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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 11/15/99

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       Volume #0345                       November 15, 1999   
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       Enjoy the complete musical definition of instruments   
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Subject:     "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" (Things Are Changing)
    Received:    11/15/99 1:38 am
    From:        Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    
    Mark, thanks so much for sending this tape to me. 
    Eventually I'll buy some of those Spector recordings to 
    check them out myself, just been busy with my 27th tutor 
    coming out soon, and our "Thumbs Up" CD just released 
    (Jazz Trio: Ray Pizzi, Mitch Holder & myself), plus am 
    going to sit in with Brian at has New Times Life 
    Achievement Awards big event soon too, will be a fun.
    
    About this recording which I put right on and checked back
    and forth quite a few times. That's definitely Hal Blaine 
    on drums (last 2 quarter notes of a quarter-note triplet 
    as a pickup, his trademark), plus some rushing here and 
    there....he was fairly new on those multi-tomtoms and the 
    Phil's echo sure didn't help with trying to keep the time 
    together.
    
    The riff you hear is myself playing that on guitar....not 
    sure if it was written or not, kind of a typical Jack 
    Nitzsche riff, so probably was. Am playing it on my 
    Epiphone acoustic guitar (it is non-elec. on that record 
    but I did have a pickup attached to it) and then the bass 
    (Ray Pohlman) joins me later on that - Pohlman is sort of 
    "buried" a little in the track, but you hear him from time
    to time. 
    
    The distinctive riff you here is myself playing that on 
    guitar...Phil absolutely wouldn't work without that guitar, 
    he loved it so, and it's acoustic here. It was typical 
    of the styles of records there for awhile, with one guitar
    doubling the bassline, playing the same part but here it's 
    alone for quite awhile before the bass comes in.
    
    The count-off (I believe) is counted off by Steve Douglas 
    (could be Jack but I sort of doubt it, he really never was
    the "count-off" man), am pretty sure of that and it sure 
    sounds like him. But.....it could be one of the 
    percussionists too: Alan Estes sounded like that, but 
    probably is Steve.
    
    Usually the drummer counts off the count-off but Steve 
    sometimes did that. That's not Hal Blaine's voice. And the
    voice from the booth, I don't think that Phil's voice, 
    think it's Larry Levine stopping the take. 
    
    As I recall (could be wrong, it's been so many years since
    I heard his voice), Phil had kind of a small squeaky-type 
    voice (not putting him down, just a description here) and 
    it sounds more like Larry.
    
    With it rushing like that in spots, no wonder I forgot 
    this side....wasn't one of the more-memorable recordings 
    in my opinion. But it did have some "almost-good" moments.
    Hope this helps there.
    
    Again, thanks for sending it to me, brings back some 
    memories as I hear all of us playing together. 
    
    Best, 
    Carol Kaye 
    http://www.carolkaye.com/
    
    
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    Subject:     RE: things are changin
    Received:    11/13/99 12:32 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr, mxxxxxbbs.com
    To:          Spectropop List, Spectxxxxxities.com
    
    The "Right Reverend" Bob Hanes wrote:
    
    
    > The Ronettes story about Bri writing a song is with
    > reference to "Don't Worry Baby", written for Ronnie, and
    > when Bri wouldn't share writer's credits Phil wouldn't let
    > Ronnie record it.
    >
    Seems that I remember that it was RONNIE who always wanted
    to record that song, and she has said so even quite 
    recently. But, Brian did write
    
    DHMLS for the Ronettes. This has been accepted as fact for
    many years, and was even mentioned in the 1991 Fitzpatrick/
    Fogerty book "Collecting Phil Spector." Whether Ronnie 
    remembers this or not is another story...
    
    I am thinking that Phil probably didn't even approach them
    (the Ronettes) to do it and had decided that he was going 
    to give it to Darlene (and possibly never release it, as 
    Phil was prone to do with DL). Of course, not getting even
    partial writing credits would turn Phil off a project. 
    Unless we can interview him about it, we may never know 
    for sure (and, even then, we may not get the true story!!)
    
    Rev Bob continues...
    
    > After the session Phil
    > demanded partial writer's credits for his "wall of sound"
    > production. Brian refused, claiming Phil had only followed
    > his original production ideas. Phil wiped the vocal track
    > and months later recorded the PSA with Darlene Love and
    > the Blossoms using the melody from DHMLS.
    >
    As for the EEOC gig, Phil had nothing to do with it except
    provide the backing track (the aborted DHMLS session). The 
    Blossoms vocal additions were produced by Jerry Riopelle.
    
    Not wishing to start any controversy, I think, however, 
    that, if you have heard the EEOC spots by the Supremes and
    by the Blossoms, it should be obvious that Darlene blew the
    doors off Diana on this one. But that's my definitive, and 
    very subjective, opinion...
    
    
    Mark
    Phil Spector Label Gallery
    
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: The Match and the Murmaids...
    Received:    11/13/99 12:32 am
    From:        Keith D'Arcy, kxxxxxusicpub.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Hey Mike and all interested in the Match,
    
    The Murmaids single on Liberty has "Paper Sun" by Steve 
    Winwood as the A-Side and "Song Through Perception" by 
    Michael Lloyd on the B-Side. Both are pretty great, 
    although I think "Paper Sun" is probably the better of the
    two. Is that Smoke reissue from Sundazed ever going to come
    out?
    
    The Match have two non-LP singles, one with "Time" by 
    Roger Nichols and Paul Williams and the other with a truly
    fine cover of Jimmy Webb's/the Strawberry Children's "Love 
    Years Coming." Believe it or not, Jimmy Webb came to visit
    us at the EMI where I work the other day.
    
    Over,
    KD
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: Reparata
    Received:    11/13/99 12:32 am
    From:        Shelby Riggs, vinylmaxxxxxmail.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Tom,
         Reparata is a school teacher in New York City. She 
    still performs on special occassions.
    
    Shelby Riggs
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    
    
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    Subject:     Candy and the Kisses
    Received:    11/13/99 12:32 am
    From:        Stos, William, xxxxx.tyenet.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    A friend of mine is working on a girl group publication, 
    and he's seeking a photo or photos of Candy and the 
    Kisses. Anyone who has one, or can point him in the right 
    direction can email me privately. Thanks Spectropop!
    
    Will
    
    
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    Subject:     the miracle of "collector-weenie digests"
    Received:    11/13/99 12:32 am
    From:        DJ JimmyB, DJJimxxxxxcom
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    
    In a message dated 11/11/99 12:03:35 PM, you wrote:
    
    >10.The Sugar Shoppe-Take Me Away
    >The Sugar Shoppe (Capitol)
    >Tell me more about the group, please....
    
    If I may leap in here, as David & I appear to be seperated
    at birth but reunited via the miracle of "collector-weenie 
    digests", The Sugar Shoppe was a Canadian soft rock group 
    on Captiol Records circa 1968 or 69. To quote Kathy Orloff, 
    a writer for The Hollywood Reporter, "The Sugar Shoppe 
    is the biggest, hottest, bestest new quartet since the 
    Mamas and the Papas. They write much of their own material
    and possess all the best qualities of the M's & P's and 
    Harpers Bizarre, and a bit of the Fifth Dimension and 
    Spanky and Our Gang. What comes out is unbelievably great,
    and entirely their own sound."
    
    They wrote about half of the material on the LP I own 
    ("The Sugar Shoppe"), and cover tunes written by such 
    diverse folks as Donovan, Tony Hatch, Billy Rose, and 
    Bobbie Gentry. Oh, and Hal Blaine was the session drummer 
    for the record and he makes some fun of the whole up and 
    coming "groovy-speak" that hippies were injecting into the
    vernacular of the time. 
    
    Hope that helps...Jimmy Botticelli
    
    
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    Subject:     Re: Sugar Shoppe, etc.
    Received:    11/13/99 12:32 am
    From:        Stewart Mason, flaxxxxx.com
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    Tobias asks:
    
    >>10.The Sugar Shoppe-Take Me Away
    >>The Sugar Shoppe (Capitol)
    >
    >Tell me more about the group, please....
    
    They were a vocal quartet from Canada, and I believe this 
    was their only album. Lead singer was Victor Garber, later
    a big deal on Broadway -- some of you might have seen him 
    playing Daddy Warbucks on that new version of ANNIE on ABC
    a few nights ago -- and the others were Laurie Hood 
    (fabulous voice -- last I heard, she was working as a 
    receptionist in a recording studio in Toronto, and doing 
    occasional jingles and backing vocals), Peter Mann and Lee
    Harris. The album was produced by Al de Lory and features 
    playing by the usual LA folks (Hal Blaine even wrote the 
    liner notes on the album). There's four originals by Mann,
    Hood and Garber and six covers, including this Hatch-Trent 
    track and tunes by Donovan, Bobbie Gentry, and the Michael
    Leander theme from the movie PRIVILEGE, which frankly has 
    always struck me as an odd choice.
    
    People are always going on about The Free Design, but 
    frankly, I think The Sugar Shoppe have them beat.
    
    This album came out on Capitol in 1967, as did a 
    profoundly weird thing I just picked up, THE WIZARD OF OZ 
    AND OTHER TRIPS by The West Coast Workshop, a studio 
    orchestra cobbled together by Nick Venet. Classic example 
    of MOR psychedelia -- anyone have any details? 
    >
    >>26.Richard Harris-The Yard Went On Forvever 
    >>The Webb Sessions 1968-69 (Raven-Aus) 
    >Is the record available today? I'd love to get a copy of 
    >it otherwise ;-)
    
    I think THE YARD WENT ON FOREVER is one of those albums 
    best heard in its original configuration. Compilations 
    like THE WEBB SESSIONS somehow dilute the remarkable 
    strangeness of this album, which is basically Jimmy's "I 
    just got a divorce and my life sucks" collection. But of 
    course, Jimmy being Jimmy, the proceedings are 
    considerably more elliptical than that. 
    Stewart
    
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    Subject:     Richard Harris
    Received:    11/13/99 12:32 am
    From:        Ponak, David, david.xxxxxcom
    To:          'Spectropop', spectxxxxxities.com
    
    
    Tobias wrote:
    
    >10.The Sugar Shoppe-Take Me Away
    >The Sugar Shoppe (Capitol)
    
    Tell me more about the group, please....
    
    This is a really amazing late 60's soft rock record. The 
    group consists of 2 girls/two guys. Lush harmonies and 
    backing tracks. VERY poppy. "Take Me Away" is a pretty 
    Tony Hatch/Jackie Trent song.
    
    >26.Richard Harris-The Yard Went On Forvever 
    >The Webb Sessions 1968-69 (Raven-Aus)
    
    Is the record available today? I'd love to get a copy of 
    it otherwise ;-)
    
    This is an Australian CD on Raven that combines the "A 
    Tramp Shining" and "The Yard Went On Forever" albums onto 
    one disc, plus one rare single. The quality is great, 
    despite the cheesy cover art. It's still in print as far 
    as I know.
    
    
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    Subject:     On Broadway
    Received:    11/14/99 1:00 am
    From:        Robin Wills, robin.xxxxxm.net
    To:          Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com
    
    
    Thanks to David and Ian for clearing up that "On Broadway"
    actually got a release, I have now found a mail order place
    that is selling it or 7.99. Still I find it strange that 
    HMV and Virgin aren't carrying it... I was half expecting 
    it to contain Ellie Greenwich demos, I mean she was the 
    "Demo Queen". Perhaps some of her orginal demos could be 
    collected one day as it would a great compilation idea.
     
    Now to find that copy of Phil's version of "Chico's Girl"...
     
    All the best
    
    Robin
    
    
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