__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0299 July 16, 1999 __________________________________________________________ America's First Family of Fine RecordingsSubject: Wannabes/Manson, Don't Go There Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm From: Don Richardson, drixxxxxs.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Glenn wrote: >Interestingly, many of these folks later had associations >with the Monkees project. Glenn, it was kind of interesting plugging in some of the names and seeing the nexus of connections. For example, Chadwick was a producer on a number of their albums. Considering the criticism that they were merely a "plastic" band, it's significant to note the talent and support from some very significant people. Tom Simon wrote: >It seems to me I heard that at one point Charles Manson >had wanted to be a Monkee. Can anyone confirm this? Don't know where and when that rumor got started, but it was debunked years ago. Manson was serving time in a California prison for (I think) armed robbery, when the auditions were held. Whatever the charges, he was incarcerated at the time. --Don --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: a horrible mistake Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm From: WASE RADIO,xxxxxt.org To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com To Tom Simon: At the time of the Monkees audition, Charles Manson was in jail. He was freed in April, 1967, which was a horrible mistake. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Manson & the Monkees Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm From: Glenn Sadin, glenn_mxxxxxlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Tom sez... >It seems to me I heard that at one point Charles Manson >had wanted to be a Monkee. Can anyone confirm this? This is an untrue rumor. I believe Manson was in jail during the time of the Monkees' auditions. Glenn Sadin glenn_mxxxxxhlink.net Guitarist, vocalist and songwriter for THE BERKELEY SQUIRES: http://www.termites.com/BerkeleySquires.html --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: "hey hey we're the mansons"... Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm From: Mr Smokes-Too-Much, wuxxxxxet.se To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Tom Simon asked: >It seems to me I heard that at one point Charles Manson >had wanted to be a Monkee. Can anyone confirm this? It's one of those myths. The sick f**k (which I think I can call him without anyone objecting to my language) remained in prison until 1967. BTW, Manson did put his hands in the LA musical pie --- did you, Carol Kaye, deal with him on any tracking dates with session musicians? Hope you didn't! Amazing that people today can find it cool what he did....hope he's locked away forever. On a similarly twisted note: Does anyone find the 'Sieg Heil' bit in The Sagittarius' "Hotel Indiscreet" offensive? Gary Usher seemed to have a somewhat perverse sense of humour... Tobias --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Titus Turner Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: Brad Elliott, suxxxxxonline.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com DickyG wrote: >I did find out that Titus Turner is (was) real. Born in >1933 (Atlanta) and died in 1984 (also Atlanta). While he >did record sporadically in the '50's, he was best known as >a songwriter...his specialty was jump blues and R&B. >Although I couldn't find "I Want To Get Married" or "I'm >Gonna Get Married" on a list of his recordings, I will >assume that he did cut it at some point and that is the >recording that Dave heard on the Dick Clark show. I recognized the name "Titus Turner" from growing up down south and so started looking in my reference books to see what I could find. Turns out that he more than recorded "sporadically in the '50s." His recorded catalog is more than three dozen singles, from 1951 clear through to the end of the '60s! Where I recall his name is in connection with a 1961 R&B single, "Sound Off," on the Jamie label. Based on the old military cadence, it landed in the Billboard Hot 100 (but not the Top 40), but in the south it was a much bigger hit. I remember hearing it as an oldie in the mid and late '60s. Surely, Dickie, you remember it, too? Anyway, Goldmine's "Standard Catalog of American Records" has the most extensive list of his records. It appears he started on the Okeh label (9 singles) in the early '50s, then moved to Mercury's Wing imprint (3 singles) and Atlantic (1 disc) in the mid '50s, King (8 45s) in the late '50s, and Jamie (5 singles) in 1961-62. After that, it was a succession of labels, some of them small, none of them for more than a couple of records -- in order: Enjoy, Columbia, Atco, Murbo, Philips and Josie. His last single (ironically titled "His Funeral, My Trial") was released in 1969. His only album appears to have been on Jamie -- SOUND OFF in 1961, to capitalize on his one hit. But in all that I turned up on him, I struck out just as bad as Dickie did. Nowhere did I find anything about "I Want to Get Married" or "I'm Gonna Get Married." Maybe it was something that never got past the test pressing stage. BTW, Turner's reputation as a songwriter seems to rest on the fact that Little Willie John had a big R&B hit with Turner's "All Around the World," but it wasn't a case of Turner writing the song and shopping it around. Rather, Turner recorded it first (on Wing) and John covered it after the fact. Dave Marsh thought John's version good enough to include in his list of the 1001 Greatest Single Ever Made (see Marsh's book, "The Heart of Rock and Soul"). Interestingly, Marsh called Turner's original version "a pedestrian Lloyd Price knockoff." Looking at Turner's discography, I have to wonder if he didn't frequently play off a vocal similarity to Price -- one of his singles (King, 1959) was "The Return of Staggolee." Brad --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: For Carol Kaye Re: Girl Groups Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: Jimmy Cresitelli, Jimxxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hi! I'm really enjoying and learning from your very knowledgeable and detailed posts. Thank you! My query: while in the studio, did you do much interacting with the girl-group vocalists you recorded for? I'm specifically curious because history seems to lend itself toward creating legends regarding producers-as-Svengali when they were dealing with their teenaged charges. Were the girls really just anonymous cogs within the machinery? I realize that there are many parts to a machine, but so many of these kids have come down through history with seemingly NO say (save Darlene, Ronnie, and Dee Dee Kennibrew...). I'm curious if these young ladies ever expressed any thoughts, opinions, and input about the music they were creating... and if anybody was listening? We're familiar with Phil's attitude regarding the fact that they were just voices, and easily replaceable in most cases, but I find it hard to completely accept that as coda. Any opinions? P.S. If I could turn back time, I would love to have been present at the sessions for "River Deep" with Tina and crew... yesss! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: A Travesty Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: WILLIAM STOS, xxxxxet.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com > She's also the most recognizable name on the list, which > is how they choose the winner on this survey. The problem I had was that the only reason she was winning this poll is because die-hard Diana fans had banded together to vote her in. Same with the Supremes. I'm on a Supremes newsgroup and when it was announced one day they only had seven votes, by the next day they had over 100. I wanted people on this newsgroup to know about the poll, since I didn't even get a chance. It's sad that just because Aretha's large fan base didn't find out about it, she didn't have too many votes. It was way too subjective, and hopefully it was made clear that VH1 fans, only mostly VH1 fans were voting. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Ronnie Spector Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm From: Shelby Riggsxxxxxmci.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com For all of you Ronnie Spector fans out there, Ronnie will be at the Sunset Station Casino in Henderson, Nevada on 9-11xxxxx0 PM (PST). The Sunset Casino is located on Sunset Road in Henderson. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Joe E. Ross Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: Big L,xxxxx.snowcrest.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Did he really? Or are you kidding? I'm a big fan of Joe. E. Ross! >PS: Upon second thought, i _would_ care if Joe E. Ross won. >Has anyone out there ever heard his great record, "Ooh, >Ooh"? Big L --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: What does he do all day? Received: 08/02/99 1:27 pm From: Ray Taylor, astxxxxxl.msn.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Can any one tell me what Phil Spector does all day long here in 1999! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Rupert Holmes Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: Derrick Bostromxxxxxpuppets.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com >I've been obsessing on ...Rupert Holmes. He's obsessable! "Widescreen" has the great "Terminal". He did an album for Streisand, upon which she does "Widescreen. I also like the self-titled follow up to "Partners in Crime". Derrick Bostroxxxxxpuppets.com --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Nashville Cats Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: Paul Urbahns, Pauluxxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Carole Kaye wrote: << Yes, I agree, there's a lot of fine musicians in Nashville, always have been but not for the variety of styles needed back in the 60s, from soul to rock to surf, to R&B, to Motown to Pop, to latin-soul to gospel to teeny-bopper stuff....we seemed to steal the hit-making label away from NY even. >> I have studied Nashville music from the outside for many years and I found Bill Pursell's (Our Winter Love) comment about right. He said something to the effect that you could get it all in Nashville. The same musicians that would play country in the studios during the day would be playing jazz at the Carousel Club in the evening(or one of the other clubs) and also be playing in the Nashville Symphony concerts on the weekends. In fact Roy Orbison (and most anybody who wanted strings on their records) had to use symphony players because for years during the Nashville Sound boom of the 60s there was not a studio string section for hire. Of course things have changed today but in the 60s there were three major studios and about 40 or 50 musicians that did 99 percent of the Nashville sessions. Paul Urbahns pauluxxxxxcom --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Nashville Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: Carol Kaye, caroxxxxxhlink.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com I wanted to say I didn't mean that today Nashville "can't" do all the multi-styles of music we were able to more or less create head-arrangements for back in the 60s..... Nashville is certainly where it's at for recording these days and one can record any style with all the great talents they have living and working there now. Nashville has long had many huge great talents working and living there. I was just trying to stress all the backgrounds and work experiences of the group of us in LA during the 60s, why I felt that we had it all going pretty well out here, that's all. Practically all the recording work is still in Nashville for sure. Good luck with that awful heat wave....I just got back from the NAMM music trade show in Nashville (there 3 days) and never experiened heat and humidity quite that bad together like that...and have lived in 120 degree weather but dry. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ PS. Gaylord, I'm with you, pretty strange poll - wonder if people "listen" with their eyes these days. And yes, Bob Alcivar is just a GREAT man to work for both talent-wise and as a fine person, he's one of the best...his music is hauntingly beautiful. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Cloud Eleven & Outrageous Cherry Received: 08/02/99 1:28 pm From: Del-Fi Promo, xxxxxfi.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxxxities.com Hello everyone, Just wanted to make sure that any of you Pop fans in town for L.A.'s IPO music festival knew that L.A.'s own Cloud Eleven and Detroit's Outrageous Cherry -- new bands on Del-Fi Records' DF2K imprint -- will be playing on the same bill, next Tuesday, August 3rd, at SPACELAND on the last day of this year's International Pop Overthrow music festival. It may be the last night of IPO, but don't miss this one if you can help it!! The bands start at 7:30pm (OC go on at 9:30pm, Cloud Eleven at 10pm). Cloud Eleven's self-titled CD -- released July 13th -- has already been getting quite a lot of notice. Here's just two samples of the kind of praise this great CD has received so far: "It's tempting, in the face of such perfectly-executed retro magic as this, to make up a story about discovering a long-lost masterpiece from the late Sixties: 'A secret collaboration between the Beach Boys, Beatles and Rolling Stones, the Cloud Eleven sessions were tied-up in record company legal battles for years.' But instead of Brian Wilson, John Lennon and Brian Jones, we have a new sonic master by the name of Rick Gallego, who wrote all but one tune and played everything except drums and strings. It's an echo-effect, soft-fuzz and sitar-flavored affair, full of double-tracked vocals that are always just on the verge of becoming too pretty to still be rock..." (Scott Laurence, Immedia Wire Service, July 12th -- syndicated in 100+ newspapers in Northa America). "Shimmering pop that will put sunshine in your heart." (L.A. Weekly music scribe, Dan Epstein) Outrageous Cherry will also be playing THE MARTINI LOUNGE on Monday, August 2nd..., with terrific opening acts Small Stone & Black Rebel Motorcycle Club (yeah!!). This is a great bill --- I saw Small Stone last night and they're like a cross between a psych-Byrds & mod-Creation/Who. Monday's show will be Outrageous Cherry's west coast debut. And how does one describe OC? All Media Guide (allmusic.com) says they sound "something like The Shadows of Knight PRODUCED BY PHIL SPECTOR!" [caps are mine for emphasis!!] Outrageous Cherry's DF2K debut -- Out There In The Dark -- will hit the streets on October 5th, by the way. See you there! Bryan Thomas publicity/licensing/A&R DF2K --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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