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Spectropop V#0281

  • From: The Spectropop Group
  • Date: 06/27/99

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       Volume #0281                           June 27, 1999   
      Intoxicating sounds of the world's most exciting music  
    Subject:     Fanzines/Hi Diane Renay
    Received:    06/27/99 10:00 pm
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Hi guys and gals!
    I just wanted to ask about some oldies fanzines that are 
    floating around. My pal Sheila B just put out a second 
    issue of Cha Cha Charming that features a lot of girl 
    groups, and J-pop, but what else is around. Does Mick 
    Patrick still publish Philately and That Will Never Happen
    again? We're they any good? He's a goldmine for facts 
    judging by the liner notes he has done, but are his 
    publications worthwhile, or just bad photocopies. And has 
    anyone ever ordered a copy of the Girl Group gazette from 
    the girl group fan club. Is that worthwhile? It seems 
    really expensive!
    Hope people have information.
    BTW, nice to see you back on the list Diane. Hope everyone
    at your place is healthy and happy!
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    Subject:     How old is pop?
    Received:    06/27/99 10:01 pm
    From:        James F.  Cassidy,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Big L wrote:
    >I think the concept of charts and hit songs really didn't
    >take off until after WWII. I know there were hits before
    >that, like Artie Shaw having a hit with "Begin The Beguine."
    You could go back much further than that, Big L. Before 
    records and radio created the idea of charts, song 
    popularity was based largely on sheet music sales, and 
    back then there were even *more* "answer songs," 
    follow-ups, etc. If you've ever looked around antique 
    shops that sell old sheet music, you'll get a real 
    education in the pop trends of the early 2Oth century, 
    including lots of Irish songs, Hawaiian songs, blues, rags, 
    etc. Pop music was *extremely* commerce-driven back then; 
    in fact, it took a long time and a lot of great work by 
    people like Gershwin, Porter, Rodgers, etc., before people
    accepted the notion that pop music could also be great art.
    The whole idea of pop music goes back at least as far as 
    Stephen Foster and the 1850s. Check out Ken Emerson's 
    excellent book "Doo-Dah!" for a contemporary pop music 
    writer's perspective on the pop music of that era 
    ("plantation songs" and love songs about dying women were 
    extremely popular!). Another great book is Ian Whitcomb's 
    (yes, *that* Ian Whitcomb!) "After the Ball," which 
    combines pop music history with the author's own 
    experiences as a rock star ("You Turn Me On"). 
    Jim Cassidy
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    Subject:     Jingle Jangle
    Received:    06/27/99 10:01 pm
    From:        john rausch, jxxxxet
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Heres a topic I would like to add to Spectropop:
    Since this list has all demographics (performers, 
    musicians, djs, collectors, fans, historians etc...), what
    are your thoughts on T.V./Radio ads using all the old hit 
    songs for their commercials? Selling everything from 
    tampons to real estate. Fast food restaurants are 
    particularly big on this. I mean who gets the profit from 
    this practice? Obviously the copyright owner, I imagine, 
    but does anyone involved with the original recording have 
    any say in this practice? Say for instance, BurgerKing 
    decides to use Navy Blue for their jingle. Diane Renay, 
    would you have any input? If you did, would you say yes/no
    ? If you had no input how would you feel hearing your song
    on TV selling a burger? Or would you like to have the honor
    of hearing that hit coming out of tv/radio speakers 
    nationwide and enjoy the recognition?
    I only use Diane for a for instance scenario. My personal 
    opinion is that I would rather remember all my favorite 
    hits of my youth the way they were intended - on the radio
    or at home in all their glory. I understand the advertising
    intent to use these songs as jingles as they have become 
    recognizable over the years and people will remember the 
    ad because they remember the tune. I`m sure for many on 
    this list, when you hear certain songs at home or on the 
    radio, it can magically transport you back to a certain 
    time of your youth with fond memories etc...I personally 
    would like to remember stacking my favorite 45s on the `ol
    automatic record changer (remember those?) and having all 
    those great hits play as a soundtrack to my youth not as 
    the latest jingle to sell me something I don`t want or 
    need. Just my humble opinion (and pet peeve) but I wonder 
    what others on this list have to say of this practice pro 
    or con. And for Carol Kaye, as you have played on so many 
    classic hits that HAVE become jingles, what are your 
    John Rausch
    Phil Spector`s Wall Of Souxxxx//
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    Subject:     Lily's
    Received:    06/27/99 10:01 pm
    From:        Dave Mirich, Dmirxxxxm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Stuart writes:
    >However, The Lily's most recent album is actually their 
    >sixth release
    Tobias, you sounded downright sure of yourself when you 
    shot off that the Lily's most recent CD was their 4th. 
    What gives? And Stuart, what do you think of the Lily's 
    latest, do you like it as much as I do? I've sure had a 
    lot of fun listening to all this "new" '60s music.
    Dave Mirich
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    Subject:     Os Mutantes
    Received:    06/27/99 10:01 pm
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jamie wrote about his wonderful night in L.A. (I'm jealous) 
    and also briefly mentioned buying a CD:
    Every once in a while, I realize while I continue 
    subscribing to Rolling Stone. This year, it was the rave 
    review for the Os Mutantes CD's (on Rhino). Without that 
    review, I probably wouldn't have picked up on these 
    records, at least until I read Spectropop.
    I just love the absolute craziness of these guys, who 
    seem capable of mixing any known style of pop music with 
    psychedelia. I've always been a sucker for ambitiously 
    overproduced records.
    Right now, I"m in lovely Lake Tahoe with my family. My 14-
    year-old nephew, who is a Dave Matthews Band and ska 
    champion and I are now having a running joke, trading off 
    leads on the Backstreet Boys' "I Like It That Way." Man, 
    that song is catchy! I don't know how Spectropoppers feel 
    about the synthetic teeny-bopper sensations of the day 
    (BB's, In-Sync, Brittney Spears, etc.). I have mixed 
    feelings about most of them but think the Backstreet Boys 
    are terrific, and enjoy the notion that the best of them 
    are being fed songs with genuine melodies and stunning 
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    Subject:     Os Mutantes/Tropicalia...& a little rant on Ultra Lounge
    Received:    06/27/99 10:01 pm
    From:        The Babushka Lady,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    Jamie LePage recommended:
    >Os Mutantes' Everything is Possible
    Is this some kind of compilation for the English speaking 
    market? For all I know, everything they released (four 
    albums between 1967 and 1972, I think) was in Portuguese. 
    I heard Luaka Bop (David Byrne's label) will release
    some kind of Mutantes compilation, is Everything Is Possible
    the one? I'd also like some opinions on Os Mutantes' 2nd 
    and 3rd albums as I haven't heard them.
    Oh, Jamie, that new Ultra Lounge compilation is pretty 
    good. I have to say, though, that their compilations in 
    general aren't very good. They seem to focus too much 
    intentionally on the kitchy side of Exotica/Lounge rather 
    than treating the genre as seriously as it should be 
    treated. I've posted about the subject before but nobody 
    answered...I still like to think that Les Baxter and 
    Martin Denny were HUGE influences on (american) 
    psychedelic music...take all the marimba stuff from the 
    Beach Boys' Smile for example..*pure Martin Denny*! And 
    Baxter's experimentations with echo, reverb and huge 
    orchestras certainly also foreshadowed what a certain 
    Brian Wilson would do 10-15 years later. Baxter recorded a
    theremin album in 1949, for Christ's sake!! :-)
    Another thing, Jamie....when VDP performed Heroes & 
    Villians, did he sing the released single version or did 
    he incorporate any of the fragments/segments which were 
    recorded but never used (i.e "part 2")?
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    Subject:     Top Ten
    Received:    06/27/99 10:01 pm
    From:        WILLIAM STOS,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    >>Please, would you be so kind and make top-10 list your 
    >>favourites songs and artist from the Sixties.
    Hmmm, well, I'll try to limit myself to ten
    10 Nothing But A Heartache by the Flirtations
    9 Unbelievable Guy by Diane Renay (Diane, this song rocks!)
    8 Ya Gotta Take A Chance by the Bonnets
    7 Knock On My Door by the Marvelettes
    6 Da Doo Ron Ron by the Crystals
    5 No Matter What Sign You Are by the Supremes
    4 I Never Dreamed by the Cookies
    3 The Thrill Is Gone by Clydie King
    2 What Am I Gonna Do With You (Hey baby) by the Chiffons
    1Home Of The Brave by Bonnie and the Treasures
    Anyone who has not heard these songs is missing something!  
    Most were not big hits, but they deserved to be!
    The Girl Group Chronicles
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    Subject:     Hal's book..
    Received:    06/27/99 10:01 pm
    From:        Carol Kaye,
    To:          Spectropop List,
    from Jack: 
    >Carol, I bow to your superior knowledge, but it *does* 
    >say in Hal's book that it was Hal<<
    Unfortunately, Hal's book is not all that perfectly 
    accurate...he's got a few in there that do belong to 
    others, like the Jan and Dean things too.....most are Earl
    Palmer. And this comes from the horses' mouth, Russ 
    Wapensky, the bible of the Musicians Contracts...Hal got a
    little careless there. 
    Carol Kaye 
    You'll want to read Russ's book of credits when it comes 
    out on Greenwood Press, the end of this year.
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