__________________________________________________________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ S P E C T R O P O P __________ __________ __________ __________________________________________________________ Volume #0261 May 9, 1999 __________________________________________________________ The Exciting NEW Way to Enjoy the Music You WantSubject: Fifth Dimension Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: David Feldman, fexxxnderables.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com > 5th Dimension release prior to LTGT? Could someone review (in > short) the earlier Webb/Nyro-styled 5th Dimension records > and post the tracklisting of each? or at least direct me > to some websites (haven't found any 5D homepages > whatsoevever)....thanks! > I am far from a Fifth Dimension scholar. To me, there first two albums were their peak, especially the second, The Magic Garden, which like the first, was arranged and conducted by Jimmy Webb. The first, "Up Up & Away," was produced by Johnny Rivers and Marc Gordon, the second by Bones Howe. UU&A features the title song, of course, but many songs that I like much better, including a smashing version of Go Where You Wanna Go, the hilarious Learn How to Fly, a stirring rendition of Rivers's "Poor Side of Town," and perhaps my favorite song of theirs: Jimmy Webb's paranoid masterpiece, "Rosecrans Boulevard." Other tracks, many written by Webb: Another Day, Another Heartache; Which Way to Nowhere; California, My Way; Misty Roses; Never Gonna Be the Same; and Pattern People (not the Webb lyric that holds up the best). The Magic Garden is much more consistent and contains interstitial symphonic doodling by Jimmy Webb. In fact, I think everything but the cover version of "Ticket to Ride" was composed by JW: Prologue, The Magic Garden; Dreams/Pax/Nepenthe; Carpet Man (hilarious lyric); Ticket to Ride; Requiem: 820 Latham; The Girls' Song; The Worst That Could Happen; Orange Air; Paper Cup; Epilogue. You might be familiar only with the singles, but it's a remarkably engaging and accessible concept album. I was very disappointed in the "Stoned Soul Picnic" album, but that might because I'm a major Laura Nyro fan. It contains Sweet Blindness and Stoned Soul Picnic (both contained on Nyro's "Eli & the 13th Confession") and quite a few not-as-good-as-Webb songs by Jeff Commanor, and a terrific Ashford-Simpson song, "California Soul." Bones Howe came back for the "Age of Aquarius," and this time they covered several songs from Nyro's first album (Blowing Away and He's A Runner and Wedding Bell Blues) but the album has the feel of a rush job to exploit the success of the single. Jimmy Webb needs singers who will give in to the emotion and melodrama of his ballads. Billy Davis and Marilyn McCoo, like Art Garfunkel, manage to convey passion and intelligence simultaneously. The preponderance of the Webb material on the first two albums is why I'd especially recommend them. Regardless of how many miniskirts Florence LaRue wore, the Fifth Dimension were never hip, and were woefully underappreciated, IMO. They were superb vocalists, in the studio and live. Dave Feldman CD of the Week: "Utopia Parkway" (Fountains of Wayne) Hottest Group of the Month: Fresh Step Word of the Week: Filch Best Time Killer of the 90's: Filling out the UPDATED gender survey at "http://www.imponderables.com" --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Spectropop V#0260 Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Ian Chapman, iaxxxalnet.co.uk To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com Tobias wrote: >I've got a tape copy of the 2-CD compilation and an LP, >Living Together Growing Together, but I haven't been able >to track down the earlier LPs. What albums did the 5th >Dimension release prior to LTGT? Could someone review (in >short) the earlier Webb/Nyro-styled 5th Dimension records >and post the tracklisting of each? or at least direct me >to some websites (haven't found any 5D homepages >whatsoevever)....thanks! Tobias: I have three albums, "The Magic Garden", "The Fantastic Fifth Dimension", both on Liberty (Soul City in the US) and "Love's Lines, Angles and Lines", a later one on Bell. The tracks are as follows... "The Magic Garden" (1968):- Prologue; The Magic Garden; Summer's Daughter; Dreams/Pax/ Nepenthe; Carpet Man; Ticket to Ride; Requiem: 820 Latham; The Girls' Song; The Worst That Could Happen; Orange Air; Paper Cup; Epilogue. "The Fantastic Fifth Dimension" (1967/68 tracks...sleeve note by Alan Warner!):- The Magic Garden; Up Up and Away; Carpet Man; California My Way; The Worst That Could Happen; Good News; Sweet Blindness; Stoned Soul Picnic; California Soul; Go Where You Wanna Go; Ticket To Ride; Learn How To Fly. "Love's Lines, Angles and Rhymes" (early 70s): - Time and Love; Love's Lines, Angles and Rhymes; What Does It Take; Guess Who; Viva Tirado; Light Sings; The Rainmaker; He's a Runner; The Singer; Every Night. Note that even on the later Bell album, there were still a couple of Laura Nyro tracks (Time & Love", "He's A Runner") Ian --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Fifth Dimension Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Paul Urbahns, Pauluxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com Tobias wrote: > What albums did the 5th > Dimension release prior to LTGT? Could someone review (in > short) the earlier Webb/Nyro-styled 5th Dimension records > and post the tracklisting of each? >> I liked their Soul City (label) stuff best. They had at least four albums out on that label. Up Up And Away; The magic garden; and Stoned Soul Picnic plus a greatest hits set. I have the Greatest Hits album, which I think has better material than what they issued on Bell. Paper Cup, Wedding Bell Blues and The Worst That Could Happen was put on the Greatest Hits as medley (very effective); The Girl's Song, Carpet Man, Sweet Blindness, California Soul, all good commerial pop songs and most never get played on oldies radio today. Paul Urbahns pauluxxxcom --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Fifth Dimension/Chipmunks Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Jeffrey Thames, Kingoxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com In a message dated 5/6/99 5:37:01 PM Central Daylight Time, Doctor Snuggles writes: > (haven't found any 5D homepages > whatsoevever) Try this: http://members.aol.com/laruemccoo/ I sincerely wish there was more "original" Chipmunks material in print! Why no 40th anniversary box? And let's not forget Seville's flipsides...when I was kid, I must have played "Mediocre" even more frequently than "Alvin's Harmonica". Cheers, Jeff --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Speaking of the Chipmunks Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Doc Rock, docxxx.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com >From "Liberty Records:" Si Waronker: "Here is the sad part of the Chipmunks. When I quit Liberty, I wanted no part of anybody, except Ross Bagdasarian [aka David Seville]. Ross and I remained great friends. He was still at Liberty, but Liberty was going through hell at this time. They had sold the company to Avnet and lost a million bucks the first year. Ross had no contract, just our handshake. The way I had always paid him was simple. If he did not sell any records, he got nothing. The first 25,000 copies he sold of a record, he got three or four cents a record. That went up, to a dime if he sold a million. From two million he got 12%. "Well, when I left, the company was not being run right. Avnet had sold it back after a year, and Ross wanted his royalties, but he had no contract and Liberty had no money! I called Al Bennett and said, 'Al, you gotta pay this guy because he's gonna cause you trouble. Why don't you make a deal, give him back all of his catalog and what ever money you can afford to pay.' I did all of the negotiating for Ross and for Al and got him his catalog and all the rights for all his songs, 'Armen's Theme,' 'Witch Doctor,' 'Chipmunks,' everything. Ross also got all the rights to the Chipomunk trademarks, in lieu of the back royalties owed him. That is how Ross' family got the stuff that allowed them to continue on with the Chipmunks on records, tapes, CDs, TV, and videos. Now they use girls' voices for the Chipmunks instead of men, and it doesn't sound nearly as good." --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: Spector in stereo Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Frank, fxxxc.fr To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com >Derexxxdnet.att.net Derek, As a total Spector freak from way way back, I can tell you there are quite a few tracks in Stereo. As you may know the first Ronettes LP was released in Stereo, not to mention the Xmas Lp, and most of the Righteous Bros. Frank --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Ronnie Spector Received: 05/07/99 6:58 am From: john rausch,xxx.net To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com Here`s some news for Ronnie Spector fans: June 12; Ronnie Spector, Tommy James and the Shondells at Central Park and also July 21; Marianne Faithful Jonr Presenting The Fabulous Ronexxxp://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/2469/ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Re: The Case of The Missing Vocals Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: David Bash, Baxxxcom To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com james fisher, JHxxxv.net wrote: > I have a question which occured to me today while I was > listening to my local oldies station--they were playing > The Mamas and the Papas "California Dreamin" and the > vocals had somehow all but been wiped off the track, along > with some of the backing. This is not the first time I've > heard this oddity over the years and I've also noticed it > on some Lovin' Spoonful tracks. Does this have something > to do with the equipment they recorded on? I sure hope > someone else has noticed this from time to time as well... Hi Jim, Okay, this is going to sound completely hatstand if I'm wrong, but could it be that you were listening to the station while sitting next to only one of the two speakers ? I ask this because the stereo mix of "California Dreaming", which is the one that your station is likely to have been playing, is very extreme with vocals and slight instrumental backing on one side and the rest of the instruments on the other side. If you were right next to one of the speakers, it could be that you missed hearing the entire channel that has the vocals. I've definitely experienced this phenomenon with several '60s songs while listening to oldies piped through very disparately placed speakers in a restaurant or club. If that's not the explanation, than either I don't understand your question or there's something going on that I'm unaware of, because I've never heard a version of "California Dreaming" without vocals. -- Spectropop Rules!!!!! Take Care, David Bash --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Missing in California (Dreaming) Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Jamie LePage, le_pagxxxities.com To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com james fisher wrote: >...my local oldies station...was playing..."California >Dreamin" and the vocals had somehow all but been wiped >off the track, along with some of the backing. This is not >the first time I've heard this oddity over the years and >I've also noticed it on some Lovin' Spoonful tracks. Does >this have something to do with the equipment they recorded >on? Every time the old mono vs. stereo debate comes up, I quote California Dreaming as a prime example of the stereo mix being simply wrong. It is not a matter of personal preference, but rather, the mix is missing certain parts. Early Beatles LPs in stereo also have strange omissions which are clearly audible on the mono mixes (such as Lennon's "a life of ease" line from Yellow Sub). I'm not a stickler when it comes to clarity, so I personally tend to prefer the more homogenized mono mixes, although I do understand why many prefer stereo to mono given the choice. The biggest problem I have with stereo mixes is that when a stereo mix supercedes the original mono mix that, after all, was the hit version, the "wrong" mix becomes the one that everyone is familiar with. Another problem with stereo mixes of pre-'70s material is that the spread is usually far too wide to sound natural. When such mixes are played over a stereo system, you have to be perfectly situated between the speakers to hear the balance properly, otherwise, parts start to disappear. At home this is probably not a big issue, but when you are dining at a restaurant, or in any shop with music playing, chances are you are not going to be in the ideal spot to hear the stereo spread properly. In any event, it sounds to me like you heard that notorious stereo mix of California Dreaming. Mono (and Stereo) Rules!!!!! Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Burt Bacharach Articles Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Paul MacArthur, Rtxxx.edu To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com Check out the burt bacharach acticles in Houston Press: http://houstonpress.com/1998/050699/music1.html http://houstonpress.com/1998/050699/music5.html Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Subject: Gary Usher discography request Received: 05/09/99 9:51 pm From: Ron Weekes, Wexxxs.edu To: Spectropop List, spectxxxities.com I just heard from Gary Usher's biographer, Stephen McParland. His message below states he looking for some information to complete his discography for his book. If any of you have some of these items in your collection, please send me the information Stephen is requesting and I'll pass it along to him. Thanks, Ron Weekes Original Message: Just had the Usher book proofed and I've made all relevant corrections. In doing so I discovered I still need full label info - titles/writers/production/arranging/matrix #/ any Delta # for the following: JOANIE SOMMERS (Columbia 43950) It Doesn't Matter Anymore Take A Broken Heart GENE CLARK (Columbia 44088) Is Your Mine So You Say You Lost Your Baby THE BYRDS (Columbia 44990 Ballad Of Easy Rider Wasn't Born To Follow LIGHTMYTH (RCA 74-0361) Across The Universe Quest For The Golden Horde RAY PETERSON (UNI 55275) Changes Fever BRUCE JOHNSTON (Columbia 3-10568) 7" Pipeline Disney Girls THE COMMODORES (POLH-31) UNITED album - I only need to know what side (1 or 2) was "Let's Apologize" featured on. WARREN ZEVON (VIRGIN 2422) SENTIMENTAL HYGIENE album. I only need the MONTH this was released in 1987. Thanks SJ --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- End
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