__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0355 December 13, 1999 __________________________________________________________ Hitsville, U.S.A.Subject: Spectropop newsletter questions Received: 12/12/99 11:32 pm From: Spxxxxxm.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hello Rob Wicker, If you get a chance to look at the Christmas Album cover with P. Spector on the cover dressed as Santa look at his hand. He is actually wearing an Ace bandage from an auto accident he was in. and his "S" Ring was actually pressed to the point that the Doctors had to cut the ring off sometime after the picture was taken. I do believe that he had it restored or remade and still wears it. I hope this counts the kind of interesting info you were looking for even though it might be on a later album than you were asking about. G. Spector --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: christmas Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: Joey Stec, Jxxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com THE BEST TOO ALL*** MY WEIRD FRIENDS *** I** HOPE YOU ALL FIND** WHAT EVER IT IS***** YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT THOUSAND******************** YEARS....AND******** REMEMBER JOEY STEC LOVES************** YOU************************** MERRY CHRISTMAS BABY --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Jimmy Webb's solo albums Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: Harvey Williamxxxxxnetuk.com To: spectropop, spectxxxxxities.com Hi there. Tobias was asking about the titles & quality of Jimmy's solo LPs. Here's the info (subjective version). Fistly a warning; these LPs are '70s singer-songwriter' LPs. They do not have that 5D/Glen C. sound. That said, there's plenty of great songs to discover in here.... Ignoring the 1968 LP for Epic, entitled 'Jim (sic) Webb Sings Jim Webb', which was a collection of his demos tarted up behind his back & released without his permission, his first LP proper, 'Words & Music' was released in 1971, on Reprise. Weird but patchy, it includes the fabulous 'PF Sloan', and the charming 'Three Songs', amidst much music biz bitterness. It benefits (or suffers, depending on your point of view) from a very - ahem- 'low-key' & intimate production technique, as do the next two. The follow up, 'And so; On', also from 1971, was equally patchy, but features the sublime 'Met Her on a Plane' and 'One Lady', as well as the definitive version of 'If Ships Were Meant to Sail'. Much of the material for this LP seems to have been destined for some themed concept work, perhaps even a musical. His 1972 LP 'Letters', however, is a stone classic. Not a duff tune in sight, it includes a dark solo re-reading of Galveston and...so much more. Buy this record!! You will not be disappointed. 'Land's End' from 1975 has a more produced sound, removing some of the intimacy of the previous 3 LPs, and yet is my least favourite up to this date. The sense of artistry has rather disappeared by this stage, and the best songs are the most casual (Lady Fits Her Blue Jeans, fergawdsake!!). Crying In My Sleep is on here, but it's not as awesome as Artie's version (on Watermark). His 1977 LP 'El Mirage' was produced & arranged by Geo. Martin, so that warm, homespun production technique is, as you might expect, nowhere to be heard. Tho' you do get to hear the sound of Jimmy's glider landing on (I think) 'If You See Me Getting Smaller, I'm Leaving', undoubtedly the best song title ever. Also includes 'The Highwayman' and the oft overlooked classic 'Christian, No'. (Christian, of course, being Webb's son & one half of hot indie combo The Webb Brothers). 'Angel Heart' from 1982 really is best avoided, its one redeeming feature being the inclusion of 'Scissors Cut', but again, Artie's version tops it. Finally, 'Suspending Disbelief' from 1993 has some great songs (Adios, It Won't Bring Her Back) but is let down by What Does A Woman See In A Man, possibly his worst ever song. Many of the best songs from his first 5 LPs were collected in 1993 on a comp. entitled 'Archive'. Very well compiled & annotated, it should still be on catalogue somewhere in the world. None of the Lps are currently available on CD, as far as I'm aware, and I don't think any of them sold too well at the time, but they shouldn't be too difficult to find. BTW, if anyone out there has ever come across his publishers demo LP, I'd be very interested in hearing from them.... Best, Harvey Williams. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: More Victoriana to amuse...or not Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: Kingsley Abbott, kinxxxxxa.freeserve.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com The recent postings about the lovely Liberty Victorians reminded me of a different record by another bunch of Victorians. On Reprise 0434 you will find "Baby Toys"/ "I saw My Girl". Both sides are marked as Produced by Nick Massi Productions Inc. and I'm pretty sure date from just after Nick left The Four Seasons. "Baby Toys" is a perfect 65/6 Philips Seasons sound, and I guess was Nick Massi's stab at maintaining some similar momentum with a great soundalike. He also wrote the B side. On another tack, Spectropoppers may well care to check out the new Kit Kats double CD on Jamie Guyden. Some great harmony pop sounds. A bit like a more restrained Lou Christie meets The Association in parts. The second CD has a video clip of the band live. A great addition to a 'from the vaults' compilation, for other companies to follow. You can get the CD online from their website www.jamguy.com As I send all fellow Poppers seasonal greetings, I'm just finishing up Ripples Vol 5 & 6 "Folk/Rock" & "Beach Bash". Choosing summer songs in December is total Anders/Poncia land! What a funny world! Kingsley Abbott --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Neil Young and other topics Received: 12/12/99 11:32 pm From: Dave Mirich, Dmxxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com I was recently listening some CDs getting ready for the CSNY concert. The old Buffalo Springfield stuff is wonderful. I don't know why noone mentioned it during the thread on '60s psyche-rock. And pulled out my old favorite , Everybody knows this is Nowhere and read the liner notes at a stoplight. I never realized his first 2 LPs were recorded before CSNY, before 1969. Also, although Dr. Sardonicus was 1970 (I think) the Spirit album is still incredible. Does this bring any others to mind? Other random thoughts: Did anybody get to hear a Boulder-based group back then, Zephyr? Very good stuff w/ a young Tommy Bolin. How about a modern Spanish band, Los Esclaricidos? Their music is outstanding. I keep going back to 2 collections in particular of the most wonderful, polished examples of 60s music and become ever more impressed: The Sunrays, and Yellow Balloon. Thanks for the recommendations here for The Critters, and Smoke. David Mirich --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Phil & Tina Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: Ian Chapman, iaxxxxx.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Last week in the UK, we had a TV showing of a Tina Turner special, which was basically Tina live in concert in London on her 60th birthday, interspersed with interview segments with Tina, plus contributions and tributes from other artists. Lots of retrospective clips, and of course, special mention of "River Deep Mountain High". Don't know if it's yet been aired in the States, but for anyone who missed it, here's how the Spector bit went:- First, ex-Ikette P.P. Arnold commented thus: "Phil Spector wanted to record Tina - Ike allowed it to happen as long as he produced half of the album and Phil produced the other half - and that was a great time for Tina." Cher then appeared, saying "I remember when Philip was playing it and how excited he was." Then Tina herself: " He was so much behind that project; something he strongly, strongly believed in. I gotta tell you, it was 75 backing vocals, it was a choir, it was people - the room was full of singers. I just wouldn't have said no at that time to singing with Phil Spector because he was the top, top producer at the time." Then Philip himself appears, (familiar shades, hair longish and curly) and continues: "At the time I was working with what I felt were the best songwriters in the world, and we were writing together - I was recording with the best musicians in the world, they were recording with me and I needed someone at that point in time to elevate everything, more the way I heard it. She added an energy, and a beauty, and a tone and a quality to the recordings that I felt I needed, and knowing how good she was made it a lot easier to write "River Deep Mountain High" and to record it. She was just that good." Here, P.P. Arnold continued with the familiar story about the record being too white for black radio stations and too black for the white stations. Then Philip again: "I was disappointed that the record did not become successful in America because I felt I'd let Tina down". Tina: "I'm happy that the song is a classic for me and for Phil Spector because it was such a loss for him, for it not to have caught fire, so to speak - but it lasted, which I think is better sometimes - it goes on." Near the end of the show, many of the celebs sign off with a birthday message to Tina. This was Phil's; "I love you - happy birthday - and if you wanna make some historic records, just call me." Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: "Fire" Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: Poopdeck Pappy, wuxxxxxet.se To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com JLP wrote: >I think thirty-some years after the fact it is fairly safe >to say that Brian was intent on evoking moods, much as a >composer for a film score might, e.g., evoking fear or >discomfort from a fire. Excellent point, Jamie. I don't want to play Brian down - because Fire truly is one of the few completely unique recordings by a pop group ever - but when was, for example, Bernard Hermann's "Psycho" score released? 1959? The one thing I hate about all the "Smile" myths is that "Fire" is always said to represent Brian's final breakdown, or a major sign of his increasing mental illness. That's all NONSENSE in my (and hopefully, everbody else's) opinion. For one thing, Brian can be heard on the "Fire" sessions being as sane and completely in control as he was when he cut "Dance Dance Dance" or "California Girls". Insinuating that you have to be insane or on drugs to come up with imaginative music like "Fire" is an enormous insult, both to Brian's natural talents and to people who actually are mentally ill. "Fire" is a damn good example of a songwriter brilliantly carrying through a thought from the initial idea in his head/at the piano to the finished version in the studio. Not many people got the talent to tell professional musicians "Today we will cut a song imitating a fire", and get them to actually perform a song that not only imitates a fire but also evokes feelings of panic and fear in the listener! It takes REAL TALENT to actually SCARE the listeners with music [not the same as just making a loud noise that turns people off; I'm talking about music which triggers off our primary instincts and forces the body to pump adrenalin out in the blood veins; in the same way as Thonk felt when he heard a twig break in the woods 40,000 years ago, frightened a big animal would jump out in front of him], or move them emotionally in any other positive or negative way, for that matter (professional comedians could probably attest to how hard it is to make people laugh). I'm positive that Brian still can do it again and again today, tomorrow and for the rest of his life - talent like that will never disappear, though self-confidence certainly can... >What makes it so eerie? The bass line. ...and the atonal flutes over the chromatic strings don't exactly sound like Perry Como...what are the two chords in "Fire"? I can't for the world make them out... >n.p. "Hicksville" (SOT17 disc one) Actually, it's "Hitsville". Tobias --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: "Fire" Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: WASE RADIO,xxxxxt.org To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Thanks for the posts about the "Fire" sessions. I have read so many accounts about this song. I need to find the books that I have on the Beach Boys, and leave posts on what they said. I have the Brian Wilson autography "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and I was truly astounded at how his life was. Growing up with an abusive father, and how much pressure all the fame has brought to him. In one point he mentioned that the song "Fire" was suppose to symbolize all the inner turmoil he felt inside. The way the autobiography words it, Being the chief Beach Boy was not all fun, fun, fun. But anyway Brian Wilson has written some of the greatest songs of all time. Fun songs like "Dance Dance Dance", and "Surfin' USA" and really complex songs like "Good Vibrations", and "Heroes and Villains". Brad: I said in my last post that "Fire" made for uncomfortable listening. That was only from hearing about 20 seconds of it on a Beach Boys special. Maybe if I heard the entire track, I may have a different perspective. Thanks for the tip. Now if I can find that CD. Thanks again Carol and the other 349 musicians who worked the LA music scene for all the great music. You all are the greatest. Good Luck Carol on getting that special grammy. Michael G. Marvin WASE radio --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Spector`s sessions Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: john rausch,xxxxx.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com For Carol Kaye: I was just re-reading the Richard Williams book (Out Of His head...The Sound Of Phil Spector) and there is a passage that caught my eye. Talking about Hal Blaine, he then goes on to say ...(He was later replaced by Earl Palmer, whom Phil liked even more because "he had better time." Ultimately, Ritchie Frost was brought into play a second kit alongside Palmer.) We all know Hal and Earl but who is Ritchie Frost? And is this true according to your recollection? On another note I would also like to know the following questions that have been bugging me for a long time: Jack Nitzsche as arranger- What does an arranger actually do? Larry Levine as engineer- What is an engineer`s actual job? I hope these questions are not too mundane but I would really like to know. Thanks, John Rausch Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sound at http://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: The Cake Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: Lindsay Martin, lindsay_mxxxxxsnet.com.au To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hi, I once had a tape recording, taken from a radio show in the late 70s, of a female group called The Cake doing a song called (I think) "Baby That's You". (Not "Baby ITS You"!) I think the announcer said it had been recorded at Goldstar Studios. It sounded like something in the Spector /girl group/Red Bird/Brill style, but I don't know whether it was original 60s or some later revival. I've been unable to find any trace of the group or this (wonderful) song on the Internet. Does anyone here know anything about them? Cheers, Lindsay --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Capitalism vs. Spectropop! Received: 12/12/99 11:33 pm From: Michael White, haxxxxxrlog.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hi everybody! I understand that commercial posts aren't generally encouraged here, but I figure that the following items - all of which I plan to purge - should be of interest to some of you fellow Spectropoppers. Please e-mail me personally at haxxxxxrlog.com if you'd like to bid on any of the following items. I'll be accepting offers for the next week (until Dec. 14). All items are in absolute mint condition. Best, Mike White Vancouver, BC The Beach Boys "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times (stereo mix)/ Wouldn't It Be Nice (vocals only)/ Here Today (stereo backing track) (Sub Pop 7") *two copies* The Strawberry Alarm Clock "Incense And Peppermints" (Universal Japan CD) "Wake Up...It's Tomorrow" (Universal Japan CD) "The World In A Shell" (Universal Japan CD) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Liquid Room Playlist Received: 12/12/99 11:32 pm From: Ponak, David, david.xxxxxcom To: Spectropop, spectxxxxxities.com The Liquid Room airs every Saturday Morning (Friday night) from 3-6 on 90.7 FM KPFK. (98.7 in Santa Barbara County). Also check out my show The Nice Age at http://www.spikeradio.com Monday and Wednesday evenings from 8-10, PST. The Liquid Room 12/4/99: 1.The Comittee-California My Way Happy Together: The Best Of White Whale Records (Varese Sarabande) 2.Springs-The Way To Another Side Picnic (Universal-Japan) 3.Jack Jones-Light My Fire Where Is Love (RCA) 4.Stereolab-The Super It The Stereolab Underground Is Coming (Tour only 7"-Duophonic) 5.Pizzicato Five-Serial Stories Pizzicato Five (BRAND NEW ALBUM!) (Heatwave-Japan) 6.Paul Williams-Someday Man Someday Man (Reprise) 7.Teenage Fanclub-Kickabout Ain't That Enough (single b-side) (Creation-UK) 8.Lalo Schifrin-Vaccinated Mushrooms There's A Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On (Dot) 9.The Divine Comedy-Vapour Trail (Ride cover version) The Pop Singer's Fear Of The Pollen Count (single b-side) (Setanta-UK) 10.The Kitchen Cinq-You'll Be Sorry Some Day The Kitchen Cinq (LHI) 11.The Mark Wirtz Orchestra And Chorus-If Illusion Met Fantasy The Go Go Music Of... (Sequel-UK) 12.Space Ponch-Tengs Of Thugs The World Shopping With Space Ponch (Transonic/Flavour-Japan) 13.Yuji Oniki-Amnesiascape Orange (1 Plus 1) 14.Yellow Magic Orchestra-Rydeen Solid State Survivors (Restless) 15.Hugo Montenegro-Theme For Thee Greatest Themes And Schemes (BMG) 16.Fun Lovin' Criminals-Crazy Train (Ozzy cover version!) Mimosa (Chrysalis-UK) 17.Aimee Mann-Driving Sideways Magnolia (Soundtrack) (WB) 18.The Beach Boys-Wonderful/Water Smile (Sea Of Tunes) 19.Dubstar-Cathedral Park Goodbye (Food-UK) 20.The Cyrkle-Don't Cry No Fears No Tears Coming Your Way Neon (Sony) 21.Flipper's Guitar (Cornelius)-Coffee Milk Crazy Three Cheers For Our Side (Polystar-Japan) 22.Our Hour-Anarchy In The UK Not Dead (LD&K-Japan) 23.The Aluminum Group-A Blur In Your Vision Pedals (Minty Fresh) (LIVE AT SPACELAND-LOS ANGELES- 12/16/99) 24.The Remo Four-In The First Place (Produced by George Harrison during the Wonderwall sessions) Single (Pilar-UK) 25.Squarepusher-Tommorrow World Selection Sixteen (Warp/Nothing) 26.Bhen Lanzaroni-Easy (Produced and written by Bob Crewe/Charles Fox) In Classic From (Dynovoice) 27.Brendan Perry-Saturday's Child Eye On The Hunter (4AD) 28.Bee Gees-Odessa (City On The Black Sea) Odessa (Polydor) 29.Faye Wong-Postman Love For Strangers Only (EMI-Hong Kong) 30.Watermelon-The Gate Of Japonesia Cool Music (Alpha-Japan) 31.Dodgy-Good Enough Free Peace Sweet (A&M-UK) 32.The Free Design-The Symbols Ring Umbrellas (Siesta-Spain) 33.Michel Legrand-Souvenirs Windmills Of Your Mind (United Artists) 34.Pizzicato Five-Roma Pizzicato Five (Heatwave-Japan) 35.Combustible Edison-Bluebeard (F.P.M. Old Fashioned Mix) Bluebeard (single) (Bungalow-Germany) 36.Eartha Kitt-I Want To Be Evil Purr-fect: The Best Of.. (7n) 37.Bertand Burgalat-Dans L'avion Quadrille (Soundtrack) (Tricatel-France) 38.Beck-Debra Midnight Vultures (DGC) 39.R. Dean Taylor-Gotta See Jane I Think Therefore I Am (Rare Earth) 40.The 98% American Mom & Apple Pie 1929 Crash Band-Summer Wine The 98% American Mom & Apple Pie 1929 Crash Band (LHI) (Thank You Anthony!) 41.The Shacklefords-A Stranger In Your Town Single (Mercury) 42.Scritti Politti-Mystic Handyman Anomie & Bonhomie (Virgin) 43.Reparta & The Delrons-Bye Bye Baby Whenever A Teenager Cries (World Artists) 44.Jean Jacques Perry-the Little Girl From Mars The Amazing New Electronic Pop Sound Of Jean Jacques Perry (Vanguard) 45. Death In Vegas-Neptune City The Contino Sessions (Time Bomb) 46.Chappie-Seta No Yoru, Kimi Ni.... New Chappie (Sony-Japan) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- END
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