=========================================================== _, __, __, _, ___ __, _, __, _, __, (_ |_) |_ / ` | |_) / \ |_) / \ |_) , ) | | \ , | | \ \ / | \ / | ~ ~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ =========================================================== Volume #0002 10/31/97 =========================================================== Subject: D. Love, Sharon Marie Sent: 10/30/97 5:48 AM Received: 10/30/97 8:08 AM From: Mike Bartolowits, mbartolowXXX@XXXXXX.com To: Spectropop, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com I was listening to Darlene's Maybe I Know this morning on my way in (thanks to Paul) thinkin', man, Darlene really put's a lot into her music. I always loved Leslie Gore's song, but I think Darlene even does a better job with it. Someone from the bb list sent me a tape with Sharon Marie's Thinkin' Bout You Baby (a diff. cover of the bb's Darlin'). Can anyone tell me who Sharon Marie is and a little about her background and music? Thanks Mike (Paul, your tape is comin' next week!) -------[ archived by Spectropop ]------- Subject: Hello, list. Sent: 10/30/97 1:43 AM Received: 10/30/97 8:08 AM From: Kit Carson, XXX@XXXXXXday.com To: Spectropop, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com Whoever recommended me to this list: thanks. Looks like it's going to be a big time. Best, Kit Carson GOLD TODAY Keeping Oldies stations sounding FRESH everyday! ----------[ archived by Spectropop ]---------- Subject: I Said Now Hey Ev'ree Bad Deeee Sent: 10/30/97 2:39 AM Received: 10/30/97 8:08 AM From: Richard Globman, rglobXXX@XXXXXXeocomm.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com Jack "I don't know my a** from second base" Madani SED: >Ya know, this list used to be a helluva lot more civil in the old days. ************************************ Yeah, so's your mother. DICKY "take THAT, buddy" G ----------[ archived by Spectropop ]---------- Subject: Influence Speculation Sent: 10/30/97 3:13 AM Received: 10/30/97 8:08 AM From: David Marsteller, davebXXX@XXXXXXlin.org To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com I've been pondering Jack's post on the influences on Brian Wilson, Leiber and Stoller, and Phil Spector. I don't have any inside information, so I'll have to speculate. ;) First, a distinction could be drawn between appreciation and emulation. I like Duke Ellington, but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to write like him. Jazz as we're defining it covers a lot of styles, from more structured 'big band' music (which I think was Brian's influence) to looser r&b combos. I think Leiber and Stoller do have a jazz influence in their work, it's just a different kind of influence. Brian Wilson picked up more on the harmonic content of jazz (which is what Jack picked noticed), while Leiber and Stoller show more influence lyrically and rhythmically. I can't really see any jazz influence on Spector, per se, except perhaps in his use of big band size forces to create his wall of sound. One additional thing to consider is what performers the various writers were writing for. At the start of Spector's career, he was writing for the Teddy Bears. From hearing a couple of their recordings, I suspect they were pretty limited in what they were able to carry off. Leiber and Stoller started writing for blues and r&b artists. I doubt that these artists would have been interested in straying too far from a traditional blues base. I suspect Brian Wilson had an advantage in that his band basically was a family unit that he could rehearse to his heart's content. I'll be interested in seeing what y'all think, maybe even in this same digest issue. Dave /************************************************************************/ /** "Reach out and grab a fistful of now" **/ /** Thornetta Davis **/ /** David Marsteller davebXXX@XXXXXXlin.org **/ /************************************************************************/ ----------[ archived by Spectropop ]---------- Subject: Phil Spector Christmas LP Sent: 10/30/97 2:39 AM Received: 10/30/97 8:08 AM From: Richard Globman, rglobXXX@XXXXXXeocomm.net To: Spectropop List, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com Just the other night, I friend requested that I make her some tapes of good Christmas music. I taped The Beach Boys, Temptations (Give Love at Christmas), and, of course the Spector LP. While I was taping...and unfortunately I only had the Spector stuff on vinyl with all the mandatory hisses and pops...I looked at it and the date was....1987. Now obviously what I have is a re-issue. This is such a wonderful album that I would love to get it on CD. I have not been able to find it. Does anyone know if it's available? DICKYG (sleigh riding with the top down) ----------[ archived by Spectropop ]---------- Subject: Re: Carole King's City Sent: 10/30/97 12:55 PM Received: 10/31/97 1:17 AM From: David Bash, bashXXX@XXXXXXt.com To: Spectropop, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com > From: David Marsteller, davebXXX@XXXXXXlin.org > A few months ago, I *finally* sprung for a bootleg copy of The City's > "Now That Everything's Been Said" lp. Does anybody have the inside scoop > on why that album has yet to be reissued? Does Carole King hate it so > much that she won't allow it, or is it something more mundane like the > masters can't be found? I don't think it's nearly that bad that Carole > won't let it be reissued; well there are a couple of songs that aren't > that great, but can any album with 'I Wasn't Born To Follow' be all that > bad? > Later > Dave Hi Dave, I'm not sure why "Now That Everything's Been Said" hasn't been reissued in the states, but I have seen a Japanese CD reissue of it floating around. I wish I remembered what label it was on, but I'll bet Jamie could shed some light on that. -- Pop Rules!!!!! Take Care, David ----------[ archived by Spectropop ]---------- Subject: Re: where's the influence? Sent: 10/31/97 2:10 AM Received: 10/31/97 2:30 AM From: Jamie LePage, le_page_XXX@XXXXXXies.com To: Spectropop, spectroXXX@XXXXXXies.com Jack Madani, Jack_MadXXX@XXXXXX2.nj.us wrote: >...one listens to the *songs* (Leiber/Stoller and Spector) >are writing, and I don't hear (the jazz influence) at all. >Why the monstrously large dichotomy? Brian Wilson has a >similar love for jazz music (Gerswhin, Four Freshmen, >Hi-Lo-type stuff), and in his music you definitely *can* >hear the influence... I think this is a pretty easy one. Brian had his immediate family as a soundboard, which meant practically nothing. Murry as a mentor was a deterrent if anything (ever hear the Help Me Rhonda vocal sessions?). *In spite of* Mike Love and Murry, Brian created some great records in those early days. The NY cats on the other hand, were striving to make hits-by-formula and feeding off each other's creativity. Leaving Leiber/Stoller aside, the Brill writers had Al Nivens and Don Kirschner to spur them on, not to mention the in-house competition they all had at the time. Sophisticated, competetive professional songwriters vying for the next cover. A very healthy atmosphere for top level tunecrafting. >But L&S were, as far as I know, writing >Hound-Dog-style I-IV-V chord progressions right up until the end of the >sixties, and Spector likewise (when he actually *wrote* music, that is, >instead of just grafting his name onto the songwriter credits, but that's >grist for another post). Do you really believe Spector made little contribution to the songs he co-wrote with Brill writers? Colonel Tom might have done that with Elvis, but I definitely hear Phil's input in the Mother Bertha songs he is credited with. LePageWeb ----------[ archived by Spectropop ]----------
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