__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0276 June 18, 1999 __________________________________________________________ Apply the same care as with conventional recordsSubject: "Where the Blue of the Day......" Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com >Phil Crosby - Where The Blue Of The Night Meets the Gold >Of The Day - Reprise (probably not as old as he sounds, >but yep, it's Bing's tune, only a Jack Nitzsche-produced >stomper version with a killer sax break - has to be Steve >Douglas. Carole, I'd bet you were on this, from '63?) I must have missed this earlier quote. Yes, that does ring a bell, and of course, that has to be Steve Douglas....he was the king of what we called the "chicken sax" or rock-sax solos of the 60s era in LA recording. Plas Johnson did his share of white-rock sax solos too (and he didn't want his name on the records sometimes he said, as he is black and just didn't want to be "known" for that kind of soloing), but knowing it's Jack Nitzsche (who always hired Steve, but sometimes Plas too), I'd say it has to be Steve. If I listened more to oldies stations and caught some of these records I could tell you for sure.....but we cut them and forgot them back then. Maybe I should listen more again to these recordings so I can tell you more. Russ Wapensky's good book of credits will be out toward the end of this year (Greenwood Press) and will have the actual credits based on the Musicians Union contracts. >Or like another of my favoritest songs *ever*, Mel Carter's >Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me. We cut that with a big live band at United Recorders, Hal Blaine on drums. I remember that date very well....I loved chatting w/Mel Carter, himself a very reticent nice human being, friendly, very self-composed but very happy to have all the fine musicians to back him up. It was necessary tho' to talk to his lovely lady manager too, so she wouldn't think I was "too friendly" to Mel - I was getting some "looks" from her on the date -- (she then knew it wasn't "personal", just a professional conversation). Mel, who I loved to talk to, is a very intelligent and interesting person. Nice voice - great singing style. We did some more nice dates w/Mel, but none so memorable as "Hold Me, Thrill Me". Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: 60's TV girls & a hello to JimmyB Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: Marc Miller, marxxxxom To: spectroxxxxies.com For me, it was Julie Newmar - 1st, last and always... however, when she enlisted the help of Leslie Gore (she sang "California Nights on that episode), I nearly lost my mind. I really wish I still had the autographed pic of Julie N that I wrote away for, but my 1st girlfriend (I think we were 10 or 11) made me rip it up. Oh well... And it's great to see DJ JimmyB here!!! Marc --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Andy Ellison Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: David Bash, Bashxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com In a message dated 6/16/99 8:38:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, spectroxxxxies.com writes: > The other member of John's Children who went on to better > things was singer Andy Ellison, who reappeared in the fine > punk-era pop band The Radio Stars along with ex-Sparks (a > band that nowhere near enough people are suitably > worshipful of) bassist Martin Gordon. Their SONGS FOR > SWINGING LOVERS (the sleeve features a couple dangling > from nooses -- it was 1977, remember) on Chiswick is > good-to-great guitar pop with a handful of brilliant songs, > my personal favorite being "Macaroni and Mice." > > Stewart Hi Stewart, Andy Ellison was also the leader of the band Jet, whose self-titled LP on CBS UK from 1975 is a great, glammy, Sparks influenced disc! Now, *there's* one that should be reissued on CD! -- Spectropop Rules!!!!! Take Care, David Bash --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: John's Children Received: 06/16/99 12:02 am From: Jamie LePage, le_page_xxxxies.com To: Spectropop, spectroxxxxies.com kana haoleboy wrote: >Why do I keep thinking Marc Bolan & John's Children???? Because Marc Bolan was briefly a member of John's Children. I looked into my John's Children material after the last digest and found a few more pieces to the puzzle. The group started off in Surrey in 1964 as The Few and later The Silence. The group were renamed John's Children by Simon Napier-Bell in 1966. Again, in every account I have on the band, the story goes that Simon Napier-Bell travelled to Los Angeles and got some of California's top session musicians to record the backing track to a song he'd written, Smashed! Blocked!, then added Andy Ellison's vocal back in England. The B-side was called Strange Affair. Released on White Whale on the unlikely date of December 31, 1966, the record actually got as far as 102 on the Billboard charts. EMI refused to release the song in UK because of its drug-related title, so it was rechristened The Love I'd Thought I'd Found in the UK. To no avail, the record completely flopped in England. Their second single, "Just What You Want -- Just What You'll Get"/"But You're Mine, " did chart in Britain, but the band apparently didn't play on this one either, Napier-Bell hired sessionmen to do this, reportedly this time in England. The band played on the B-side, but Napier Bell erased the lead guitar and overdubbed Jeff Beck on it instead. He obviously didn't think much of the band's playing. Napier-Bell booted the guitarist out of the band and brought in his latest discovery Marc Bolan to replace him. The result was the brilliant Desdemona, with Marc's unmistakable backing vocals. The song has the unforgettable lyric "lift up your skirt and speak". Promptly banned again. The followup single was to be Midsummer Night's Scene. A few white labels were pressed but Track withdrew the record before it was issued. Bolan left the group at this point. This was followed by Come And Play With Me In The Garden, and although Bolan had already left the band, his Sara, Crazy Child was used for the B-side. There is a whole lot more to the John's Children story, and if anyone is interested to learn more, go to: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/3735/jc/index.html Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Bobby Rydell sings Ray Davies etc Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: Ian Chapman, iandxxxxnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Jack Madani wrote:- >>Well, Ian, for some unknown reason your mention of Steve >>Lawrence made me think of Bobby Rydell's version of Volare, >>with the yacky/waily backing girl vocals that could >>almost have been the Tammys. Hmm.....I always thought it was the girls from the Orlons behind that one (and most of Chubby Checker's stuff too). ...but whatever, I totally agree with you, I really like that record too....falls somewhere between Bobby Darin's "supper club" phase and the Philly dance stuff that was to follow soon after. >>I always liked Rydell's voice, >>and thought that it was a little unfair that he got >>tagged with that "no-talent Philly Pretty Boy" label. He did? In the USA, I presume...........he was quite popular over here in the UK at the time, even recorded here with Tony Hatch ("Forget Him"). Saw him in "Bye Bye Birdie" on TV recently.....maybe "under-nourished Philly Pretty Boy" would be nearer the mark. Anyway, I always liked his voice too, and can strongly recommend a couple of his post-Cameo Capitol 45s, from around '64: "When I See That Girl Of Mine", is a Ray Davies song, good and beaty with an echoey double-tracked vocal. Then there's "I Can't Say Goodbye", a Goffin/King number that starts with a chime-bar intro and more double-tracking, lotsa strings and heavy drums, with Jimmy Wisner behind the ork. >>Or like another of my favoritest songs *ever*, Mel >>Carter's Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me. Oh yeah, now you're talking real class!! Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: creamy purity Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: Glenn Sadin, gsaxxxxemedia.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Jack sez... >I dunno. Something about the flip hairdos, the gogo boots, >the Betty & Veronica fashions, the black stripe around the >nose of the Chevy Camaro. Robert Wagner in It Takes A >Thief. Culp & Cosby in I Spy. > >The creamy purity of the primary colors in the AIP beach >movies. > >The echo of Goldstar. > >Gawd, I miss them days. Amen, brother. Glenn gsaxxxxemedia.com glenn_marxxxxink.net Guitarist/Vocalist/Songwriter for THE BERKELEY SQUIRES: http://www.termites.com/BerkeleySquires.html Read about JAPANESE POP MUSIC from the '50s to the '90s!: http://home.earthlink.net/~glenn_mariko/nihon.htm --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Groovy! Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: Andrew Spellman, spellxxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Glenn sez... >Actually, wasn't that Michael Blodgett hosting? Yeah, Michael Blodgett hosted, along with Charlie Tuna, but I remember Robert W. Morgan as the primary host in the '68-'69 era. Being just a wee tyke at the time, I have some fuzzy memories of the Lloyd Thaxton show (also LA regional) circa 1965, diagonal camera cues and all!! Glenn, can you give us a rundown of some of the _Groovy_ guests on the videos you've acquired? spellmax --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Hall Of Fame Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: Paul Urbahns, Paulurbxxxxm To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com >Having learned of a number of names that I'd never heard >of prior to joining Spectropop, I have begun to wonder, >who would we want to put in the Spectropop Hall of Fame? The only recommendation I would make hardly comes up in conversation but his contributions to pop music is staggering. Boots Randolph (Mr. Sax Man of Nashville) Not only has he recorded over 40 albums for Monument Records but played on many of the big hits of the 60s. If it was a hit from Nashville he was probably on it. Connie Francis, Brenda Lee, Elvis Presley, Johnny Tillitson "Poetry In Motion", Roy Orbison, and tons more. He even did one cut by REO Speedwagon, "Little Queenie'. Other sax players like Jr. Walker admit they were influnced by his "yakety" style. Though recording in the Capital of Country Music, Boots normally plays country, pop and jazz in his concerts. You haven't heard anything until you hear him play a jazz arrangement of the "Flintstones" theme. Paul Urbahns paulurbxxxxm --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: One Veto for the Hall of Fame? Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: David Feldman, feldxxxxerables.com To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com Jack's list: > Please feel free to disagree with any of these names: > Phil Spector > Brian Wilson > Bacharach/David > Goffin/King > Bob Crewe > Jack Nitzsche > Jimmy Webb It just wouldn't occur to me to put Bob Crewe on a list with these other brilliant musicians. And much as I love his work, I'm not sure I'd rate Nitzsche this high. I totally agree with Jimmy Webb up there, but I know others would disagree. I don't see how anyone could argue with the first four choices. Off the top of my head, I've got several other nominations for non-performers: Luther Dixon -- woefully neglected, his work for Scepter was sensational. He didn't have as identifiable a sound as Spector, but wrote and produced wonderful song after wonderful song. Ellie Greenwich/Jeff Barry, for all their great songs. I'm also a sucker for their songs. Berry Gordy/Smokey Robinson -- for their songwriting alone, but obviously they contributed in many other ways Holland-Dozier-Holland, for obvious reasons. And lest we forget, not all the great singles/albums were the creation of music publishers hawking to record labels. There are many others, but offhand, I think of Sam Cooke, Del Shannon, and Lou Christie as early examples of how singer-songwriters need not be folky-troubadors. Like them or love them (I happen to love all three), these guys were important because they proved that you can be personal and commercial at the same time. Of course, Sam Cooke also happened to be one of the greatest singers who ever lived. Dave Feldman Star of the Week: Heather Graham Concert of the Week: Brian Wilson in NYC Scariest Cast on Television: Real World -- Hawaii Best Time Killer of the 90's: Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at "http://www.imponderables.com" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Where The Girls Are Received: 06/18/99 12:28 am From: Jack Madani, Jack_Madxxxx2.nj.us To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com spectroxxxxies.com writes: >I found a few new girl group cds that may be of interest >Where The >Girls Are vol 2. ACE I haven`t heard the WTGA cd but have >vol 1 and there should be more goodies on the next vol. >They are available at http://www.discol.com John, I checked out the site and wasn't able to locate anything on the vol. 2. I have vol. 1 and was a *little* disappointed that many of the songs that i liked on the old Kent vinyl release of the same name weren't on the ACE cd release--and in one case, the song Please Don't Kiss Me Again, the cd contains what is called an "underdub" version, which lacks the spectorian punch of the vinyl version. Any idea what's going to be contained on that volume 2 cd? I believe I also saw the WTGA cds, both vols 1 and 2, listed in the latest catalog from Midnight Records, for what that's worth. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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