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Spectropop V#0289

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 07/09/99

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       Volume #0289                            July 9, 1999   
                   it`s the "sound" that counts               
    Subject:     Welcome, Bob
    Received:    07/09/99 12:53 am
    From:        David Feldman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Bob Alcivar said:							
    > Thank you Carol Kaye for letting me know and getting me 
    > on this list. 
    And welcome to the list, Bob. It's too bad that you didn't
    arrive a few months earlier, as we have had many 
    discussions recently about both the Fifth Dimension and 
    the Association. I think you'll find this is a congenial 
    and knowledgeable group of people, and I can't wait to 
    hear some war stories from you in the future.
    If you don't mind me asking something right off the bat....
    If I'm not incorrect, you came from a straight jazz 
    background, and I was curious how the adjustment came for 
    you to producing/arranging pop music. Was the transition 
    difficult? Did you approach producing/arranging a 5th 
    Dimension song any differently from, say, a Manhattan 
    Transfer one?
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    Subject:     Ska Light Ska Bright/Top Ten Question
    Received:    07/08/99 1:37 am
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    > No, Id say Gretchen "invented" soft rock!
    Gretchen, would you know where I can find the Fleetwoods' 
    song Ska Light Ska Bright on cd? I heard the title, and 
    I'm interested to hear what it sounds like.
    > 4) The Marvellettes-He Was Really Sayin' Something
    Is the Marvelettes version of this song as good as the 
    Velvelettes? It was originally just an album cut, and 
    usually Motown girl group album covers are not all that 
    exciting, ie Diana Ross and the Supremes' Heatwave. 
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    Subject:     "Home of the Brave" revisited
    Received:    07/08/99 1:37 am
    From:        Mark Landwehr,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I know this is an old thread, but I have received a copy 
    of pages from what looks to be the Gavin Report from the 
    60s, and the "Who Came First?" question is discussed re: 
    "Home of the Brave." It's a tad long, but I think will be 
    of interest as a historical item...
    >From the 8/6/65 issue:
    "Conflicting statements have recently been made regarding 
    the 'original' version of 'Home of the Brave.' Phil 
    Spector's signed statement in a Billboard ad claimed that 
    he had heard that 'it was gonna be covered by a major 
    label,' and that his record was the original.
    "Capitol has just released the song by Jody Miller. 
    Capitol execs state that their record was recorded at 
    Capitol Tower Studios in Hollywood on July 8. The record, 
    they say, was previewed at their sales meeting at the 
    Sheraton San Juan Hotel, Puerto Rico, on the evening of 
    July 15.
    "Officials of the Los Angeles Musicians Union, Lcl. #47, 
    confirm the Capitol recording date. They also provide the 
    following data: On Wed., Aug. 4, they received in the mail
    a signed contract for a recording session that had been 
    held at Hollywood's Gold Star Studios at 3 PM, July 24th. 
    The contract was signed by Phil Spector, specifying Jerry 
    Riopell as the leader. The name of Nick di Caro appeared 
    on the contract as arranger but had been scratched out. 
    Enclosed with the contract was a check from Phil Spector's
    company in payment for union taxes, etc. The check voucher 
    specified HOME OF THE BRAVE as the song that had been 
    recorded, although the contract itself specified two other
    "Phil Spector, when queried about his claim to have the 
    'original' version, stated that last year he had worked 
    with writers Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil in developing the
    song for one of his groups. He recorded it with the 
    Ronettes, but was not satisfied with it and did not 
    release it. His friend Jerry Riopell liked the song and 
    obtained Phil's permission to work on it. By using Phil's 
    arrangements and ideas from the previous track, Jerry was 
    able to work out an acceptable version with Bonnie and the
    Treasures. Phil Spector picked up the tab for the recording
    costs. No one involved at that time was aware of the 
    Capitol record, according to Phil. During a plane flight, 
    Phil had mentioned the song to Steve Douglas of Capitol, 
    and he believes that it was through this conversation that
    Capitol learned of the song and selected it for Jody Miller."
    >From the 8/13/65 issue:
    "A wire from Phil Spector states: 'I still maintain that 
    the idea behind the song, of doing the song, and of its 
    hit potential and the fact that it would now be apropos is
    what constitutes in my opinion the word 'cover.' All these 
    things were first thought of and originated by the Philles
    "Steve Douglas, Capitol's A&R man for the Jody Miller 
    record, denies a previously quoted statement from Phil 
    Spector to the effect that a plane conversation between 
    the two men gave Capitol the idea of acquiring the song. 
    Steve states that while he was in New York on June 7 & 8 
    of this year, songwriters Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil 
    asked him to listen to a demo record of 'Home of the Brave.' 
    Steve was told that the song had been twice recorded, 
    but had not been released. The writers, along with 
    publisher Donnie Kirshner, seemed of the opinion that it 
    was not going to be released, and wanted Steve to take it 
    for Jody Miller. Which he did...
    "Funny how things work out. One of the sax men on Phil 
    Spector's original recording session for the Ronettes last
    summer was Steve Douglas"
    If anyone has the 8/20/65 issue, it may continue the story. 
    But, quoting what was said at the end of the 8/6/65 
    issue, "It seems obvious from the foregoing that nobody 
    'covered' anybody else. The two records appeared on the 
    market almost simultaneously..."
    Phil Spector Record Gallery (updated 
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    Subject:     Re: Van Dyke Parks
    Received:    07/09/99 12:54 am
    From:        Brad Elliott,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Don Richardson wrote:
    >3. Donovan's  Colours-Mono (Leitch/Adapt. Arr. Parks)/ Donovan's
    >Colours-Stereo (Leitch/Adapt. Arr. Parks) WB-7026 (1967)
    >Number 3B Has not appeared anywhere to my
    >knowledge. It was reported to be on Danny Hutton's album
    >"Pre-Dog Night", but I cannot confirm it.
    I feel certain that something went awry here. Surely, Don,
    you're not indicating that the stereo version of "Donovan's
    Colours" hasn't appeared anywhere else, are you? It's on 
    every copy of SONG CYCLE that I've got (vinyl or CD), and 
    it's even on the IDEOSYNCRATIC PATH compilation that came 
    out in the UK a couple of years ago.
    In any event, I have a copy of PRE-DOG NIGHT and no 
    version of "Donovan's Colours" is included. In fact, there
    seems to be no obvious Parks connection to any of the 
    album's 10 songs.
    Surf's up!
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    Subject:     a question
    Received:    07/09/99 12:54 am
    From:        Stewart Mason, flamixxxxom
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Is anybody else bothered by the new "corrected" spelling 
    of Buddha Records, recently reactivated by BMG as their 
    umbrella reissue label? Buddah was one of the great label 
    names -- as well as having some of the best label art of 
    its era -- and seeing it as Buddha Records feels like if 
    EMI had suddenly started calling its US arm Capital.
    ***************************FLAMINGO RECORDS*************************
    Stewart Allensworth Mason     "My hair always looks like it's 
    Box 40172                      listening, in some private way,
    Albuquerque NM 87196           to a disco album called DANCE         CRAZE '97."
    *********************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE********************
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    Subject:     BW
    Received:    07/09/99 12:53 am
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Greg L., thanks for your message.....yes, you're right. So
    many want to feel important by painting a weird picture of 
    Brian Wilson that is totally false from what his studio 
    musicians saw of him (check the booklet w/Pet Sounds, 
    that's the real opinions there) for their own agendas. 
    Brian was a happy wonderful guy to work for back in the 
    60s when we saw him very regularly.
    Many have asked me "did he start changing when he got into
    the Smile lp"? I have to say "no, he was just a young man 
    growing fast with his creativity -- he kept his personal 
    life to himself and was a total happy professional in the 
    studio life". 
    He did tell us of his influences and would say some 
    remarks here and there (4 Freshmen, Spector etc.) and we 
    all felt like we knew him very well with all his put-ons, 
    and subtle humor but also his intensive drive to cut a 
    great hit. He wasn't alone with those feelings, but just 
    more talented imo. He could write his own notes. 
    Maybe someday a documentary will be made on his happy life
    ....instead of all the made-up stuff and titillating "dark" 
    things that others say about him. Am sure that will be 
    coming soon. 
    Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     Newbeats
    Received:    07/09/99 12:53 am
    From:        john rausch, jxxxxet
    To:          Spectropop List,
    IAN wrote:
    John, I'd cite "Run Baby Run" as my favourite Newbeats
    track too, along with the similar "Crying My Heart Out"
    (sadly not on the CD). An interesting footnote: a harmony
    group called the Weekends did the oldie "Canadian Sunset"
    on Columbia. in EXACTLY the same stompy, unrelenting style
    as "Run Baby Run" and I do mean fact, you'd
    swear they'd used the same backing track!! Well worth
    looking out for - produced by Morty Craft (Columbia 4-
    Thanks for all the info on my latest fixation. The way you
    describe Run Baby Run, "the same stompy, unrelenting style"
    is so apropos of this perfect pop tune; one of those songs 
    that just stick in your head for days.
    I was amazed at their 45 singles output listed in Goldmine
    record price Newbeats keep the same sound on 
    their non-Hickory label output?
    Paul Urbahns wrote:
    >John asked about the Newbeats. I have "best Of The 
    >newbeats" CD issued on Sequel it has 29 cuts... 
    I do know they didn't play on their records but used some 
    of Nashville's best studio musicians of the period....
    Thanks for the info, Paul. I was wondering if they were a 
    "manufactured" group, not that this matters to me; it`s the
    "sound" that counts. What are track listings on the sequel 
    comp? there much stereo? and how would you grade the 
    overall sound? I probably will try to pick this up. I 
    found a cd comp on Collectables label, but it was pretty 
    lame, so I passed. This Sequel cd seems to be the one to go 
    for. I love these cover versions (hang on sloopy, come see 
    about me, oh pretty woman, help and satisfaction). Another 
    great track is "oh girls,girls" contained on my stereo lp 
    "run baby run" and wonder if they are contained on the 
    Sequel comp?
    John Rausch
    Presenting The Fabulous 
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    Subject:     Philately & That Will Never Happen Again copies
    Received:    07/09/99 12:54 am
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jimmy Cresitelli wrote:-
    >... a while ago I posted a note saying that I
    >had many issues of the above-named magazines, and asked
    >Ian to get info for me re the copying of the items for
    >interested parties. Ian, I hadn't heard back; what is the
    >policy about that?  I know responses re the Phil Spector
    >Appreciation Society are long in coming... : )
    Jimmy, I apologise...I must have missed that post, I have 
    no recollection of it at all. I'll check with Mick about 
    copying the mags, and get back to the list when I hear 
    from him.....whenever that may be!! :-)
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    Subject:     Re: Spectropop V#0288
    Received:    07/09/99 12:54 am
    From:        WASE RADIO, wxxxxorg
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I need to elaborate something. On my last post, I mention 
    the Newbeats recorded an interesting cover version of the 
    Nat Stuckey country hit "Sweet Thing". They released their
    version under the name "Snoopy And The Others". I think 
    they were inspired by the Four Seasons' campy version of 
    the Bob Dylan song "Don't Think Twice" that was released 
    in late 1965 as by "The Wonder Who?" I have an old beat up
    copy of "Sweet Thing" and it is hilarious to hear Larry 
    Henley going "Weeeeeeeeeel, Have anyone seen sweet thing" 
    in that falsetto. As i mentioned the song was a top 20 
    Louisville Ky. area hit, Never made the national charts. A
    Michael G.Marvin
    WASE radio
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    Subject:     Rekkids found
    Received:    07/09/99 12:54 am
    From:        DJ JimmyB, DJJimmyxxxxm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Good Morning World! ...  Here's a batch of 45's I lucked 
    into yesterday:
    The Fourmyula - Nature - Bell
    Mel Carter - When I Hold The Hand Of The One I Love	
    The Critters - Don't Let The Rain Fall Down On Me - Kapp
    The Association - Standing Still - Valiant
    Bazooka - Look At You Now - White Whale
    Arkade - Sing Out The Love - Dunhill
    Blue Stars - Mambo Italiano (in French!) - Mercury
    Lord Sitar - Black Is Black - Capitol
    Baja Marimba Band - Can You Dig It - A&M
    The Fleetwoods - They Tell Me Its Summer - Dolton
    Jefferson - Baby Take Me In Your Arms - Janus
    All in the soft rock/pop vein, all wonderful to these ears
    Jimmy Botticelli
    "Jimmy's Easy" airs on WMBR-FM, 88.1 in Cambridge MA on 
    Tuesdays from 6-8a.m. To hear WMBR on the web in real time, 
    download Real Audio and go to
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    Subject:     Ron Dante
    Received:    07/09/99 12:53 am
    From:        john rausch, jxxxxet
    To:          Spectropop List,
    This name should be familiar to the list members. The 
    voice of bubblegum music.Sang as the Archies, Detergents, 
    Cufflinks and so many more. I came across his new website 
    still under construction but worth a peek.
    John Rausch
    Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sound at
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