__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0283 June 30, 1999 __________________________________________________________ You'll get all the Top Pops at Boots Record ShopsSubject: Bones Howe Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: mike white, Mike.Whxxxxc.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Hi everybody! This is my first posting to the list (thanks for the tip-off, Dennis!) and it's a heck of a long shot: Does anybody know of the current whereabouts of Bones Howe? I'm writing a research feature on soft pop for a Canadian music paper and consider him to be the all-time best producer of the genre (the Association's "Birthday," alone, would convince me of that!). To get 20 minutes of phone/ e-mail time to pick his brain about some of those sessions would be incredible. I'd be eternally indebted to anyone who could contact me privately with even the most tenuous lead. Thank you all, Mike White Toronto Mike.Whxxxxc.com --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Philateley/TWNHA Fanzines Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com >Will Stos wrote: >Does Mick Patrick still publish Philately and That Will > Never Happen again? Were they any good? Hi Will, Some background on those fanzines: I used to write for both "Philately" and "That Will Never Happen Again", and the last issue was the TWNHA double-issue Brit-girl special which appeared in the late-80s. Philately initially evolved from the Phil Spector Appreciation Society photocopied newsletters, which were a bit staid, and in '83 Mick Patrick, the editor, decided to revamp it as "Philately" - "The Magazine for Fans of Spector and Related Black and White Pop" (!!) "That Will Never Happen Again" was a "sister" publication that had a slightly wider net.....practically the same as Spectropop in fact, but very girl-group-oriented. From the relaunch on, the mags were properly litho'd with card covers.....exactly the same format as Sheila's "Cha Cha Charming" of today. I don't think I'm being too biased when I say they were pretty informative for those pre-'net times......and they were the only thing around back then. Before Alan Betrock's book appeared and prompted the critics to reappraise the whole girl-group genre, it was a struggle to drum up interest - hardly anyone wanted to know about pre-Beatle pop (especially in the UK) and we did our best to keep the Spector/girl-group flag flying and try to get people to listen to this stuff and realise how good it was. After Alan's book and video came out, it got easier..... suddenly it was OK to like girl-groups and fans came flying out of the closet thick and fast! One of our proudest moments back then was when the trendy "Face" magazine did a small feature on the "A - Z of Pop/Soul Blondes" issue of "That Will Never Happen Again" (Diane, you were our entry for the letter "R"!!) I wasn't involved in the publishing or distribution, but I know that Mick - with a regular day job, and only a couple of people to help him - found it hard to keep up a regular publishing schedule, and the mags went from 3 or 4 per year, down to 2, then to one and eventually to an "occasional" basis until they faded completely, and his sleeve-note writing took over. I do know, however, that another issue of "TWNHA" has been in the pipeline for a long, long time. It's going to be Vol. 2 of "Blondes", but when it will actually appear is anybody's guess!! Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Os Mutantes Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Kieron Tyler, kierxxxxorg.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com There was a query about their LPs after the first one. Their second (self-titled, rec. 1968) is like the first, only more so, but a bit less tuneful. Recommended I think. Their 3rd (Divine Comedy, with the black cover, 1970) has lost all the weird feel, and sounds more like a rock LP, indeed a different band. Its got an almost heavy rock feel , tempered somewhat, but I don't like it. Stick with the 1st two. Has anyone heard any early Jorge Ben??? All the best, Kieron --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Tropicalia, exotica and VDP Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Jamie LePage, le_page_xxxxies.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Toby wrote: >I heard Luaka Bop (David Byrne's label) will release >some kind of Mutantes compilation, is Everything Is >Possible the one? Yes, that's the one. Most of it is in Portuguese, but there is at least one track in English. >...that new Ultra Lounge compilation is pretty >good. I have to say, though, that their compilations in >general aren't very good. They seem to focus too much >intentionally on the kitchy side of Exotica/Lounge rather >than treating the genre as seriously as it should be >treated. I agree with you, but remember this Tiki Sampler is just what it claims to be: a sampler. There are many solid CD reissues that do justice to the genre. Besides, if the novelty aspect loops in enough "new" fans, it will help justify more exotica reissues. No market - no release. >...take all the marimba stuff from the >Beach Boys' Smile for example..*pure Martin Denny*! And >Baxter's experimentations with echo, reverb and huge >orchestras certainly also foreshadowed what a certain >Brian Wilson would do 10-15 years later. Baxter recorded a >theremin album in 1949, for Christ's sake!! :-) Interesting points. > >Another thing, Jamie....when VDP performed Heroes & >Villians, did he sing the released single version or did >he incorporate any of the fragments/segments which were >recorded but never used (i.e "part 2")? The version he performed live was similar to the released Heroes and Villians. I really wanted to yell out "In the Cantina!" but I thought that would blow my cool, and as Geets always says, everyone has a limited amount of cool and it's important not to blow it. Besides, VDP and co. were using detailed charts on every song, so I doubt they would have been able to launch into an impromptu version of In the Cantina. And in retrospect, I guess it was wiser not to embarrass everyone sitting at the table with such an outburst. So instead I yelled out "Do 'Come to the Sunshine'!" (just kidding). Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Where the Girls Aren't... Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Brian Ferrari, BriGuyxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Hello everyone! I've been lurking on the list for a while and finally decided to jump on in: Jack Madani wrote (RE: Where the Girls Are CD) : > I have vol. 1 and was a *little* >disappointed that many of the songs that I liked on the >old Kent vinyl release of the same name weren't on the ACE >cd release--and in one case, the song Please Don't Kiss Me >Again, the cd contains what is called an "underdub" >version I'm not quite sure what the point of this "underdub" is. The only good thing about it is that it gives me the opportunity to sing the "Hey Hey Hey" back-ups that they left off! Actually, the Charmettes song is the only one on both the Kent vinyl and Ace CD. They are two completely different collections. There are some great songs on the vinyl that will hopefully make it to CD. Bernadette Peters, circa 1965, doing "We'll Start the Party Again" is a standout. Brian Ferrari --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Correction... Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Meant that the "Dodge" ad (not "Nissan", they're using our "Feelin' Alright" hit), obviously recorded lately, was the only exception I've heard to "good music" being recorded currently for ads. Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: commercials with hits Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Big L, bixxxxmail.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com This subject came up in our club (DecalcoMania) newsletter. as a result, I began keeping a log of every spot I saw using oldies. I was surprised to detect that there as been a definite shift into 70s music as opposed to 60s. In fact, about 90% of the tunes were from 1970 or later. The thing I hate is that they usually rerecord them into a pathetically inferior sounding version. I remember a few years ago some sponsor was using "So Tired" by the Kinks. For awhile, the original version ran, then was sudddenly replaced by a version that sounded like the lead singer was on Valium or something. We Kinks fans got highly incensed. The point that was made in our newsletter was this: how much product recognition is generated by using oldies as opposed to original jingles? I can't name the sponsor currently using "You Sexy Thing" as a tease. But try these on for size: The king of beers No matter what shape Hi ho hey hey, chew your little troubles away If you've got the time, we've got the beer Things go better with... You'll flip at the zip The Uncola That's just a few. How many of you 35 and older knew most, if not all of them? Here are the answers, as if you needed them. Budweiser; Roll-Aids; Wrigley's Spearmint gum; Miller; Coca-Cola; RC Cola' 7-Up In fact, they've brought that last one back. Remember the Uncola Underground? I doubt if anyone will remember todays oldies commercials even one year from now, let alone 20 or 30. == Big L Check out my Radio Legends pages at: bixxxxmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9816 --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: by "the original artists" Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Ron Bierma, ELRONxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com >So they use well known siongers sometimes in the re-sings >but seldom the original singer. sorry to contradict you old chap, but I've noticed just the opposite recently. Stones-Start Me Up and Give Me Shelter, Sly's Everyday People, Louis' What a Wonderful World (what does everyone think of the upcoming Louis and Kenny G duet and video of this song?-that's another topic, eh?), Louis Prima's Jump, Jive and Wail, I Feel Good by James Brown, Express Yourself by Charles Watts 103 st band, etc. This original artist trend may have been spurred by the Divine Miss M winning her lawsuit regarding sound-alike ads. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Commercial use of songs.... Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Robert Charles-Dunne, xxxxt.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com There are a couple of issues that really annoy me about the pop culture iconography being co-opted by commercial interests. The first is context: When a Canadian bank exploited a re-recording of Dylan's "Times They Are A'Changing" to huck their new Internet division Mbanx, fans were apoplectic. Though the song served the bank's purpose of positioning itself as a radical departure from the 'old' way of banking, people couldn't believe they'd have the cheek to use Dylan to achieve that end. The context was jarring. Whether Dylan PERSONALLY approved the use of the song in this fashion [as opposed to the publisher, which usually controls such rights] escaped scrutiny in the ensuing debate. The fact that this became an issue of debate in a variety of media vehicles also served the bank's interests, for it kept the name and logo in the spotlight. The second issue, and this one REALLY burns ME up, is the Vege-matic method employed to cull just the bits of a song they want to use, and what is excised in the process. A couple of blatant examples of late: Tampax is using The Zombies' "Time Of The Season" as a backdrop to pop-festival footage that ends with the payoff 'Tampax Was There,' or words to that effect. Trouble is, Tampax has managed to erase a couple of lines of lyric in its hurry to hit the verse and stay within the 30 second time frame. Same with a recent Kinks song, in which several pre-chorus lines were lost, all for the sake of brevity. I have a sense of humour about the ways in which pop culture can be exploited, and respectful use of material is to be encouraged. [The Mexicali bridge of Love's "Alone Again Or" in a spot for - I THINK it was - Miller Beer was a perfect example. Unfortunately, it only ran for a week or two.] But when the ad agency brain-trusts re-arrange and even slice'n'dice the songs in question, the resulting irritation factor for the target audience outweighs whatever benefit the advertiser THINKS it may be achieving by using the song. So, for any advertising agency types who may be subscribers, a word of advice: Don't use our most cherished songs in a disrespectful context, and leave the continuity of the song intact. Anything less is an insult to the very people you're aiming to reach. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Jingles Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com I'm with the "tasteful" brigade on this one! But another point to remember is that these ads can bring an artist back into the public eye and open up work opportunities. The UK has a history of putting "oldies" performers back in the charts when a reissue latches on with the public through an ad. Remember the case of Andy Williams who we discussed recently, over here promoting "Music To Watch Girls By" after the Levis ad led to plays in clubs all over the country. Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: oldies/commercials Received: 06/29/99 11:36 pm From: john rausch, jxxxxet To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Thanks to all who had a reply to my last topic on oldies/commercials.seems like the consensus is in favor for the most part.And Diane,that`s interesting what you mention about using the first 8 bars=no royalties.Also I must confess that I own one of those import cds of all your recordings,I understand that overseas , after a certain time lapses, the copyright is not effective,hence so many import cds of very hard to find recordings(here in the states).Many sound as if they were taken directly from a vinyl source.If it is any consolation,the "best of diane renay" import cd I have is very inferior in sound quality.I think the original 45s in my collection sound better . John --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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