__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0289 July 9, 1999 __________________________________________________________ it`s the "sound" that countsSubject: Welcome, Bob Received: 07/09/99 12:53 am From: David Feldman, feldxxxxerables.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Bob Alcivar said: > Thank you Carol Kaye for letting me know and getting me > on this list. And welcome to the list, Bob. It's too bad that you didn't arrive a few months earlier, as we have had many discussions recently about both the Fifth Dimension and the Association. I think you'll find this is a congenial and knowledgeable group of people, and I can't wait to hear some war stories from you in the future. If you don't mind me asking something right off the bat.... If I'm not incorrect, you came from a straight jazz background, and I was curious how the adjustment came for you to producing/arranging pop music. Was the transition difficult? Did you approach producing/arranging a 5th Dimension song any differently from, say, a Manhattan Transfer one? --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Ska Light Ska Bright/Top Ten Question Received: 07/08/99 1:37 am From: WILLIAM STOS, wsxxxx.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com > No, Id say Gretchen "invented" soft rock! Gretchen, would you know where I can find the Fleetwoods' song Ska Light Ska Bright on cd? I heard the title, and I'm interested to hear what it sounds like. > 4) The Marvellettes-He Was Really Sayin' Something Is the Marvelettes version of this song as good as the Velvelettes? It was originally just an album cut, and usually Motown girl group album covers are not all that exciting, ie Diana Ross and the Supremes' Heatwave. Will --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: "Home of the Brave" revisited Received: 07/08/99 1:37 am From: Mark Landwehr, mslxxxxs.com To: Spectropop List, Spectroxxxxies.com I know this is an old thread, but I have received a copy of pages from what looks to be the Gavin Report from the 60s, and the "Who Came First?" question is discussed re: "Home of the Brave." It's a tad long, but I think will be of interest as a historical item... >From the 8/6/65 issue: "Conflicting statements have recently been made regarding the 'original' version of 'Home of the Brave.' Phil Spector's signed statement in a Billboard ad claimed that he had heard that 'it was gonna be covered by a major label,' and that his record was the original. "Capitol has just released the song by Jody Miller. Capitol execs state that their record was recorded at Capitol Tower Studios in Hollywood on July 8. The record, they say, was previewed at their sales meeting at the Sheraton San Juan Hotel, Puerto Rico, on the evening of July 15. "Officials of the Los Angeles Musicians Union, Lcl. #47, confirm the Capitol recording date. They also provide the following data: On Wed., Aug. 4, they received in the mail a signed contract for a recording session that had been held at Hollywood's Gold Star Studios at 3 PM, July 24th. The contract was signed by Phil Spector, specifying Jerry Riopell as the leader. The name of Nick di Caro appeared on the contract as arranger but had been scratched out. Enclosed with the contract was a check from Phil Spector's company in payment for union taxes, etc. The check voucher specified HOME OF THE BRAVE as the song that had been recorded, although the contract itself specified two other tunes. "Phil Spector, when queried about his claim to have the 'original' version, stated that last year he had worked with writers Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil in developing the song for one of his groups. He recorded it with the Ronettes, but was not satisfied with it and did not release it. His friend Jerry Riopell liked the song and obtained Phil's permission to work on it. By using Phil's arrangements and ideas from the previous track, Jerry was able to work out an acceptable version with Bonnie and the Treasures. Phil Spector picked up the tab for the recording costs. No one involved at that time was aware of the Capitol record, according to Phil. During a plane flight, Phil had mentioned the song to Steve Douglas of Capitol, and he believes that it was through this conversation that Capitol learned of the song and selected it for Jody Miller." >From the 8/13/65 issue: "A wire from Phil Spector states: 'I still maintain that the idea behind the song, of doing the song, and of its hit potential and the fact that it would now be apropos is what constitutes in my opinion the word 'cover.' All these things were first thought of and originated by the Philles organization.' "Steve Douglas, Capitol's A&R man for the Jody Miller record, denies a previously quoted statement from Phil Spector to the effect that a plane conversation between the two men gave Capitol the idea of acquiring the song. Steve states that while he was in New York on June 7 & 8 of this year, songwriters Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil asked him to listen to a demo record of 'Home of the Brave.' Steve was told that the song had been twice recorded, but had not been released. The writers, along with publisher Donnie Kirshner, seemed of the opinion that it was not going to be released, and wanted Steve to take it for Jody Miller. Which he did... "Funny how things work out. One of the sax men on Phil Spector's original recording session for the Ronettes last summer was Steve Douglas" If anyone has the 8/20/65 issue, it may continue the story. But, quoting what was said at the end of the 8/6/65 issue, "It seems obvious from the foregoing that nobody 'covered' anybody else. The two records appeared on the market almost simultaneously..." Mark Phil Spector Record Gallery (updated 7/1/9xxxx//www.toltbbs.com/~msland/Spector --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Van Dyke Parks Received: 07/09/99 12:54 am From: Brad Elliott, surfxxxxline.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Don Richardson wrote: >3. Donovan's Colours-Mono (Leitch/Adapt. Arr. Parks)/ Donovan's >Colours-Stereo (Leitch/Adapt. Arr. Parks) WB-7026 (1967) > >Number 3B Has not appeared anywhere to my >knowledge. It was reported to be on Danny Hutton's album >"Pre-Dog Night", but I cannot confirm it. I feel certain that something went awry here. Surely, Don, you're not indicating that the stereo version of "Donovan's Colours" hasn't appeared anywhere else, are you? It's on every copy of SONG CYCLE that I've got (vinyl or CD), and it's even on the IDEOSYNCRATIC PATH compilation that came out in the UK a couple of years ago. In any event, I have a copy of PRE-DOG NIGHT and no version of "Donovan's Colours" is included. In fact, there seems to be no obvious Parks connection to any of the album's 10 songs. Surf's up! Brad --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: a question Received: 07/09/99 12:54 am From: Stewart Mason, flamixxxxom To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Is anybody else bothered by the new "corrected" spelling of Buddha Records, recently reactivated by BMG as their umbrella reissue label? Buddah was one of the great label names -- as well as having some of the best label art of its era -- and seeing it as Buddha Records feels like if EMI had suddenly started calling its US arm Capital. Stewart ***************************FLAMINGO RECORDS************************* Stewart Allensworth Mason "My hair always looks like it's Box 40172 listening, in some private way, Albuquerque NM 87196 to a disco album called DANCE www.rt66.com/~flamingo CRAZE '97." *********************HAPPY MUSIC FOR NICE PEOPLE******************** --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: BW Received: 07/09/99 12:53 am From: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Greg L., thanks for your message.....yes, you're right. So many want to feel important by painting a weird picture of Brian Wilson that is totally false from what his studio musicians saw of him (check the booklet w/Pet Sounds, that's the real opinions there) for their own agendas. Brian was a happy wonderful guy to work for back in the 60s when we saw him very regularly. Many have asked me "did he start changing when he got into the Smile lp"? I have to say "no, he was just a young man growing fast with his creativity -- he kept his personal life to himself and was a total happy professional in the studio life". He did tell us of his influences and would say some remarks here and there (4 Freshmen, Spector etc.) and we all felt like we knew him very well with all his put-ons, and subtle humor but also his intensive drive to cut a great hit. He wasn't alone with those feelings, but just more talented imo. He could write his own notes. Maybe someday a documentary will be made on his happy life ....instead of all the made-up stuff and titillating "dark" things that others say about him. Am sure that will be coming soon. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Newbeats Received: 07/09/99 12:53 am From: john rausch, jxxxxet To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com IAN wrote: John, I'd cite "Run Baby Run" as my favourite Newbeats track too, along with the similar "Crying My Heart Out" (sadly not on the CD). An interesting footnote: a harmony group called the Weekends did the oldie "Canadian Sunset" on Columbia. in EXACTLY the same stompy, unrelenting style as "Run Baby Run" and I do mean exactly....in fact, you'd swear they'd used the same backing track!! Well worth looking out for - produced by Morty Craft (Columbia 4- 43597). Ian, Thanks for all the info on my latest fixation. The way you describe Run Baby Run, "the same stompy, unrelenting style" is so apropos of this perfect pop tune; one of those songs that just stick in your head for days. I was amazed at their 45 singles output listed in Goldmine record price guide...do Newbeats keep the same sound on their non-Hickory label output? Paul Urbahns wrote: >John asked about the Newbeats. I have "best Of The >newbeats" CD issued on Sequel it has 29 cuts... I do know they didn't play on their records but used some of Nashville's best studio musicians of the period.... Thanks for the info, Paul. I was wondering if they were a "manufactured" group, not that this matters to me; it`s the "sound" that counts. What are track listings on the sequel comp?...is there much stereo? and how would you grade the overall sound? I probably will try to pick this up. I found a cd comp on Collectables label, but it was pretty lame, so I passed. This Sequel cd seems to be the one to go for. I love these cover versions (hang on sloopy, come see about me, oh pretty woman, help and satisfaction). Another great track is "oh girls,girls" contained on my stereo lp "run baby run" and wonder if they are contained on the Sequel comp? Thanks John Rausch Presenting The Fabulous Ronetxxxx//www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Philately & That Will Never Happen Again copies Received: 07/09/99 12:54 am From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Jimmy Cresitelli wrote:- > >... a while ago I posted a note saying that I >had many issues of the above-named magazines, and asked >Ian to get info for me re the copying of the items for >interested parties. Ian, I hadn't heard back; what is the >policy about that? I know responses re the Phil Spector >Appreciation Society are long in coming... : ) Jimmy, I apologise...I must have missed that post, I have no recollection of it at all. I'll check with Mick about copying the mags, and get back to the list when I hear from him.....whenever that may be!! :-) Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0288 Received: 07/09/99 12:54 am From: WASE RADIO, wxxxxorg To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com I need to elaborate something. On my last post, I mention the Newbeats recorded an interesting cover version of the Nat Stuckey country hit "Sweet Thing". They released their version under the name "Snoopy And The Others". I think they were inspired by the Four Seasons' campy version of the Bob Dylan song "Don't Think Twice" that was released in late 1965 as by "The Wonder Who?" I have an old beat up copy of "Sweet Thing" and it is hilarious to hear Larry Henley going "Weeeeeeeeeel, Have anyone seen sweet thing" in that falsetto. As i mentioned the song was a top 20 Louisville Ky. area hit, Never made the national charts. A shame. Michael G.Marvin WASE radio --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Rekkids found Received: 07/09/99 12:54 am From: DJ JimmyB, DJJimmyxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Good Morning World! ... Here's a batch of 45's I lucked into yesterday: The Fourmyula - Nature - Bell Mel Carter - When I Hold The Hand Of The One I Love Imperial The Critters - Don't Let The Rain Fall Down On Me - Kapp The Association - Standing Still - Valiant Bazooka - Look At You Now - White Whale Arkade - Sing Out The Love - Dunhill Blue Stars - Mambo Italiano (in French!) - Mercury Lord Sitar - Black Is Black - Capitol Baja Marimba Band - Can You Dig It - A&M The Fleetwoods - They Tell Me Its Summer - Dolton Jefferson - Baby Take Me In Your Arms - Janus All in the soft rock/pop vein, all wonderful to these ears Jimmy Botticelli "Jimmy's Easy" airs on WMBR-FM, 88.1 in Cambridge MA on Tuesdays from 6-8a.m. To hear WMBR on the web in real time, download Real Audio and go to www.wmbr.org --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Ron Dante Received: 07/09/99 12:53 am From: john rausch, jxxxxet To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com This name should be familiar to the list members. The voice of bubblegum music.Sang as the Archies, Detergents, Cufflinks and so many more. I came across his new website still under construction but worth a peek. http://www.rondante.com/ John Rausch Phil Spector`s Wall Of Sound at http://members.tripod.com/~rauschj/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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