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  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 06/29/99

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       Volume #0283                           June 30, 1999   
         You'll get all the Top Pops at Boots Record Shops    
    Subject:     Bones Howe
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        mike white,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi everybody!
    This is my first posting to the list (thanks for the 
    tip-off, Dennis!) and it's a heck of a long shot: Does 
    anybody know of the current whereabouts of Bones Howe?
    I'm writing a research feature on soft pop for a Canadian
    music paper and consider him to be the all-time best 
    producer of the genre (the Association's "Birthday," alone, 
    would convince me of that!). To get 20 minutes of phone/
    e-mail time to pick his brain about some of those sessions
    would be incredible. I'd be eternally indebted to anyone 
    who could contact me privately with even the most tenuous 
    Thank you all,
    Mike White
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    Subject:     Philateley/TWNHA Fanzines
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >Will Stos wrote:
    >Does Mick Patrick still publish Philately and That Will
    > Never Happen again? Were they any good? 
    Hi Will,
    Some background on those fanzines: I used to write for 
    both "Philately" and "That Will Never Happen Again", and 
    the last issue was the TWNHA double-issue Brit-girl 
    special which appeared in the late-80s. Philately 
    initially evolved from the Phil Spector Appreciation 
    Society photocopied newsletters, which were a bit staid, 
    and in '83 Mick Patrick, the editor, decided to revamp it 
    as "Philately" - "The Magazine for Fans of Spector and 
    Related Black and White Pop" (!!) "That Will Never Happen 
    Again" was a "sister" publication that had a slightly 
    wider net.....practically the same as Spectropop in fact, 
    but very girl-group-oriented. From the relaunch on, the 
    mags were properly litho'd with card covers.....exactly 
    the same format as Sheila's "Cha Cha Charming" of today. I
    don't think I'm being too biased when I say they were 
    pretty informative for those pre-'net times......and they 
    were the only thing around back then. Before Alan 
    Betrock's book appeared and prompted the critics to 
    reappraise the whole girl-group genre, it was a struggle 
    to drum up interest - hardly anyone wanted to know about 
    pre-Beatle pop (especially in the UK) and we did our best 
    to keep the Spector/girl-group flag flying and try to get 
    people to listen to this stuff and realise how good it was. 
    After Alan's book and video came out, it got easier.....
    suddenly it was OK to like girl-groups and fans came 
    flying out of the closet thick and fast! One of our 
    proudest moments back then was when the trendy "Face" 
    magazine did a small feature on the "A - Z of Pop/Soul 
    Blondes" issue of "That Will Never Happen Again" (Diane, 
    you were our entry for the letter "R"!!) 
    I wasn't involved in the publishing or distribution, but I
    know that Mick - with a regular day job, and only a couple 
    of people to help him - found it hard to keep up a regular
    publishing schedule, and the mags went from 3 or 4 per year, 
    down to 2, then to one and eventually to an "occasional"
    basis until they faded completely, and his sleeve-note 
    writing took over.
    I do know, however, that another issue of "TWNHA" has been
    in the pipeline for a long, long time. It's going to be Vol. 
    2 of "Blondes", but when it will actually appear is 
    anybody's guess!! 
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    Subject:     Os Mutantes
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Kieron Tyler,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    There was a query about their LPs after the first one. 
    Their second (self-titled, rec. 1968) is like the first, 
    only more so, but a bit less tuneful. Recommended I think.
    Their 3rd (Divine Comedy, with the black cover, 1970) has 
    lost all the weird feel, and sounds more like a rock LP, 
    indeed a different band. Its got an almost heavy rock feel
    , tempered somewhat, but I don't like it. Stick with the 
    1st two.
    Has anyone heard any early Jorge Ben???
    All the best, Kieron
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    Subject:     Tropicalia, exotica and VDP
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Jamie LePage,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Toby wrote:
    >I heard Luaka Bop (David Byrne's label) will release
    >some kind of Mutantes compilation, is Everything Is 
    >Possible the one? 
    Yes, that's the one. Most of it is in Portuguese, but there 
    is at least one track in English.
    >...that new Ultra Lounge compilation is pretty 
    >good. I have to say, though, that their compilations in 
    >general aren't very good. They seem to focus too much 
    >intentionally on the kitchy side of Exotica/Lounge rather 
    >than treating the genre as seriously as it should be 
    I agree with you, but remember this Tiki Sampler is just 
    what it claims to be: a sampler. There are many solid CD 
    reissues that do justice to the genre. Besides, if the 
    novelty aspect loops in enough "new" fans, it will help 
    justify more exotica reissues. No market - no release.
    >...take all the marimba stuff from the 
    >Beach Boys' Smile for example..*pure Martin Denny*! And 
    >Baxter's experimentations with echo, reverb and huge 
    >orchestras certainly also foreshadowed what a certain 
    >Brian Wilson would do 10-15 years later. Baxter recorded a
    >theremin album in 1949, for Christ's sake!! :-)
    Interesting points.
    >Another thing, Jamie....when VDP performed Heroes & 
    >Villians, did he sing the released single version or did 
    >he incorporate any of the fragments/segments which were 
    >recorded but never used (i.e "part 2")?
    The version he performed live was similar to the released 
    Heroes and Villians. I really wanted to yell out "In the 
    Cantina!" but I thought that would blow my cool, and as 
    Geets always says, everyone has a limited amount of cool 
    and it's important not to blow it. Besides, VDP and co. 
    were using detailed charts on every song, so I doubt they 
    would have been able to launch into an impromptu version 
    of In the Cantina. And in retrospect, I guess it was 
    wiser not to embarrass everyone sitting at the table with
    such an outburst. So instead I yelled out "Do 'Come to the 
    Sunshine'!" (just kidding).
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    Subject:     Where the Girls Aren't...
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Brian Ferrari, BriGuyxxxxm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hello everyone!
    I've been lurking on the list for a while and finally 
    decided to jump on in:
    Jack Madani wrote (RE: Where the Girls Are CD) :
    > I have vol. 1 and was a *little* 
    >disappointed that many of the songs that I liked on the 
    >old Kent vinyl release of the same name weren't on the ACE
    >cd release--and in one case, the song Please Don't Kiss Me 
    >Again, the cd contains what is called an "underdub" 
    I'm not quite sure what the point of this "underdub" is. 
    The only good thing about it is that it gives me the 
    opportunity to sing the "Hey Hey Hey" back-ups that they 
    left off! 
    Actually, the Charmettes song is the only one on both the 
    Kent vinyl and Ace CD. They are two completely different 
    collections. There are some great songs on the vinyl that 
    will hopefully make it to CD. Bernadette Peters, circa 
    1965, doing "We'll Start the Party Again" is a standout.
    Brian Ferrari
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    Subject:     Correction...
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Meant that the "Dodge" ad (not "Nissan", they're using our
    "Feelin' Alright" hit), obviously recorded lately, was the 
    only exception I've heard to "good music" being recorded 
    currently for ads. 
    Carol Kaye
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    Subject:     Re: commercials with hits
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Big L,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    This subject came up in our club (DecalcoMania)
    newsletter. as a result, I began keeping a log of
    every spot I saw using oldies. I was surprised to
    detect that there as been a definite shift into 70s
    music as opposed to 60s. In fact, about 90% of the
    tunes were from 1970 or later.
    The thing I hate is that they usually rerecord them
    into a pathetically inferior sounding version. I
    remember a few years ago some sponsor was using "So
    Tired" by the Kinks. For awhile, the original version
    ran, then was sudddenly replaced by a version that
    sounded like the lead singer was on Valium or
    something. We Kinks fans got highly incensed.
    The point that was made in our newsletter was this:
    how much product recognition is generated by using
    oldies as opposed to original jingles? I can't name
    the sponsor currently using "You Sexy Thing" as a
    tease. But try these on for size:
    The king of beers
    No matter what shape
    Hi ho hey hey, chew your little troubles away
    If you've got the time, we've got the beer
    Things go better with...
    You'll flip at the zip
    The Uncola
    That's just a few. How many of you 35 and older knew
    most, if not all of them? 
    Here are the answers, as if you needed them.
    Budweiser; Roll-Aids; Wrigley's Spearmint gum;
    Miller; Coca-Cola; RC Cola' 7-Up
    In fact, they've brought that last one back. Remember
    the Uncola Underground?
    I doubt if anyone will remember todays oldies
    commercials even one year from now, let alone 20 or 30.
    Big L                   Check out my Radio Legends pages at:
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    Subject:     by "the original artists"
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Ron Bierma, ELRONxxxxm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >So they use well known siongers sometimes in the re-sings 
    >but seldom the original singer.
    sorry to contradict you old chap, but I've noticed just 
    the opposite recently. Stones-Start Me Up and Give Me 
    Shelter, Sly's Everyday People, Louis' What a Wonderful 
    World (what does everyone think of the upcoming Louis and 
    Kenny G duet and video of this song?-that's another topic,
    eh?), Louis Prima's Jump, Jive and Wail, I Feel Good by 
    James Brown, Express Yourself by Charles Watts 103 st band, 
    etc. This original artist trend may have been spurred by
    the Divine Miss M winning her lawsuit regarding sound-alike
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    Subject:     Commercial use of songs....
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Robert Charles-Dunne,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    There are a couple of issues that really annoy me about 
    the pop culture iconography being co-opted by commercial 
    interests. The first is context: When a Canadian bank 
    exploited a re-recording of Dylan's "Times They Are 
    A'Changing" to huck their new Internet division Mbanx, 
    fans were apoplectic. Though the song served the bank's 
    purpose of positioning itself as a radical departure from 
    the 'old' way of banking, people couldn't believe they'd 
    have the cheek to use Dylan to achieve that end. The 
    context was jarring. Whether Dylan PERSONALLY approved the
    use of the song in this fashion [as opposed to the 
    publisher, which usually controls such rights] escaped 
    scrutiny in the ensuing debate. The fact that this became 
    an issue of debate in a variety of media vehicles also 
    served the bank's interests, for it kept the name and logo
    in the spotlight.
    The second issue, and this one REALLY burns ME up, is the
    Vege-matic method employed to cull just the bits of a song 
    they want to use, and what is excised in the process. A 
    couple of blatant examples of late: Tampax is using The 
    Zombies' "Time Of The Season" as a backdrop to 
    pop-festival footage that ends with the payoff 'Tampax Was
    There,' or words to that effect. Trouble is, Tampax has 
    managed to erase a couple of lines of lyric in its hurry 
    to hit the verse and stay within the 30 second time frame.
    Same with a recent Kinks song, in which several pre-chorus 
    lines were lost, all for the sake of brevity.
    I have a sense of humour about the ways in which pop 
    culture can be exploited, and respectful use of material 
    is to be encouraged. [The Mexicali bridge of Love's "Alone
    Again Or" in a spot for - I THINK it was - Miller Beer was 
    a perfect example. Unfortunately, it only ran for a week 
    or two.] But when the ad agency brain-trusts re-arrange 
    and even slice'n'dice the songs in question, the resulting
    irritation factor for the target audience outweighs 
    whatever benefit the advertiser THINKS it may be achieving
    by using the song. 
    So, for any advertising agency types who may be 
    subscribers, a word of advice: Don't use our most 
    cherished songs in a disrespectful context, and leave the 
    continuity of the song intact. Anything less is an insult 
    to the very people you're aiming to reach. 
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    Subject:     Jingles
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        Ian Chapman,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    I'm with the "tasteful" brigade on this one! But another 
    point to remember is that these ads can bring an artist 
    back into the public eye and open up work opportunities. 
    The UK has a history of putting "oldies" performers back 
    in the charts when a reissue latches on with the public 
    through an ad. Remember the case of Andy Williams who we 
    discussed recently, over here promoting "Music To Watch 
    Girls By" after the Levis ad led to plays in clubs all 
    over the country.
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    Subject:     oldies/commercials
    Received:    06/29/99 11:36 pm
    From:        john rausch, jxxxxet
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Thanks to all who had a reply to my last topic on
    oldies/commercials.seems like the consensus is in favor for the most
    part.And Diane,that`s interesting what you mention about using the first
    8 bars=no royalties.Also I must confess that I own one of those import
    cds of all your recordings,I understand that overseas , after a certain
    time lapses, the copyright is not effective,hence so many import cds of
    very hard to find recordings(here in the states).Many sound as if they
    were taken directly from a vinyl source.If it is any consolation,the
    "best of diane renay" import cd I have is very inferior in sound
    quality.I think the original 45s in my collection sound better .
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