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  • Date: 12/15/99

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       Volume #0357                       December 16, 1999   
    Subject:     Re: Richie Frost
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Brad Elliott,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Carol Kaye wrote:
    > Richie did a
    > few dates around town for a short while, was sort of a
    > 3rd-stringer (sorry, have to tell it like it is) there for
    > awhile, nice guy, fair drummer.
    > I did do some dates with Richie on
    > drums but NEVER for Phil Spector -- some of the rock-surf
    > dates, some pop too. It was always Earl Palmer or Hal
    > Blaine who did the heavy dates (but Sharkey Hall did some
    > great dates early on on drums too, as did John Guerin a
    > little later with various producers).
    One of the heavier dates Frost did -- and one of the ones 
    that Carol played with him -- was for The Beach Boys' 
    instrumental, "Pet Sounds." The track was cut at Western 
    on Nov. 17, 1965. According to the AFM contract for the 
    date, Frost was paid for a double on drums and percussion.
    Besides Carol, also on hand were Lyle Ritz, Tommy Tedesco, 
    Jerry Cole, Billy Strange, Bill Green, Jim Horn, Plas 
    Johnson, Jay Migliori and Roy Caton -- in other words, 
    most of the regular cats. Oh, yeah, playing piano was some
    guy named Brian Wilson. Carol, do you remember anything 
    about that date? The percussion that Frost played was two 
    empty Coca-Cola cans!
    Surf's up!
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    Subject:     No....
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > I would say he was 4th call, behind Hal Blaine, Earl 
    > Palmer and Jim Gordon.  From Rex....
    NO-WAY!!! Richie was NOT that busy at all! Here's the 
    names of other drummers back then who were doing the work 
    besides Earl and Hal:
    Besides Earl Palmer and Hal Blaine -- Sharkey Hall, Jesse 
    Sailes, Jack Sperling, Frankie Capp, John Guerin, Paul 
    Humphrey, Ron Tutt, Alvin Stoller, Ed Greene, Louie 
    Bellson, Irv Cotler, Shelly Manne, Mel Lewis, Jackie Mills, 
    Harold Jones, Panama Francis. These were the 1st and 2nd
    call drummers. 
    Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     From Perry Botkin
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Perry is a dear friend of mine, and "the" quintessential 
    arranger of teh 60s who quickly picked up what rock was 
    and how to arrange for it. He was always the BEST to work 
    for, just a terrific guy, full enthusiasm, loving to work 
    with the studio musicians ALL the way. And we felt it too,
    loved working for him. Here's what he said about the 
    "arranger" definition and about Ritchie Frost:
    >Sorry I didn't get back to you soon enough for a definition 
    >of "arranger".  I've been "arranging" Christmas and trying 
    >to get a decent mix on a piece I just finished.  Haven't 
    >picked up my e-mail for 3 days.
    >I liked your definition. Simple and to the point. I tend 
    >to get very complicated when asked this kind of question 
    >so it's probably better that you answered this gentleman.
    >You're right about Richie. A fair drummer. He did however
    >do a nice job for me on Bobby Darin's "Mame". Certainly not
    >as strong as the 'Big Three' tho.
    Carol Kaye
    BTW, Perry's website is:
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    Subject:     arrangers and producers
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Kieron Tyler,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Interesting subject this, here's a little UK perspective 
    I've gleaned.
    Charles Blackwell ('60s arranger, started for Joe Meek, 
    then did loads of great girl records (inc. Francoise Hardy) 
    and stuff like PJ Proby, then produced in his own right)
    said that '60s producers were like film producers - they 
    managed the session. In his experience their contribution 
    to the finished record was more organisational than 
    musical. Obviously someone like Mickie Most would 
    contribute to music. Blackwell said he'd write 
    arrangements from the demo or sheet music and never once 
    did a producer say they didn't like it, only when (for 
    example) the amount of trumpets exceeded the budget. He 
    said Andrew Loog Oldham made little contribution beyond 
    trying to make it sound like Phil Spector!!
    He also said the session musicians would contribute. '60s 
    session men I've spoken to have said that most of the time
    they would play what they felt, never having any parts 
    rejected. For example the tone-pedal guitar on Dave 
    Berry's 'Crying Game' was entirely Big Jim Sullivan's idea. 
    This explains Jimmy Pages entirely too heavy (but great)
    guitar on Louise Cordet's 'Two Lovers'. Suffice it to say, 
    it's fascinating attempting to work out just how the 
    finished records were arrived at.
    All the best, 
    Kieron Tyler 
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    Subject:     Joe Meek
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    "jake tassell"  wrote:
    > On a seasonal note I've been advised that anyone who likes
    > The Joe Meek Sound (you remember 'Telstar' - right?)
    > should check out:-
    > I can't personally recommend all the content of this site
    > (hmm hmm) but there's loads of music on it and on their
    > latest update they've put up a bunch of unreleased
    > downloadable Joe Meek Christmas songs, which should be at
    > the very least - interesting listening.
    Hi Jake,
    Thanks for this link! There are a surpising number of RA
    files there! Many are previously unreleased, too. I have
    most of the Joe Meek CDs listed in the CD gallery on that
    page, but I still found plenty of tracks on RA files which
    I had never heard before. It is really a pity the site
    does not have higher quality files that play over G2 Real
    Audio. Still, even though the quality is not very good,
    these RA files are definitely worth checking out for Meek
    Funny, Meek had a habit of speeding up his recordings, and
    it seems like some of the files are sped up even further.
    Sky Men by Geoff Goddard was a great listen even though it
    sounded like a helium vocal.
    Also of great interest were the original mixes of I Hear a
    New World. Amazing! Strikingly different from the CD. I
    wonder why these tracks were remixed? Anyone know?
    Thanks again, Jake!
    Jamie "'perfect echo aficionado'" LePage
    n.p. Nice Age - DJ David Ponak -
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    Subject:     P. J. Proby + Jack Nitzsche
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Lindsay Martin,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I have two versions of a P.J. Proby recording of a 
    wonderful song by Goffin & King , "I Can't Make It Alone",
    produced and arranged by Jack Nitzsche. It is a very 
    Spector-sounding production which reminds me of the 
    Righteous Brothers.
    Version (1) is on a Liberty single, LIB-10250, an 
    Australian issue.
    Version (2) appears on an EMI Australia CD, "Man with a 
    Mission", a compilation of Proby's hits in the U.K. and 
    Australia, where he was apparently more popular than in 
    the States. 
    The interesting thing is that Version (2) seems to be the 
    same track, but it has some vocals missing: the single has
    Proby doing some response-style embellishments which make 
    it sound even more like the Righteous Brothers. 
    I wonder whether anyone has any anecdotal information or 
    idea about how this came about, or even any comments on or
    details about Nitzsche's work with Proby. Perhaps the 
    reissue on CD is at fault: could the additional vocals be 
    on a track that just got lost when it was remastered or 
    whatever they did to it? I'd be very surprised if they 
    were completely different sessions, though: to my ear they
    sound identical. The CD track doesn't sound incomplete, 
    just simpler.
    Also - not that it signifies anything, I guess - the label
    on the single is printed "I CAN Make It Alone", unlike the 
    CD reissue listing and the lyrics. (Dusty Springfield also
    recorded the song, a bit later.)
    The CD is called "Man With A Mission" after Proby's 
    biggest Australian hit, a stunning rearrangement of Donny 
    Brooks's "Mission Bell" (whoever arranged it is a genius).
    It was the B-side of "Stagger Lee".
    Incidentally, one of my favourite songs from the 60s is a 
    beautiful, atmospheric song by Jackie de Shannon called 
    "Just Like Him" which is the B-side of P.J. Proby's "
    Somewhere". Without putting him down as a performer, this 
    guy had access to great songwriters, producers and 
    arrangers, it seems.
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    Subject:     on the Four Seasons
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Billy G. Spradlin,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    (PS: sorry for the late reply...been in Oklahoma for 
    business and family matters)
    >Hi Billy:
    >The only thing I have on the Four Seasons is the 3 cd set,
    >originally released in 1987. This covers their entire
    >career as well as the Frankie Valli solo stuff. Years ago
    >I use to have the "Edizione D'Oro" two album set. A couple
    >of interesting curios. It had the rare stereo version of 
    >"Rag Doll", a rare stereo version of "Let's Hang On" (minus
    >the slow verse at the beginning.
    Another interesting stereo mix is "Girl Come Runnin'" 
    which I have on a K-Tel compilation from the mid 70's. I 
    still haven't found "Ronnie", "Huggin' My Pillow", "Big 
    Man's World" and "Only Yesterday" in stereo anywhere.
    "Rag Doll" has popped up in Stereo on a few CD 
    compilations (a Time/Life CD which I don't have) and also 
    ACE's fine two-fer of the "Dawn/Rag Doll" albums. I still 
    prefer the mono because it sounds like they added more 
    percussion and that great snare "BANG" is much louder than
    it is on the stereo mix. I don't have the stereo "Lets Hang
    On".. anyone know what CD it appears on? I also remember 
    hearing some sattilite oldies format (ABC's Pure Gold) 
    playing the stereo "Lets Hang On" with the mono intro 
    poorly edited on. 
    >But the big minus is "Will
    >You Still Love Me Tomorrow?" which sounds like someone
    >stuffed towels in my speakers. In other words it sounded
    >horrible-absolutely no highs.
    I have the original Philips 45 and the mono mix sounds 
    much better. Also Rhino's "Genuine Life Gazette" CD has a 
    very flat sound too. I have noticed that many Seasons 66-
    69 recordings vary greatly in Sound quality. Some sound 
    great but others are super-flat sounding and hissy. My 
    only guesses are that Crewe changed studios (that had 
    noisier equipment), changed to a different tape brand that
    hasn't aged well over the years, or those tapes got lost or
    destroyed and all that Bill Inglot and company could find 
    were second/third generation safety copies for the 3 CD 
    set........Who Knows?
    I would love to see ACE or Rhino put together a Mono-Only 
    compilation of the Seasons hits, because in many cases 
    they sound much better than the stereo LP mixes. I guess 
    theres no real market for it since there's many Seasons 
    hits collections available.
    >I used to have the two album
    >set on Private Stock called "The Four Seasons Story". The
    >stereo versions of the early hits such as "Sherry" and 
    >"Big Girls Don't Cry" sounds tighter-with the rhythm
    >section in the center with the lead vocal, and the
    >background vocals on the right. Both those sets miss the
    >Frankie Valli solo hits.
    "Story" was the first 4 Seasons compilation I ever bought 
    (I was 13 years old) and made me a lifelong fan. They also
    used a different take of "Tell It To The Rain" on this comp
    that has a different vocal take from Frankie and the 
    "Edizione D'Oro" version of "Dawn" without the "Pretty As a
    Mid-Summers Morn..." intro but has the group chanting "Dawn" 
    twice before Frankie sings the first verse!
    I love this anal-retentive nit-picking stuff...! 
    Billy G. Spradlin
    29 Rim Road
    Kilgore, Texas 75662
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    Subject:     Gold Star used a bicycle chain
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        WASE RADIO,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    To Jake Tassell:
    I think I posted some information on Gold Star's 
    equipment. But let me re-post. The Gold Star console was 
    "custom built" by Dave Gold, one of the studios co-owners. 
    This is the one with the three meters and the big knobs. 
    To the right of the console were two reel to reel tape 
    machines-one for full track mono and a taller three track 
    for stereo. The latter machine may have always been 
    bouncing tracks-that is taking a three track tape and 
    mixing down to one track on the other machine. They had 
    one, possibility two monitor speakers in the control room.
    In the recording room, there were two large Klipschhorn 
    speakers-in the two corners across the room from the 
    control room. Originally there was just one studio.
    Back in 1983, I wrote a letter to Gold Star, and received
    a reply by a woman named Johnette. She said in one part 
    that they used a bicycle chain to raise the levels on all 
    three tracks. A second studio was constructed in the late 
    1960s. By the late 1970s,A third studio was constructed. 
    All three studios were equipped with 24 track consoles and
    all other such modern amenities.. On March 2, 1984, this 
    historical studio was shut down, slated for demolition. 
    Another report was that the building was burned down. I 
    have that letter somewheres. If I can find it,I'll be glad
    to post it. Thanks for the compliments.
    Good luck,
    Michael G. Marvin 
    WASE radio
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    Subject:     Spector sessions
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        john rausch,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Thanks Carol for your answers to my questions re: Spector 
    and his session drummers.And Richie Frost.Just goes to 
    prove ya can`t believe everything ya read. It`s great to 
    get the scoop right from the source (you!). Also thanks to
    Rex Patton.Re: Richie Frost and Lee Michaels. Learn 
    something new every day!
    John Rausch
    Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sound at
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    Subject:     Liquid Room 12/11/99
    Received:    12/15/99 11:08 pm
    From:        Ponak, David, david.xxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop,
    The Liquid Room airs every Saturday Morning (Friday night)
    from 3-6 on 90.7 FM KPFK. (98.7 in Santa Barbara County).
    Also check out my show The Nice Age at http:// Monday and Wednesday evenings from 8-10
    PST. This Wednesday, 12/15/99 The Aluminum Group will be
    live in the studio chatting and spinning records. If you're
    in LA, be sure to check out their debut at Spaceland this 
    Thursday, 12/16/99.
    Also, don't miss DJ Me DJ You and The Raymakers at 
    Spaceland Friday 12/17/99.
    The Liquid Room 12/11/99:
    1.The Comittee-California My Way
    Happy Together: The Best Of White Whale Records (Varese Sarabande)
    2.Stereolab with Herbie Mann-One Note Samba/Surfboard
    Red Hot + Rio (Verve)
    3.The Spiders-Monkey Dance
    GS I Love You-Japanese Garage Bands Of The 60's (Big Beat)
    4.The Lou Hoffner Trio Minus One-Moog Walk
    7" single (Sheep-Switzerland)
    RO 3003 (Bungalow)
    6.Silicon Teens-Let's Dance
    Music For Parties (Mute-UK)
    7.Chappie-Chappie's Attack
    New Chappie (Sony-Japan)
    8.Charles Fox-Charge
    Pufnstuf Movie Soundtrack (Capitol)
    9.Pizzicato Five-20th Century Girl
    Pizzicato Five (******* Japan)
    10.Francoise Hardie-Nous Etions Amies
    Maid In Paris (4 Corners)
    11.Our Hour-Cal Flower
    Electric Heavy Land (LD&K-Japan)
    12.The Free Design-I Wanna Be There
    Umbrellas (Siesta-Spain)
    13.Fun Lovin' Criminals-The Summer Wind
    Mimosa (Chrysalis-UK)
    14.Ferrante & Teicher-Brazil
    15.Saint Etienne-Calico
    So Tough (WB)
    16.The Divine Comedy-Life On Mars (Bowie Cover)
    Rarities (Setanta-UK)
    17.Serge Gainsbourg-Harly David Son Of A Bitch
    Love On The Beat (Polygram-France)
    18.Sid Bass-Playera
    Moog Espana (RCA)
    19.Arling & Cameron-Hashi
    Music For Imaginary Films (Emperor Norton)
    20.Mark Wirtz Orchestra & Chorus-A Touch Of Velvet, A Sting Of Brass
    The Go Go Music Of... (R.P.M.-UK)
    21.Yuji Oniki-Paper Tigers
    Orange (1 Plus 1) Wonderful 60's esque soft pop record-check it out!
    22.The Cowsills-Grey Sunny Day
    The Best Of The Cowsills (Polydor)
    23.The Rutles-Questionaire
    Archeology (Virgin)
    24.The Cuff Links-Robin's World
    The Cuff Links (Decca)
    25.Space Ponch-Batanga Cha Cha Cha
    The World Shopping With Space Ponch (Transonic/Flavour-Japan)
    26.Gershon Kingsley-Porgy & Bess Introduction And Opening Scene 1
    Switched On Gershwin (Avco)
    27.Gal Costa-Namorinho De Portao
    Gal Costa (Polygram-Brazil)
    28.Yoshinori Sunahara-2300 Hawaii
    Take Off And Landing (Sony-Japan)
    29.The Aluminum Group-Miss Tate
    Pedals (Minty Fresh) 
    30.Michel Polnareff-Fame A La Mode
    Michel Polnareff (Atlantic)
    31.Turn On-Eletrocation Of Fire Ants
    Turn On (Duophonic)
    32.Faye Wong-Love For Strangers Only
    Love For Strangers Only (EMI-Hong Kong)
    33.Marvin Gaye-When Did You Stop Loving Me, When Did I Stop Loving You
    Hear, My Dear (Motown)
    34.Handsome Boy Modeling School-The Truth
    So...How's Your Girl? (Tommy Boy)
    35.Seksu Roba-Velvet Star
    Seksu Roba (Softcore)
    36.The Golden Orchestra And Chorus-Pluto
    The Space Alphabet (Golden)
    37.Brendan Perry-Saturday's Child
    Eye On The Hunter (4AD)
    38.Takako Minekawa-Slow Flow Mole
    Athletica (Polystar-Japan)
    39.Bertrand Burgalat-Anjou 4-02
    Quadrille Soundtrack (Tricatel-France)
    40.Scott Walker-Only Myself To Blame
    The World Is Not Enough Soundtrack (Radioactive)
    41.Katerine (with Kahimi Karie) Jamais Je Ne Tai Dit
    Les Creatures (Rosebud-France)
    42.Jack Webb-You're My Girl
    You're My Girl (WB)
    43.The Gentle People-Parfum
    Simply Faboo (Rephlex)
    See It In Sound (7n/BMG)
    45.John Andrew Tartaglia-Goodnight 
    The Tartaglian Theorem (Capitol)
    46.Paul Williams-Morning I'll Be Moving On
    Someday Man (Reprise)
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