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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 12/02/99

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       Volume #0352                        December 2, 1999   
                        Visual Sound Stereo                   
    Subject:     Delrons / Victorians / Celia Paul
    Received:    12/02/99 1:23 am
    From:        Jimmy Cresitelli, Jimxxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Thanks to all who wrote mentioning the fabulous Delrons! I
    am in the process of making copies of some of the ephemera 
    I have regarding the group, for anyone who is interested: 
    the yearbook photos, a fanzine article I did years ago but
    never submitted, etc. Fun stuff. Write and let me know. 
    Have since discovered in my archives yearbook pictures of 
    other Delrons: Nanette Licari, Regina Gallagher, Ann 
    Fitzgerald... they were all senior graduates at St. 
    Brendan's High School back in 1964.
    Any information on the Victorians, who recorded for (I 
    believe) RCA Victor back in (probably) late 1963-early 
    1964? They have some GREAT cuts, all fabulous Spector 
    sound-alikes (very much like Bob B. Soxx and the Blue 
    Jeans in style). "Oh What A Night For Love" shimmers and 
    rumbles and cascades... "You're Invited to A Party" is 
    very much like a late Crystals cut, and "What Makes Little
    Girls Cry" makes one wonder if the Victorians actually ARE 
    Bobby Sheen and the Blossoms... any clues? Pictures? 
    Back a few posts I talked about having some very 
    Spectorian cuts by a Japanese girl singer. I believe she 
    recorded in 1964-65, maybe later... I found some clues in 
    my archives, that the 4 songs I have were recorded by a 
    girl named Celia Paul "for the Ohtaki LP." I also recall 
    hearing (years ago) that her husband actually produced her
    ... Mr. Ohtaki, perhaps? Two of the songs she does in 
    English are "Cha Cha Cha Charming" and "Tonight You Belong
    To Me." The two in Japanese that I have, though, are 
    fabulous... I wish I could tell you the names. One employs
    a Spectorian thunder-and-rainstorm beginning... the other 
    has a spoken break, and Celia (I assume) is saying 
    something in Japanese, obviously heartbroken, because her 
    voice gets caught on tears on th elast few words... even 
    though it's in japanese, it rips your heart out! They're 
    really, really good... beautifully and professionally 
    produced. Any info, anyone? Hope you all had a great 
    Thanksgiving, and continue merrily enjoying the Holidays. 
    Happy Hannukak December 4th. : ) 
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    Subject:     Flames
    Received:    11/29/99 1:22 pm
    From:        Ian Chippett, IChixxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Billy G. Spradlin wrote:
    > I recall a funny story in some rock history book by 
    > Frankie Valli (...or it could have been Bob Gaudio) when 
    > the group was recording "Big Girls Don't Cry" at Stea 
    > Phillips, the building next door to the studio was on fire
    > and Firemen or the Police were trying to get the group and 
    > studio musicians to stop recording the song and leave. Bob
    > Crewe believed this song was a such a smash (or didn't want
    > to book more studio time!) they kept right on recording the
    > song while fire trucks were battling the blaze and smoke 
    > was starting to come through the studio's ventilation 
    > system. I have listened to "Big Girls" many times on CD 
    > and never was able to hear any sirens or extra noises so I
    > guess the studio had excellent soundproofing. Needless to 
    > say they cut a very "hot" record!
    I wonder what Brian Wilson would have done... 8-)
    Ian Chippett
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    Subject:     Mixing labels
    Received:    11/29/99 1:21 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Will wrote...
    > would all labels ever 
    > allow their cuts to be put on one master collection? Is 
    > there any hositility between labels? For example, is UA 
    > wanted to put their Crystals tracks on a comp with some 
    > Spector tracks, Phil and company would never let it happen. 
    > Is this the exception or the rule? Ian, you've done 
    > comps, what is it like?
    Depends who owns the rights to the tracks, Will. Sometimes
    it's a company, sometimes they belong to an individual, 
    such as a producer. And just because a track once appeared
    on a particular label doesn't necessarily mean it is still 
    associated with that label. In the UK, "mixing" of tracks 
    on comps does happen sometimes if the reissue company is 
    prepared to pay to license tracks that it doesn't hold the
    rights to. They occasionally do this if they want to do a 
    complete anthology of an artist, and the cost of licensing
    isn't too high. But mostly, I've found the reissue 
    companies to be reluctant to do this - it's obviously more
    economical for them (especially the smaller ones) just to 
    stick with the catalogues that they have the rights to.
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    Subject:     Re: Four Seasons
    Received:    11/29/99 1:21 pm
    From:        WASE RADIO,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi Billy:
    The only thing I have on the Four Seasons is the 3 cd set,
    originally released in 1987. This covers their entire 
    career as well as the Frankie Valli solo stuff. Years ago 
    I use to have the "Edizione D'Oro" two album set. A couple
    of interesting curios. It had the rare stereo version of "
    Rag Doll", a rare stereo version of "Let's Hang On" (minus
    the slow verse at the beginning. But the big minus is "Will
    You Still Love Me Tomorrow?" which sounds like someone 
    stuffed towels in my speakers. In other words it sounded 
    horrible-absolutely no highs. I used to have the two album
    set on Private Stock called "The Four Seasons Story". The 
    stereo versions of the early hits such as "Sherry" and "
    Big Girls Don't Cry" sounds tighter-with the rhythm 
    section in the center with the lead vocal, and the 
    background vocals on the right. Both those sets miss the 
    Frankie Valli solo hits.
                                      Michael G. Marvin
                                        WASE radio
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    Subject:     Phil Spector
    Received:    11/29/99 1:22 pm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >Lucky you. Do you recall what sessions those were? Did Phil
    >personally take you down to Gold Star so that you could
    >watch him work?
    Yes. He brought my brothers and I down when he was 
    recording the Ramones "End of the Century" album. My 
    brothers slept on a couch in the front while I was wide 
    awake and very interested in watching him work during the 
    very late hours. We even went out for pizza with Joey 
    Ramone after one session. I think he was the only one 
    being recorded that day. 
    >"Father"? "The other twin?" Are you Gary???? :)
    >Very interesting post, SPECTRE! I can corroborate your
    >comment about his being generous to close friends. Rodney
    >Bingenheimer once told me how helpful Phil had been to him
    >when Rodney needed some medical work done, and I believe
    >Phil helped Humble Harv out of some trouble too. I quite
    >liked the Ribowsky book, but when reading these rock
    >history books, one has to remember that not everything
    >can be taken as undisputed fact.
    I assume Rodney is from "Rodney on the Roq" in Los Angeles. 
    If so, I met him a couple of times. He always reminded 
    me of a rooster with his hair done the way he did. Nice 
    guy. I was not aware of the help that was given to him. I 
    have heard that Phil was helping Lenny Bruce out quit a 
    bit. Most of what he does that I am aware of is his 
    anonymous donations to charities. He has even helped me 
    with the rent a couple of times when I really needed it.
    >Rumor has it that Phil is back in the studio working
    >with a teenage diva for Ahmet Ertegun. Know anything about
    Sorry. I do not know. I was informed that he is going back
    into the studio but with whom, I do not know. The last 
    person that I was aware of him working with was Celine 
    Dion through SONY. Sorry to say but SONY did not like the 
    time schedule he was keeping and ended the sessions. 
    G. Spector
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    Subject:     Real studio musicians
    Received:    11/29/99 1:22 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >He's some kind of genius.  Once he showed me the guitar part he
    >wanted--it was so simple I was insulted. It sounded
    >horrible! I stopped between takes and said  'Van Dyke!
    >What *is* this shit??!!' He said 'trust me.'
    Tobias, this kind of language totally gives this fellow 
    away as a fraud. NO real studio musicians ever talk this 
    way! That's low-class, totally UN-PROFESSIONAL! I'd be 
    suspicious of anything someone like that said.
    I had heard from Hal Blaine about how Phil ran into some 
    New York studio musicians who evidently didn't appreciate 
    how Phil conducted his dates, and were pretty disdainful 
    of Phil, his youth, his ideas etc. but nothing like this. 
    This guy is a fraud, I'd be careful of him or anything he 
    I liked working for Van Dyke, tho't he was a nice chap. 
    This guitar-player fellow who told you that is NOT a 
    competent musician, and certainly NO professional studio 
    musician. You have to chuckle over his apparent arrogance, 
    that's really a stupid trait.
    And yes, I saw a little cocaine use by a few of the studio
    musicians in the studios in the 70s (one reason why I was 
    more than happy to work the more staid movie and TV film 
    calls), but it still was not out in the open that much....
    except with one producer who I'll not name here. He even 
    talks about it on the radio....much like boozers used to 
    brag about "tying one one" etc.
    A few of my bunch of 350 or so studio musicians even got 
    into it, but not very much....from what I can tell....the 
    bulk of our studio musician bunch did not and wouldn't.  
    Best, Carol Kaye
    PS.  Thanks John and William, for your nice words.
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    Subject:     She`s Still Our Baby
    Received:    12/02/99 1:23 am
    From:        john rausch,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    The new 12/17 issue of  Goldmine is out with a cover story 
    on Ronnie Spector. Great front cover shot and very nice article.
    John Rausch
    Presenting The Fabulous Ronettes featuring Ronnie Spector at
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    Subject:     The Liquid Room 11/27/99
    Received:    12/02/99 1:23 am
    From:        Ponak, David, david.xxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop,
    The Liquid Room airs every Saturday Morning (Friday night)
    from 3-6 on 90.7 FM KPFK. (98.7 in Santa Barbara County).
    Also check out my show The Nice Age at http:// Monday and Wednesday evenings from 
    8-10, PST. 
    The Liquid Room 11/27/99:
    1.The Comittee-California My Way
    Happy Together: The Best Of White Whale Records (Varese Sarabande)
    2.Arling & Cameron-Shiva's Daughter
    Music For Imaginary Films (Emperor Norton)
    See It In Sound (7n/BMG)
    4.Faye Wong-Love For Strangers Only
    Love For Strangers Only (EMI Hong Kong)
    5.Space Ponch-Batanga Cha Cha Cha
    The World Shopping With Space Ponch (Transonic/Flavour-Japan)
    This is my new favorite. Wonderful retro moogy pop music!
    6.Martin Denny-Tokyo Melody
    Exotica 90 (Inside Out-Japan)
    7.Apollo Four Forty-The Perfect Crime
    Gettin' High On Your Own Supply (Sony-UK)
    8.Frank Sinatra-Night And Day (funky blacksploitation version)
    A Swingin' Night At The Sabre Room (w/Dino too) (MAC)
    9.Handsome Boy Modeling School-Metaphysical (Feat. Miho Hatori of Cibo 
    & Mike D. of the Beastie Boys)
    So...How's Your Girl (Tommy Boy)
    10.Piero Umiliani-Fotomodelle
    Svezia Inferno E Paradiso (Right Tempo-Italy)
    11.The Fur Ones-French Bread
    Odd Numbers (Bobsled)
    12.Reparta & The Delrons-Weather Forcast
    Whenever A Teenager Cries 
    13.Nancy Sinatra-You Only Live Twice (Single Version)
    You Go-Go Girl (Varese Sarabande)
    14.Momus-Walter Carlos
    The Little Red Songbook (Le Grand Magistery)
    15.Wendy Carlos-Handel: Water Music
    Switched On Boxed Set (East Side Digital)
    16.The Happenings-Randy
    The Best Of... (BT Puppy/Sequel-UK)
    17.The Gentle People-Underwater
    Simply Faboo (Rephlex)
    18.Michel Polnareff-Music De Rabelais
    Les Premiere Annes (3 disc box set) (Universal-France)
    19.The Mailibooz-Crest, Then Fallen
    Living Water (The Surfer's Mass) (The Pier Group)
    20.Bruce & Terry-Come Love
    The Best Of... (Sundazed)
    21.Saint Etienne-La Poupee Quit Fait Non
    A Tribute To Polnareff (XIII Bis)
    22.Merle Haggard-If We Make It Through December
    Anthology (Razor & Tie)
    23.High Llamas-Amin
    Snowbug (V2)
    24.Rupert Holmes-The People That You Never Get To Love
    Partners In Crime (MCA)
    25.Mercury Rev-Endlessly
    Deserter's Songs (V2)
    26.The Divine Comedy-The Certainty Of Chance
    A Secret History (Setanta)
    27.Jack Jones-What Are You Doing For The Rest Of Your Life?
    Jack Jones Sings Michel Legrand (RCA/Laserlight)
    28.Prince-I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore
    Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (NPG/Arista)
    29.The Shirelles-It's Love That Really Counts (In The Long Run)
    25 All Time Greatest Hits (Varese Sarabande)
    30.The Ronettes-I Can Hear Music
    Phil Spector Wall Of Sound Vol. 4 (PS International)
    31.The Peppermint Trolley Co.-Trust
    The Peppermint Trolley Co. (ACTA)
    32.Chad & Jeremy-The Ark
    The Ark (Columbia)
    33.Le Tone-Joli Dragon
    Le Petit Nabab (Creation-UK)
    34.Ananda Shankar-Metamorphis
    Ananda Shankar (Reprise)
    35.Walker Brothers-Deadlier Than The Male
    The Mad Mad World Of Soundtracks (Motor-Germany)
    36.Scott Walker-Only Myself To Blame
    The World Is Not Enough (Soundtrack) (Radioactive)
    37.Fun Lovin' Criminals-Up On The Hill
    100% Columbian (Virgin)
    38.Bossa Rio-Up Up And Way
    Bossa Rio (A&M)
    39.Beck-Get Real Paid
    Midnight Vultures (DGC)
    40.Sonny Bono-Cheryl's Goin' Home
    Inner Views (Rhino Handmade)
    41.Sissy Bar-Sour
    Songs For Peeps (Mootron)
    42.Honey Ltd.-I've Got Your Man
    Honey Ltd. (LHI)
    43.Kahimi Karie-Kahimi Karie Et Moi
    K.K.K.K. (Le Grand Magistery)
    44.Chisato Moritaka-Miracle Light
    single (One Up-Japan)
    45.Space Ponch-Tati Suite
    The World Shopping With Space Ponch (Transonic/Flavour-Japan)
    46.The Hang Ups-Parkway
    Second Story (Restless)
    47.Paul Williams-Morning I'll Be Movin' On
    Someday Man (Reprise)
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