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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 07/09/99

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       Volume #0290                           July 10, 1999   
       The ORIGINAL HITS rerecorded by the ORIGINAL ARTISTS
    Subject:     Question for Diane Renay
    Received:    07/09/99 11:24 pm
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Pardon me if this question has been asked before, but 
    after visiting and seeing a box set called the 
    Ultimate Rock and Roll Collection featuring (in small 
    print) updated versions by original artists, I have to ask
    if Diane ever re-recorded her original songs? What's your 
    feeling on this? And say perhaps, you were lead singer of 
    a group called the Renayettes. Would you be angry if one 
    or two other members of the group brought in new members 
    to re-record old songs? 
    Will : )
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    Subject:     "Russell/Washburn"
    Received:    07/09/99 11:24 pm
    From:        Barrington Womble,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    My two favourite Harpers Bizarre songs Raspberry Rug and I
    Can Hear The Darkness are written by "Russell/Washburn". 
    Who are these guys?
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    Subject:     BW
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Bob Hanes, BobHaxxxxnet
    To:          Carol Kaye,
                 Spectropop List,
    I love the way you stand up for Brian! He grew to manhood 
    in a very confusing time and I'm sure it took some toll. I
    know very little about writing or producing music so my 
    perspective is that of a consumer or listener. I have had 
    the privilege of hearing a number of sessions that Brian 
    held over the scope of his career. Many of these dates 
    were tracking sessions(you appear on a large number) I 
    must say the "feeling" of these is everything you have to 
    say about Brian. Confident, in control, very goal oriented
    and FUN, lots of good humor and as Van Dyke Parks said 
    Brian being "first among equals" However, some of the 
    dates are vocal only or vocal and sweetening sessions with
    the group(family ) These indeed have an entirely different 
    "feel" . Very tense a lot of bickering and backhanded 
    put-downs. Mostly from Mike but Al and others seemed to be 
    influenced by the negativity with Dennis (when he was in 
    attendance) acting as the defender. I guess I'm trying to 
    point out that in MHO when Brian was in the presence of 
    pros he was happier and acted far more self assured and 
    confidant than when he was working with his family(group).
    The dynamics seemed to be almost counter productive at 
    times. perhaps because, as you point out, Brian was/is far
    more talented than most. Perhaps his fellow band mates were
    intimidated by Brian's musical abilities, and not self 
    confident enough to accept his musical leadership!
    It's always great to get your perspective Carol, keep the 
    The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, The Church of the Harmonic
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    Subject:     Calling Capitol Experts - RE: Nancy Wilson
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Paul MacArthur, rtf_xxxxdu
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Just read a press release on Nancy Wilson that said during
    the mid-sixties (no exact dates given) that Nancy Wilson 
    was the second best selling artist on Capitol Records 
    behind only the Beatles and that she was ahead of the 
    Beach Boys. Can anyone provide evidence to support or 
    refute this? 
    Paul MacArthur
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    Subject:     Ronettes' Home Of The Brave
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >He recorded it with the Ronettes, but was not 
    >satisfied with it and did not release it. 
    Please Please Please tell me somehow this recording has 
    been leaked out. This songs is incredible, and a Spector 
    version would be over the top! 
    Any hints, John Rausch, Doc?
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    Subject:     Home of the Brave
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Fascinating detailed info regarding "Home of the Brave". 
    It seems to tie in with other previously mentioned quotes,
    such as Jerry Riopelle's TWNHA interview, where he said 
    about the Capitol version, "We didn't expect their record,
    and they didn't expect ours." And when Bonnie & the 
    Treasures' version was reissued here in the UK in the 70s,
    Ronnie Spector told the UK Phil Spector Appreciation 
    Society, "I *did* do 'Home of the Brave', but the version 
    you have on release over here, that's not me." Jerry 
    couldn't recall Ronnie cutting the track, but the Gavin 
    Report backs up her claim. (Of course, Ronnie's comment 
    also laid to rest the myth back then - amongst those with 
    poor auditory discrimination! - that Bonnie was Ronnie.) 
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    Subject:     Home Of The Brave
    Received:    07/09/99 11:24 pm
    From:        Paul Urbahns, Paulurbxxxxm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Mark quoted:
    > Steve states that while he was in New York on June 7 & 8
    >of this year, songwriters Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil asked
    >him to listen to a demo record of 'Home of the Brave.' 
    >Steve was told that the song had been twice recorded, 
    >but had not been released. 
    This statement in itself indicates Spector probably had 
    the first and possibly a second version on the song. The 
    backing track sounds like Spector so maybe the session was
    an overdub session for Bonnie. Spector has cut the same song
    using both Ronettes and Crystals and not released either 
    before. A good example that comes to mind is Girls Can 
    Tell. It was recorded using the same back track by both 
    Crystals and Ronettes but was recut by the Dixie Cups 
    and used as a B side.
    Paul Urbahns
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    Subject:     Home Of The Brave
    Received:    07/09/99 11:24 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    That's all very interesting Mark. Didn't know the 
    background on the That's interesting about "Home Of The 
    Brave", am playing bass on the Jody Miller version and 
    probably on the "other versions" too as I was working for 
    Phil then. 
    As to Steve Douglas and what he said, I'd tend to believe 
    what Steve said about it (we sure still miss Steve too), 
    as Steve *always* was an authority on what was said and 
    not said. Sounds like your conclusion was the right one. 
     Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     Marvs vs. Velvs
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Will Stos wrote:
    > > 4) The Marvelettes-He Was Really Sayin' Something
    > Is the Marvelettes version of this song as good as the
    > Velvelettes? It was originally just an album cut, and
    > usually Motown girl group album covers are not all that
    > exciting, i.e. Diana Ross and the Supremes' Heatwave.
    Hi Will,
    The Marvelettes version is actually pretty good - I always
    recall Georgie Fame (who toured with the Motown Revue in 
    the UK) once picking it as a fave of his on a radio show, 
    even though the Marvelettes weren't actually on that tour.
    The Velvelettes' is definitely the punchier version, though.
    .....I guess because it was intended as a single rather 
    than an album cut. 
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    Subject:     Mick's mags/on the town with Darlene Love
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > Jimmy Cresitelli wrote:-
    > >
    > >... a while ago I posted a note saying that I
    > >had many issues of the above-named magazines, and asked
    > >Ian to get info for me re the copying of the items for
    > >interested parties. Ian, I hadn't heard back; what is the
    > >policy about that?  I know responses re the Phil Spector
    > >Appreciation Society are long in coming... : )
    I just contacted Mick, who said he has a number of copies 
    of the last Philately still available (#7, from 1990 - 
    features on Darlene, the Ducanes, a Toni Wine discography,
    the Ribowsky book, Bill Medley, Charlotte O'Hara/Bonnie, 
    and the story behind "It's My Party" ) He would prefer 
    anyone interested to get that particular issue from him. 
    But as for any other issues feel free to go ahead and 
    Mick can be contacted at: 121B Barry Road, East Dulwich, 
    London SE22 0HW. Readers might be interested to know that 
    when I spoke to him today, he'd just been sightseeing in 
    London with Darlene Love (ever the name-dropper!) Darlene 
    is in the UK right now, appearing in Roger Daltrey's 
    outdoor rock symphony concerts, which are currently being 
    performed at various stately homes around the country. 
    They feature various big names doing rock songs with a 
    symphony orchestra and gospel choir. Darlene opens and 
    features throughout - does "Jumpin' Jack Flash", "Let It 
    Be", and Pink Floyd number, amongst other things........
    she reportedly sounds and looks fabulous.
    It's not really my story to tell, but I'm sure Mick won't 
    mind....... During the course of the afternoon's 
    sightseeing, talk apparently turned to "He's a Rebel", and
    Darlene mentioned that the actual line-up who recorded that
    song was Darlene, sister Edna, Gracia Nitzsche and Fanita 
    James. Amazing the things you hear on a London bus.........! 
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    Subject:     Newbeats CD
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    To John Rausch.....
    Here's the track list from the Newbeats Sequel CD. Quality
    is good - Sequel had the rights to the Hickory tapes, I 
    believe. One or two gems on there, but personally, I think
    the choice of tracks could have been better. 
    Jimmy O' Neil interview with Larry Henley
    Bread and Butter
    Everything's Alright
    Break away from that boy
    The birds are for the bees
    Poison pen
    Little child
    A patent on love
    Run baby run
    Shake hands and come out crying
    Short on love
    Evil Eva
    Don't turn me loose
    Top secret
    Hide the moon
    Michelle De Ann
    Michelle De Ann (alternate take)
    The girls and the boys
    I'm a teardrop
    Love gets sweeter  (Larry Henley solo)
    The way you do the things you do  (Larry Henley solo)
    Does your body need loving  (Larry Henley solo)
    In the middle of the night  (Larry Henley solo)
    With tears in my eyes  (Dean & Marc)
    It's happening again  (Dean & Marc)
    Sticking up for my baby  (Larry Henley solo)
    His girl  (Larry Henley solo)
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    Subject:     Re: Eden Abhez?
    Received:    07/09/99 11:24 pm
    From:        Barrington Womble,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Brad Elliott wrote:
    >FYI, among the photos that Jasper Dailey took at 
    >the SMILE sessions is one of Brian sitting in Western 
    >Recorders with none other than Eden Ahbez.
    Sorry for my ignorance but who is Eden Ahbez?
    Oh, btw, Brad, while I'm already asking you: I got the 
    impression from a Japanese listee on PSML that the 'new' 
    Pet Sounds CD-reissue has been remastered once again: i.e.
    it's not the same master as on the Pet Sounds Box..?? Just 
    trying to find out if it's worth buying the new reissue if
    you already have the box :-)
    And do you think you'll put up your liner notes for it on 
    the 'net as you did with EH?
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    Subject:     Re: Fleetwoods/Newbeats
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Michael B Kelly, docroxxxxom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Will:  I have the 45 of "Ska Light, Ska Bright," if you get desperate!
    John and Paul: For me, the best Newbeats song is "
    Breakaway." By the way, did anyone know that Dick and 
    Deedee recorded "Thou Shalt Not Steal" because a friend 
    had heard the song on a Newbeats LP and said it sounded 
    JUST LIKE Dick and Deedee? When I played the original by 
    composer John D Loudermilk for Dick, he said that, had he 
    heard in back then, he never would have recorded it! He 
    hates John's original! 
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    Subject:     Re: The Fourmyula 
    Received:    07/09/99 11:24 pm
    From:        David Bash, Bashxxxxm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > From:        DJ JimmyB, DJJimmyxxxxm
    >  Good Morning World! ...  Here's a batch of 45's I lucked 
    >  into yesterday:
    >  The Fourmyula - Nature - Bell
    Wow, I had no idea this was ever released in the US! The 
    Fourmyula were a band from New Zealand who scored #1s on 
    the New Zealand charts with "Nature" and another great 
    flower pop song, "Come With Me". I always thought "Nature"
    would have been a perfect song for a rock opera like "Tommy" 
    or "SF Sorrow".
    Does anyone know if there are any Fourmyula comps on CD? 
    Spectropop Rules!!!!!
    Take Care,
    David Bash
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    Subject:     Ron Dante & Larry Henley
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        Shelby Riggs,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I have known Ron Dante for several years now, he moved 
    from New York City to Los Angeles in 1992. I met him at a 
    benefit show for Jewel Akens in November 1997, shortly 
    after Jewel had a quadruple by-pass. The money was to help
    Jewel Akens out financially, who had no insurance. They had
    an oldies line-up of about 30 performers. The show was not 
    well done & organized, but it was still a decent concert. 
    Ron was one of the guest performers that donated their 
    time for that worthy project. 
    For many years Ron sang back-up at numerous studios. He 
    even sang back-up for his idol, Bobby Darin. In our "
    Pioneers of Rock & Roll" concert, here in Las Vegas, Ron 
    will actually do all 3 groups that he sang lead with, and 
    with do a few of his solo songs that were released under 
    the Kirshner label. I still have Ron's solo LP he did on 
    Kirshner sealed. 
    Now regarding Larry Henley, I have also talked to Larry 
    several times recently. He is also going to be on the "
    PIONEERS" show. He said that he will perform at the "
    Pioneers" concert, but will not do "Run Baby, Run". This 
    is due apparently to voice strain. It will interesting to 
    se him perform. He is still song writing and does some 
    personal appearances. A couple of the most interesting 
    performers that I have talked to since I started 
    organizing this show last year are Paul Evans and Dickey 
    Lee. Both of them stay very busy in song writing and 
    performing. One of the best Oldies CD's that I have heard 
    in many years is Paul Evan's CD. "I Was A Part of the 
    Fifties". It fairly well highlight many years of his music,
     from the mid fifties to the 80's, including "I Was A 
    Part of the Fifties". A song that wrote for the CD. 
    Included is a song that was done in the movie "Pecker". 
    That song was "Happy Go-Lucky Me". Another very 
    interesting singer is Ersel Hickey, who wrote and recorded,
     "Bluebirds Over the Mountain". He also wrote a song in 
    1963 for Jimmie Rodgers ("Tender, Love & Care") fame, 
    titled "Crooked Little Man", which was not released as a 
    single, and was picked up by the Serendipity Singers, 
    which became a #1 song for them. And the single most 
    interesting singer that I have had the pleasure meeting 
    and becoming friends with is Jack Scott. What an 
    incredibly talented singer/song writer that man is. So far
    we have close to 90 performers for that concert. We are 
    negotiating with the Mandalay Bay here in Las Vegas for 
    the Concert, they are looking at the year 2000, sometime 
    from Valentine's Day to St. Patrick's Day". The Arena at 
    Mandalay Bay seats 12,000 people. The response that we 
    have had at our web-site has been unbelievable. I believe 
    that we could sell 25-50,000 tickets. Web-site address is :

    Shelby Riggs
    Henderson, Nv.
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    Subject:     The Marvellettes and Buddha
    Received:    07/09/99 11:23 pm
    From:        David Marsteller,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    On Fri, 09 Jul 1999, William Stos wrote:
    > > 4) The Marvellettes-He Was Really Sayin' Something
    > Is the Marvelettes version of this song as good as the 
    > Velvelettes? It was originally just an album cut, and 
    > usually Motown girl group album covers are not all that 
    > exciting, i.e. Diana Ross and the Supremes' Heatwave. 
    Gee, maybe someone else would like to weigh in. I hadn't 
    heard The Velvelettes' version until recently, so I might 
    be biased, but I love The Marvelettes' take of this song. 
    A funky up tempo version with a screaming sax break in the 
    middle, it just cruises along. 
    Then Stewart Mason wrote:
    > Is anybody else bothered by the new "corrected" spelling 
    > of Buddha Records, recently reactivated by BMG as their 
    > umbrella reissue label? Buddah was one of the great label 
    > names -- as well as having some of the best label art of 
    > its era -- and seeing it as Buddha Records feels like if 
    > EMI had suddenly started calling its US arm Capital.
    I'm not sure what the point was, improved appeal to new 
    agers? The new Buddha seems to have so little in common 
    with the old Buddah, why didn't they just come up with a 
    new name? I hope RCA a) sticks with it longer than the 
    last time and b) gives more value for money than those 10 
    or 12 song CD collections they put out last time. 
             David Marsteller                          
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