year to all!
    
    Jim Cassidy 
    
    
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    Subject:     Ronnie Spector
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        john rausch,xxxxx.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Here`s a new article/interview with Ronnie Spextor at
    http://www.theavclub.com/avclub3534/avfeature3534.html
    
    
    John Rausch
    Presenting The fabulous Ronettes featuring Ronnie 
    Spexxxxxp://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/
    
    
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    Subject:     She Trinity
    Received:    12/31/99 12:18 am
    From:        Scott Swanson, swxxxxxa.rdrop.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    
    Does anyone out there have any recordings by the obscure 
    British girl-group called She Trinity?  If so, please get 
    in touch with me.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Scott
    (swxxxxxa.rdrop.com)
    
    
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    Subject:     from CK
    Received:    12/29/99 3:48 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    From Brad Elliott:  
    >I appreciate your sensitivity...
    
    The Musicians' Union Federation will be getting in touch 
    with you -- no-one is to post contracts on the web at all.
    They almost took legal action against one and he quickly 
    took the contract off the url. Our contracts are not in 
    books either - but 2 of them were purloined out of the 
    Union and found their way on bootlegs one time which 
    shocked us all. I've also notified Billy Strange. 
    
    Russ Wapensky is doing very meticulous work to work out 
    all the wrong entries in some of the Musicians' Union 
    contract, such as some of the Beach Boys contracts, Phil 
    Spector contracts etc. Many things that are wrong 
    sometimes gets on those contracts. Russ is the only one to
    have interviewed all of us, arrangers, studio musicians, 
    producers, background singers, copyists, just 100s of 
    interviews....his book will be the only book that is 
    well-researched from so many people involved in our 
    sessions.
    
    The Union doesn't allow anyone access like what Russ has...
    they've had too many contracts stolen and missing...
    there's so many who obsessed with this kind of thing. No, 
    I didn't have a good afternoon. BTW our Pension records 
    have always been totally off-limits except to Russ and 
    much can be re-constituted from them if need be.
    
    Just heard from my daughter that data will start to be 
    collected from Terra middle of Jan. 
    http://terra.nasa.gov/EVENTS/terralaunchstatus.html
    
    
    Carol Kaye 
    http://www.carolkaye.com/
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: Dancer Prancer and Nervous
    Received:    12/29/99 1:01 am
    From:        WASE RADIO,xxxxxt.org
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Hi Ian:
    
     I have the Dancer Prancer and Nervous song on a compact 
    disc of novelty Christmas songs on Priority. Even though 
    the song is considered a novelty, it actually has a nice 
    tune. I have no way of slowing the compact disc down to 
    hear whether or not they sound like the Lettermen or the 
    Four Preps. Speaking of that situation, if you played the 
    45 of the Murmaids' "Popsicles and Icicles" at 33 speed, 
    they sound like the Beach Boys. I kid you not!! Well any 
    way to all Spectropppers, a happy and :):):):):):):):):):)
    millenium.
    
     Happy Listening
     Michael G. Marvin
     WASE radio 
    
    
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    Subject:     Fave Christmas Track?
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        Jimmy Cresitelli, Jimxxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Hi Ian! In response to your wondering, my favorite 
    Christmas cut has to be the Crystals' "Santa Claus Is 
    Coming to Town." When La La Brooks begins her thunderous 
    assault with that quiet "Jimmy...," I get chills. : ) The 
    entire production leaves me breathless. It blows away any 
    other versions I've heard. To me, this is what rock and 
    roll is all about: volume; super-sonic rhythm; and a 
    million voices raised in song. Can't believe I've been 
    playing that original Spector LP since I bought it (new) 
    back in 1970 for $5.00... now THAT was a Christrmas gift 
    for ME! 
    
    
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    Subject:     Holiday Hits
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        john rausch,xxxxx.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    In reply to Ian`s Christmas tracks post:
    
    Darlene Love`s "Christmas Baby Please Come Home" has got 
    to be the grandaddy of them all without a doubt. Did 
    anyone see her performance on Letterman? I heard it was 
    over the top this year. And Darlene`s "Nobody Ought To Be 
    Alone At Christmas" is truly a phenomonal track for a new 
    generation. Also on my playlist this year is Ronnie 
    Spector and Darlene Love`s cover/duet of "Rockin Around 
    The Christmas Tree". New from last year but kind of got 
    lost already is Ronnie Spector and Eddie Money doing 
    "Everybody Loves Christmas". Also enjoyable are the Roy 
    Wood/Wizzard songs Ian mentioned. Great Spector sound. A 
    few other faves this year (although not really holiday 
    songs but still are fun) are Pixies Three`s Cold Cold 
    Winter and Connie Francis` I`m Gonna Be Warm This Winter.
    
    John Rausch
    Phil Spector`s Wall Of Soundat 
    http://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/
    
    
    
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    Subject:     Trackin' Christmas songs
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        Jamie LePage, le_pagxxxxxities.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Ian Chapman wrote:
    
    >I was wondering which Christmas tracks Spectropoppers have
    >been playing for their own enjoyment lately...
    
    "Wonder Christmas" by Japanese femme pop star Chocolat. On
    her new NeoSITE (Japan) EP "Fargo". For all the right 
    reasons, highly recommended to everyone and especially 
    fans of Rag Dolls and Diane Renay. It doesn't often get 
    much better than this. I only wish she sang in English.
    
    Chocolat
    
    Drifters' "White Christmas". Ever notice that Spector copped 
    the ending of this for Darlene's version?
    
    Regardless of what musical styles happen to be in vogue at
    the time, the popularity of secular holiday songs lives on.
    
    In the 70s and 80s many Christmas records were "novelty" 
    one-shot records, but a growing number of contemporary 
    artists are making new recordings of holiday classics 
    (often mixed with one or two originals). The Wilsons' 
    Christmas album is quite good, with more than a few nods 
    to Mr. Spector. Even Hanson's "Snowed In" album has merit,
    including covers of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" and
    "Little Saint Nick". Solid A&R on both of these records; 
    despite the slick modern sound, there is quite a bit 
    everyone can appreciate. 
    
    As far as Christmas *songs* go, I wanted to 
    mention "Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow" as a 
    personal fave. I adore the lyric to this Christmas 
    standard. "Little Drummer Boy" and "Do You Hear What I 
    Hear" are wonderful too. And of course, "The Christmas 
    Song" (Chestnuts roasting...) has to be on everyone's 
    list. 
    
    I spent a quiet Christmas with three generations at the 
    dinner table, and holiday recordings from Bing Crosby to 
    the Chipmunks to 98 Degrees. Nearly everyone is familiar 
    with them. The holiday standards: They play an important 
    part in bringing people together at this time of the year. 
    
    Enjoy the rest of the holiday season, everyone.
    
    
    Jamie
    
    
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    Subject:     Christmas Top Ten
    Received:    12/28/99 9:18 am
    From:        John Hesterman, Zacxxxxxoffice.worldnet.att.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Greetings All :)
    
    Ian Chapman wrote . . . "I was wondering which Christmas 
    tracks Spectropoppers have been playing for their own 
    enjoyment lately....."
    
    Here's my holiday Top Ten in no particular order:
    
    Father Christmas - The Kinks
    The Holy & Ivy - Laurence Juber
    Christmas Time Is Here Again - Ringo Starr
    Child Of Winter - The Beach Boys
    Nuttin' For Christmas - The Fontaine Sisters
    White Christmas - Charlie Spivak & Jimmy Saunders (a very old oldie)
    Merry Christmas Darling - The Carpenters
    Christmas Auld Lang Syne - Bobby Darin
    Green Christmas - Stan Freeberg
    Oh Holy Night - Montavani 
    
    I know this is a rather eclectic mix, but Christmas spans 
    a lot of time and facilitates a lot of styles :) 
    Happy Holidays All!
    
    John H.
    
    A Grape :)
    Also an Offbeat :)
    With a TRACE of music in there somewhere!
    
    
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    Subject:     GREAT CD
    Received:    12/31/99 12:36 pm
    From:        JAMESxxxxxcom
    To:          spectxxxxxe.com
    
    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SPECTOR CD AND RIVER DEEP 
    MOUNTAIN HIGH! ELECRIFYING! FANTASTIC! IT IS GREAT!     
    THE SOUND IS SUPERB!           
    
    HAVE A GREAT NEW YEAR
    
    
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    Subject:     HAPPY NEW YEAR
    Received:    12/30/99 1:04 pm
    From:        Daniel Rozic, daniel.xxxxxel.hr
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
        Hi, everyone
        
        To all members:
        
        Happy New Year
        
        Daniel from Croatia
        daniel.xxxxxel.hr
    
    
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